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September 08, 2009, 09:37:43 PM +0100 - Watkins Glen (Classic) - UKGPL Season 18 (2009-2010) Novices Trophy (65)
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
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Al Heller
 Clark-Hill Racing
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 1 1:10.281
117.803mph
1 39:31.676
115.200mph
33 1:10.615
117.246mph
Dunlop  
NickyIckx
 Antipasti Racing
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 2 +0.126
117.592mph
2 +7.329
114.845mph
33 1:10.777
116.978mph
Dunlop  
bernie
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Honda RA272 F1 1965 3 +0.226
117.425mph
3 +9.658
114.733mph
33 1:10.461
117.502mph
Goodyear  
il_lupo_mannaro
 
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 4 +0.245
117.394mph
4 +17.886
114.338mph
33 1:10.384
117.631mph
Dunlop  
roguk
 Clark-Hill Racing
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 5 +0.269
117.354mph
5 +1:09.555
111.918mph
33 1:11.019
116.579mph
Dunlop  
vosblod
 Clark-Hill Racing
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 6 +0.370
117.186mph
6 +41.199
113.233mph
33 1:10.759
117.007mph
Dunlop  
Billy Nobrakes
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 7 +0.750
116.559mph
7 +1:00.753
112.323mph
33 1:11.287
116.141mph
Goodyear  
happyal
 Clark-Hill Racing
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 10 +1.051
116.067mph
8 +1L
109.019mph
32 1:11.624
115.594mph
Dunlop  
NHance
 Mountside Racing
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 11 +1.321
115.630mph
9 +2L
106.981mph
31 1:11.519
115.764mph
Dunlop  
Barry De La Rosa
 
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 12 +13.125
99.265mph
10 +6L
91.447mph
27 1:19.372
104.310mph
Disco
Dunlop  
Mark65
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 8 +0.778
116.513mph
11 +21L
113.336mph
12 1:11.334
116.064mph
Disco
Goodyear  
norbert
 Antipasti Racing
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 9 +0.874
116.356mph
12 +29L
93.107mph
4 1:13.558
112.555mph
accident
Dunlop  
6 UKGPL
 
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 13 14 DNS ---
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Dunlop  

Moderator's Report

Summary

Congratulations to Al Heller on a hard fought win. He was pushed very hard by the runner-up, Nicky Ickx. The race would probably have gone to the wire if it hadn’t been for an unfortunate warp contact at about three-quarter distance. Bernie drove a steady race, apart from a couple of excursions on the grass at the Loop, to claim the final podium place and pick up some valuable points.

There were a couple of warp incidents involving back markers. When being lapped it is generally better for the lapped driver to maintain their normal racing line, that way the overtaking car will be able to anticipate where the back marker is going. See the rules on Racing Etiquette for advice on how to allow a lapping car to pass cleanly. When lapping a car that is warping badly, it is much safer to take an inside line. The lapped driver should yield and the overtaking car will not be susceptible to warp (see the guidelines on warp incidents for an explanation).


Server replay time: 0h01m52s

Lap 1 – Big Bend - Alastair Baldwin and Norbert Stemmler

Norbert is on Bernie’s tail as they barrel round The Speed Trap and is on the right hand side of the track as they approach Big Bend. Norbert is not close enough to attack and slots in behind Bernie who follows the racing line to the apex of the corner. Alastair brakes in plenty of time but he closes rapidly on Norbert who has slowed appreciably in order to avoid any risk of contact with Bernie. Unfortunately minor rear end contact is made but it is sufficient to send both Alastair and Norbert spinning off the track.

Alastair must shoulder most of the responsibility for this incident since he was the following car. However he would not have made contact if Norbert had not slowed unexpectedly. Norbert is entitled to a free shift R but Alastair does not and he correctly does a S&G at the end of lap two.


Server replay time: 0h02m50s

Lap 2 – The Loop – Alastair Baldwin and Barry de la Rosa.

Alastair is much faster into the loop and rear–ends Barry.


Server replay time: 0h03m42s

Lap 2 – Finish Straight – Barry de la Rosa and Norbert Stemmler

Barry runs wide at the 90 degree and applies slightly too much throttle whilst partially on the grass. This sends him into a nasty slide which he corrects but not before he has collected Norbert. Both cars can continue apparently undamaged.

Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h13m23s

Lap 11 - Front Straight - RogUK

RogUK blows engine and makes a shift-R but fails to make S&G within two laps – penalty 30 seconds.


Server replay time: 0h16m59s

Lap 13 – Finish Line – N Hance65, Barry de la Rosa and Billy Nobrakes.

Billy is leading N Hance by a dozen car lengths when they catch up to Barry near the 90. Barry is a couple of laps down and tries to get out of the way but nevertheless slows Billy considerably. This gives N Hance the opportunity to catch up and he tries to pounce on the run down to the finish line by driving between Billy and Barry. As the cars funnel down to turn 1 the gap narrows and contact is made, all three cars spin out.

N Hance makes a shift-R but correctly does a S&G at the end of lap fourteen.


Server replay time: 0h28m38s

Lap 23 – Back Straight – Billy Nobrakes and Barry de la Rosa

Billy is trying to lap Barry but gets a little too close and warp contact is made.

