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« Reply #30 on: September 14, 2009, 11:43:12 PM +0100 » |
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No Mark. Following the AI they go right down to the RH Hairpin.
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« Reply #31 on: September 15, 2009, 10:06:29 AM +0100 » |
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« Reply #32 on: September 15, 2009, 11:08:51 AM +0100 » |
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I remember to everybody that if your server is down, you can use VDA server for training if you want Tomorrow no other people will join the training race? C'mon guys Cu |
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« Reply #33 on: September 15, 2009, 07:57:12 PM +0100 » |
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No Mark. Following the AI they go right down to the RH Hairpin.
blimey thats odd, ive never seen the further corner used in any racing ive seen there on the telly. Even if you take the 1st right in game you will see it has all the 'rubber-down' racing line on it. oh well. |
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« Reply #34 on: September 15, 2009, 08:50:40 PM +0100 » |
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After unwisely following the alpine herd for the last race, I'm going to splash out some tokens on the Cobra 427. Managed a 2.31 in an offline race with about 80ltr of fuel and it's a load of fun to drive round Sebring - the last bend is a hoot  |
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« Reply #35 on: September 16, 2009, 06:19:19 PM +0100 » |
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I want to excuse with Legzy and Jpv, but I forgot that Today is the birthday of a dear friend, and I can't drive this evening... I apologize with you guys especially for the delay of mine announcement... Try to Forgive me for this time... It won't happen again! However, probably some people will be in server for some training, and if there's a minimum number of drivers you can race quietly even without me.... Sorry again guys! Cu at the next |
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« Reply #36 on: September 17, 2009, 02:15:14 PM +0100 » |
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The following cars will now cost more Tokens to drive at each race:
Chevrolet Corvette L88 Coupe = 12 13 Tokens
Lotus Elan = 12 13 Tokens
Corvette L88 Roadster = 9 11 Tokens
Corvette L72 Coupe = 8 9 Tokens
The following cars will now cost less Tokens to drive at each race:
Shelby Daytona Coupe = 13 12 Tokens
Management regrets that these changes are obviously necessary due to the current global credit crunch crisis & basic supply & demand economics. The new token charges take immediate effect, but do not impact races previously completed.
Thank you for your understanding & cooperation in these difficult times.
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« Reply #37 on: September 17, 2009, 03:12:44 PM +0100 » |
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I totally disagree with this change... No chances for stronger drivers to be competitive for a victory in any race... Why should I race agains people that can easily win due to a car that have 5-10 second of pace better than mine? It's a non sense racing for me... Changing the rules during a champ it's not good if you force the stronger drivers to lose every race... That should be good for the weakest, but you don't need training to beat me with a Ferrari 275 speciale or a Cobra 427, agains a Jag E-Lightweight.... a car that i TOTALLY dislike... At least with the previous method there was more possibility for everyone to choose some different cars, now this chance are over... why I have to race losing 4 seconds for lap... that's not racing... watching cars that pass you everywhere it's not my racing spirit... I don't want to win every race... but I want only the chance to be competitive for a victory, like all the other drivers, and at the moment I have NO CHANCES to win in any circuit, with the average tokens I can spend... I should take my L88 for other 3 races, and then give up, because I've no desire to be beated without any chances of fighting on track.
I'm sincere as ever and that's my opinion, it's not enough changing the car value, without any restriction of choice for everybody... In that way Tokens system is only a big damage for the stronger drivers, and wouldn't obtain the purpose of a different car selection on the grid...
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« Reply #38 on: September 17, 2009, 03:17:06 PM +0100 » |
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Is the sudden change due to further testing observations on the VDA server? I'm stuffed now as my average was up to just over 8 tokens per race (8.2 to be exact), I can drive my preferred car for this race but then have to take less than ideal cars for the last 4 races, I'm a bit miffed tbh.  Back to the drawing board. |
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« Reply #39 on: September 17, 2009, 03:33:17 PM +0100 » |
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The L88 roadster was a late addition to the list and didn't get tested enough. It was clearly the car to have in the first race at Daytona and is clearly again a no brainer for sebring before the change (for those on a budget anyway). The system isn't meant to work that way. Are you both suggesting we keep the values when they are clearly wrong?
