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September 15, 2009, 10:09:38 PM +0100 - Watkins Glen (Classic) - UKGPL Season 18 (2009-2010) Historic Trophy (66)
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
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gerard kayou
 
Ferrari 246 F1 1966 1 1:07.761
122.219mph
1 37:49.903
120.400mph
33 1:08.167
121.491mph
Firestone  
fpolicardi
 Team7
Ferrari 246 F1 1966 3 +0.146
121.956mph
2 +9.517
119.897mph
33 1:08.203
121.427mph
Firestone  
EvilClive
 HikiWazaRacing
Brabham BT11 (BRM V8) F1 1966 9 +0.734
120.909mph
3 +20.878
119.303mph
33 1:08.375
121.122mph
Goodyear  
MikeBeattie
 Drake Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax 2.7) F1 1966 7 +0.608
121.132mph
4 +22.782
119.203mph
33 1:08.127
121.563mph
Goodyear  
Syd Drake
 Drake Racing
Ferrari 246 F1 1966 12 +1.690
119.245mph
5 +1:05.122
117.042mph
33 1:08.806
120.363mph
Firestone  
Burtoner
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Ferrari 246 F1 1966 15 +2.943
117.132mph
6 +1L
114.371mph
32 1:10.343
117.733mph
Firestone  
Viss
 Black Night Racing
Lotus 33 (BRM) F1 1966 16 +3.781
115.760mph
7 +2L
111.492mph
31 1:11.442
115.922mph
Firestone  
Turkey Machine
 Clark-Hill Racing
BRM P261 (1966) F1 1966 10 +0.829
120.742mph
8 +15L
117.439mph
18 1:08.916
120.171mph
accident
Goodyear  
FullMetalGasket
 HikiWazaRacing
Ferrari 246 F1 1966 5 +0.416
121.473mph
9 +16L
115.365mph
17 1:08.712
120.528mph
Disco
Firestone  
Dave Randall
 
Brabham BT11 (Climax 2.7) F1 1966 8 +0.713
120.947mph
10 +27L
114.405mph
6 1:08.966
120.084mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Phil Thornton
 Antipasti Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax 2.7) F1 1966 14 +1.789
119.075mph
11 +20.150
109.333mph
6 1:09.791
118.664mph
accident
Goodyear  
Clutch4
 Mountside Racing
Ferrari 246 F1 1966 13 +1.749
119.144mph
12 +28L
110.891mph
5 1:09.661
118.886mph
Disco
Firestone  
Al Heller
 Clark-Hill Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax 2.7) F1 1966 11 +0.838
120.726mph
13 +31L
101.047mph
2 1:19.317
104.413mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Ken Murray
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Brabham BT11 (Climax 2.7) F1 1966 4 +0.242
121.784mph
14 +33L
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Disco
Goodyear  
Ruud Savelkoul
 
Ferrari 246 F1 1966 6 +0.549
121.237mph
15
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Disco
Firestone  
Hristo Itchov
 HikiWazaRacing
Ferrari 246 F1 1966 2 +0.098
122.043mph
17 DNS ---
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Firestone  

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« Reply #15 on: September 15, 2009, 10:42:12 PM +0100 »

I've never got to grips with the 66's but thought this Championship would force me to practice at them.

Thought what i had was a safe set up to allow me to lap and not crash, but as soon as i switched on GPL before Qually, the car was literally all over the place.
Did you the usual thing of panicing and changing everything.. and it got worse.

Found an old basic setup that i had at the last minute and went into qualifying. Set a PB and was 8th before we swapped servers. On the other server i didn't really get into the groove and qualified lower down, but not at the back, which i expected, so was pretty happy.

Zig Zagged where possible round the pile up at the start, and started to put a few decent laps in whilst passing the odd spinner.

Attempted to make a pass on a fellow Ferrari on the back straight and 'clipped' (ploughed into) a hay bail. When the car eventually landed, i hadn't a clue where i was. Managed to get back onto the track, but GPL then black flagged me for reversing on the track. I hadn't affected anyones race to my knowledge, so carried on. However, i was being shown the Black Flag, had no info on the pit board and Pribluda was refusing to show me as i was Disqualified. As a consequence i had no idea who to let past, who to try and overtake for position..etc. Felt uncomfortable driving blind with no information and the possibility of spoiling someones race, but luckily my engine blew after two more laps giving me a more satisfactory retirement reason.