Warp incident

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h29m34s

Lap 25 – Turn 1 - Nicky Ickx and Barry de la Rosa

Al Heller has a 3 or 4 car length lead over Nicky as they round the 90. They catch up to Barry but can’t lap him before the finish line. Al decides to tuck in behind Barry as he turns in to turn 1 but Nicky sees an opportunity to pass both of them around the outside. Nicky makes it past but he is foiled by warp contact that catapults him into the Armco. Al avoids Nicky’s spinning Cooper and tries to overtake Barry on the inside of the first part of the Esses but warp intervenes again and this time Barry is sent spinning out.

Warp incident.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h38m20s

Lap 30 - The Loop - N Hance

N Hance65 runs wide at loop and is beached on the straw bales. He makes a shift-R but fails to do a S&G within 2 laps.

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« Reply #30 on: September 10, 2009, 06:32:58 PM +0100 »

F10 view or cockpit view for sure depends on personal preference.
I definitely find it easier using chase view - always have in racing games.

Another thing I noticed watching the replay  : if you got to be lapped try to leave the ideal line `and reduce speed a little bit then  till lapping is clearly done.
I was really trying to keep out of the way but it was such a battle to keep it going in the right direction sometimes. I could have slowed down though. Duly noted...

By the way, is there some way I can watch a replay?
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« Reply #31 on: September 10, 2009, 06:37:53 PM +0100 »

also have you played many racing games/sims before ? because gpl can be very tricky for somebody not used to this type of racing .

I have race experience, starting with Chequred Flag on the Speccy (no opposition drivers!), through to Geoff Crammond's GP on amiga and PC and PGR on XBox. I really enjoyed the realism of GP, and used to compete in full seasons against a mate where we'd be beating each other's lap times by 100ths of second, so I reckon we were racing near the limits of the cars.

Out of interest, what is the difference between amateur and novice series here? I expected to be racing against people of similar ability in the novice class?

Thanks for all the support and advice people,
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« Reply #32 on: September 10, 2009, 06:48:01 PM +0100 »

Check this: http://simracing.pl/forum/f196/dublowanie-8128/. It's article about lapping. It's in polish, but with google translator you should be able to read this Wink
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« Reply #33 on: September 10, 2009, 07:34:29 PM +0100 »

By the way, is there some way I can watch a replay?

Hi Barry - yes I think server replay is available to download here http://www.jamesonline.net/ukgpl/2009.09.08_Watkins_Novs/

There are a plethora of free tools & add-ons for GPL but I'd argue that the single most useful is the GPL replay analyser which allows you (amongst many other things) to compare your laps to others & see exactly where & how you are losing time. You can grab that here http://gplra.pike.nu/  You should find me or some of the other guys lurking around on Igor in the evenings so you won't be short on advice on using GPLRA, Pribluda, setups or anything else should you need it..

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« Reply #34 on: September 10, 2009, 07:43:28 PM +0100 »

Out of interest, what is the difference between amateur and novice series here? I expected to be racing against people of similar ability in the novice class?

well the amateurs are even faster than the novices Barry .

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« Reply #35 on: September 10, 2009, 07:59:29 PM +0100 »


well the amateurs are even faster than the novices Barry .

john

But it sounds like some of the racers in this series have been racing for quite a while, and certainly not newcomers. That's not 'novice'.

BdlR
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« Reply #36 on: September 10, 2009, 08:09:25 PM +0100 »

But it sounds like some of the racers in this series have been racing for quite a while, and certainly not newcomers. That's not 'novice'.
As John says the Amateurs are even faster.
The Novices do contain the less experienced drivers like myself but there are varying degrees. If you have just started I'd expect to be trailing at the back for a while but you will improve as you practice. It's a long learning curve but worth it and I would still consider myself a 'novice' even after a year.
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« Reply #37 on: September 10, 2009, 08:28:58 PM +0100 »

But it sounds like some of the racers in this series have been racing for quite a while, and certainly not newcomers. That's not 'novice'.

The trouble is Barry, we only have enough 65 drivers for 2 grids so they are split roughly down the middle though not quite. Some Novices are in Europe and the longer races don't suit them when they finish too late, others don't like to race under Pro rules with no resets so they stay in Novices.

If we had enough drivers for 3 grids then the Novices class would be made up of the slower drivers and newcomers like yourself with the top half of the Novices grid moving up to a middle division.

Until we get those numbers you will be racing with some pretty experienced "Novices".

That is far better than having 3 half full grids but may seem more daunting at first.

Stick with it, it will be worth it.
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« Reply #38 on: September 10, 2009, 08:33:55 PM +0100 »

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P2 again  , but an speeding Bernie in my mirrors, burning one fastest race lap after the other into the asphalt. Thx god there where only 3 laps left…………..



poetry in motion  balloon balloon balloon

would have been nice to lock wheels with you nicky  Wink


BTW if Barry was using the default 65 set up he would have been hopelessly overgeared , hence the very poor lap times .