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« Reply #40 on: September 17, 2009, 03:39:41 PM +0100 » |
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I totally disagree with this change... No chances for stronger drivers to be competitive for a victory in any race... Why should I race agains people that can easily win due to a car that have 5-10 second of pace better than mine? It's a non sense racing for me... Changing the rules during a champ it's not good if you force the stronger drivers to lose every race... That should be good for the weakest, but you don't need training to beat me with a Ferrari 275 speciale or a Cobra 427, agains a Jag E-Lightweight.... a car that i TOTALLY dislike... At least with the previous method there was more possibility for everyone to choose some different cars, now this chance are over... why I have to race losing 4 seconds for lap... that's not racing... watching cars that pass you everywhere it's not my racing spirit... I don't want to win every race... but I want only the chance to be competitive for a victory, like all the other drivers, and at the moment I have NO CHANCES to win in any circuit, with the average tokens I can spend... I should take my L88 for other 3 races, and then give up, because I've no desire to be beated without any chances of fighting on track.
I'm sincere as ever and that's my opinion, it's not enough changing the car value, without any restriction of choice for everybody... In that way Tokens system is only a big damage for the stronger drivers, and wouldn't obtain the purpose of a different car selection on the grid...
I think you are completely over exagerating the effect of the change. Even the slower drivers will generally have to spend more than their average to get a 427 or a 275 special. These are people who are many seconds a lap slower than you in the same car. I just don't see how you can say that you can't win races without the L88 but not have had a go at the system in the first place for forcing you into 1 car? Pretty much evry quick driver would have taken the L88 had we not changed, and this can't be right. You won't be able to win every race in the series - the spread is bound to mean that you have more chance in some than others. You should though have a chance to have a good race and over the season compete for the title. |
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« Reply #41 on: September 17, 2009, 03:42:28 PM +0100 » |
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No, I was just under the impression that you guys had finally decided on the values per car before we started. I wasn't aware of any late additions that could muck up the results as I couldn't do the first race so i didn't turn a wheel there.
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« Reply #42 on: September 17, 2009, 03:47:50 PM +0100 » |
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I agree with Manteos. Since the token system there has never been such a huge spread of laptimes. The token system kinda rapes the mod, as good cars won't get used, so why have so many cars in the mod of we'll never see them. Let's just go back to the good GTL system of limited car choices per track, that way all cars can be driven and people will fight with people who they normally fight with. How much is a victory worth if you're only winning because you're in a much better car  ? I hope the answer is nothing, as it's just too easy and can't be rewarding, can it? |
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« Reply #43 on: September 17, 2009, 03:48:56 PM +0100 » |
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This is all a bit of an experiment, and a bit of tweaking was always a possibility. It is unfortunate to do this now, but the L88 roadster was just too far out to remain where it was. Since I had not driven it I should have given it a test before finalising the values, but time was short and I assumed it was like the L77 roadster - a lot slower than the coupe. Sorry for that |
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« Reply #44 on: September 17, 2009, 03:53:51 PM +0100 » |
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I agree with Manteos. Since the token system there has never been such a huge spread of laptimes. The token system kinda rapes the mod, as good cars won't get used, so why have so many cars in the mod of we'll never see them.
Let's just go back to the good GTL system of limited car choices per track, that way all cars can be driven and people will fight with people who they normally fight with.
How much is a victory worth if you're only winning because you're in a much better car Undecided? I hope the answer is nothing, as it's just too easy and can't be rewarding, can it?
I can't agree with you. You have done 2 races, and the first you didn't make it off the grid. In the second, all the poeple who finished ahead of you would normally be miles behind you, and all the people you normally fight against were in the same car as you. The system wasn't the problem, you being too fast was!  (and the fact that ayrton dicsoed). |
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