My bet is even H would be lapped N times using the default gear set .

regards using the chase view I dont know for sure but I would have thought aliens such as Barty Mee and Co. maybe used chase for hotlapping but in a race amongst other cars Huh

Who knows ?  but one thing for sure,  they wouldnt have to be watching out for being lapped , not by me anyway  Cheesy

 
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« Reply #39 on: September 10, 2009, 08:43:03 PM +0100 »

As others have said, Barry, using cockpit view often gives a better race experience. I used chase view for a while when I first started out in GPL, and I was basically told "don't do it, it's not a good way to do it for single-seater racing". Chase view also doesn't have the "look left" and "look right" motions, or a rear-view mirror, which is crucial in close racing. It took a while to adapt, but I'm much better for not doing it. I'm not knocking you starting out, but try a few laps with cockpit view and a decent setup and see how much quicker / more consistent you'd be.

Have a search for the 65s setup zip on the net, I found one and dropped it straight in my profile. There were about 12000 setups for any and every track and 65 car. From there I picked a setup suited to my driving style and learnt how to drive these things properly. If you can't find it, I'll find the one I downloaded and upload it somewhere. Smiley
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« Reply #40 on: September 10, 2009, 10:15:29 PM +0100 »

It was really an exciting race!

I started 4th on grid but I immediately won the 3rd place, behind Nicky and in front of Rog.

The first six laps we were 5 drivers really so close each other: Al and Nicky in front, I, Rog and Vlad just behind.

At lap 7 I went wide at the Loop and I braked hard until I stopped in the middle of the turn, so Rog cannot avoid me but, as his car hit mine, I was facing the racing direction and I can immediately re-start the chase on the leaders without any damage. angel

In few laps I filled the gap from Nicky and Al (on 12th lap I made the FL of the race, my first one ever and new PB! Shocked)

From lap 14 to lap 25 we were really so close!!

At the end of lap 15, after a small contact between the leaders, I found myself in the 2nd place, but it last only few hundreds meters, then Nicky jumped again in front of me.

At nearly lap 20 the latency bar was getting high, and I saw the two cars in front of me warping like mads!! It lasted nearly 10 very hard laps...  Angry

At the beginning of lap 25 Nicky lost his 2nd place because of a contact with Barry, so I took his place on chasing Al.

At the end of lap 28 I hit Barry after his car suddenly bumped on the track: I was lucky enough to be able to re-start the race but I immediately felt something wrong with the car.

I wasn't more able to keep the same laptimes as before so I first lost the 2nd place and then even the 3rd one was gone... Sad

OK, that's racing life, anyway it was really one of the best GPL experience I ever had and I can't complain with a 4th place on the season's opening race.

Grats to the podium, to everybody raced and to the staff.

Auf wiedersehen in Solitude!

Long Live GPL!
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« Reply #41 on: September 10, 2009, 10:55:21 PM +0100 »

By lap 5 we had caught Barry who seemed so busy fighting his default setup that he probably didn't realise we were there - that led to some errrm interesting moments but also bought me a little breathing space as Nicky came off worse (cheque's in the post Barry Wink).

I was using the chase view so had to rely on hearing cars coming and didn't see what was behind me until the very last second or so.

BdlR


Barry, i'd take Niki Ickx's advice and get Pribluda installed. Read the 'Read Me' file attached to it so you can get the read-outs positioned correctly on your screen.

Whether you use the chase or cockpit view, you can still see all the read outs for Pribluda. It'll show you the time difference to all the cars around you so you can work out where you are and means you don't have to rely on the your mirrors all the time.  Wink

Stick at it. In PC Gaming magazine recently, GPL was voted 5th out of the the 10 most difficult computer games ever invented. However, the article went on to say that those who mastered it could call themselves the elite in Driving Simulations.

To make you feel better.. I believe no one has ever mastered it.  Wink

Also, Check out the 'GPL Alternative Track Database'. There are links to everything you need on there.
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« Reply #42 on: September 10, 2009, 11:38:36 PM +0100 »

Sorry I'm a bit late importing the results onto the web site (had a problem with the html I had to sort out). 

You can now submit your incident reports.  For the new drivers amongst us, this is done by clicking on the link just below the race results at the top of this thread.  Please enter the replay time in the hours minutes and seconds format (e.g. 0h03m04s would be 3mins and 4 seconds) so I know exactly what incident you are describing.
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« Reply #43 on: September 11, 2009, 08:04:44 AM +0100 »

Well, I'd strongly advise against anyone new to GPL installing Pribluda. Why? Because it's so fricking distracting! I had mine removed and instantly noticed an improvement in concentration levels. Even when you think it's not influencing your driving, it does, with all those numbers entering your subconscious through peripheral vision...

Rather spend time on car setup and car handling, developing a driving style you feel comfortable with, than paying attention to stats and info...
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« Reply #44 on: September 11, 2009, 08:54:05 AM +0100 »

I'm with H on this one.  I have never used it for the simple reason that looking at the pit board is usually enough to cause me to prang it.

My brother used it when he was racing and and rather than call it Prib, as most do, he referred to it as his "CrashUtility"!

When I was first racing at also appeared that a yellow flag was an instruction to crash as well.  Embarrassed
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