Despite the race only lasting 6 or 7 laps for me, i actually quite enjoyed it as i thought i'd struggle to get the car round, let alone maintain a pace. It actually went better than expected!  Smiley
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« Reply #16 on: September 15, 2009, 10:46:04 PM +0100 »

To whoever caused the start-line melée... THANK YOU!!!! I've not had so much fun laughing and avoiding the chaos. I ended up 4th after that and couldn't stop sniggering the first lap! After cocking up the last corner with a bad gear change, I let evilclive through, tried to follow him, and fell off of my own accord. After *possibly* lag-tapping Dave Randall at the Loop, he made his way off the grounds, and after about half-distance I had a lapse in concentration. I was rather tired, and forgot that the back straight isn't exactly straight. I didn't turn for the kink in it. Sky grass sky grass 4 wheels attached no go.
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« Reply #17 on: September 15, 2009, 10:51:59 PM +0100 »

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« Reply #18 on: September 15, 2009, 11:33:05 PM +0100 »

1st race of the season could not have started much worse.  Disappointed with qualifying time and not to make the 1:07's which I'd managed in off line practice.  Ended up about 8th on the grid so was one of the many taking part in the start line slalom, took to the grass and slewed sideways enough to lose some more places.  Regained with two Ferraris ahead which I managed to pass after a few laps, though slightly tagged one in the process at the end of the back straight, when his defensive line caught me out under braking.  Finally had a chance to settle in to my pace when a regaining Jethro come in to the equation.  Was mindful of Hristos warning of being Jethro'd  Wink but had a good battle for a few laps until we were side by side going in to the loop and his tankslapper sent me into the always-welcoming hay bales, where the Brabham sat teetering on the edge and I had to think of a plan..  The possibility of release was tantalsing enough to spend a few minutes going back and forth to free the car and tenacity evenually paid off and I was free!  laugh  Regained but the climax immediately decided it had had enough and went pop  Roll Eyes

Can only get better..
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« Reply #19 on: September 15, 2009, 11:33:27 PM +0100 »

replay of just the start: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rzavelli/stuff/gpl/66_rs_watglen_246_ukgpl_s18h_r01_2009-09-15_crash.rpy

edit: seemed like Hristo blew his engine at the start, it doesn't show untill someone else hits him, but that's lag i guess?
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« Reply #20 on: September 15, 2009, 11:38:06 PM +0100 »

Bah. Managed to avoid all the mayhem at the start (one benefit of starting so far back I guess Cheesy) but then after about 4 or 5 laps my engine started belching black smoke & that was that. Oh well - enjoyed it while it lasted & at least I managed to save my PB from the first server!
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« Reply #21 on: September 16, 2009, 12:13:19 AM +0100 »

Sorry about the server problems tonight gents.  Start of the season teething troubles.  We must have made a typo in the Boss password the first time we started UKGPL6 and we couldn't shut it down.  Don't know why the lag was bad on UKGPL4.  We used it for the Graduates Round 1 and the Interleague praccy at Zandvoort with no noticable problems. 

Anyway as far as the race went I was far enough back on the grid to avoid the start line melee but I was still thinking about the server issues about 3 laps later when I lost concentration and ploughed into the barrier at the Esses.  Race over Sad
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« Reply #22 on: September 16, 2009, 09:25:40 AM +0100 »

but had a good battle for a few laps until we were side by side going in to the loop and his tankslapper sent me into the always-welcoming hay bales, where the Brabham sat teetering on the edge and I had to think of a plan..  The possibility of release was tantalsing enough to spend a few minutes going back and forth to free the car and tenacity evenually paid off and I was free!  laugh  Regained but the climax immediately decided it had had enough and went pop  Roll Eyes

Can only get better..

Wondered who that was - couldn't for the life of me work out why someone would crash into the haybales, loose the requisit wheel, and still just sit there!  Grin


Ruud, On my replay you can clearly see Hristo's engine pop as the flag drops  Smiley
That was probably the only thing stopping me from giving Jethro an earfull - Although why he couldn't have gone to the outside I don't know  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #23 on: September 16, 2009, 09:54:23 AM +0100 »

The Fezza handles like a dream once you finally hit the sweet spot  angel
Shame they make the engines from gorgonzola  hammer

I could never set it up well. Care to share?  Grin
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« Reply #24 on: September 16, 2009, 10:50:41 AM +0100 »

Engine expired as soon as I went in 1st gear on the start.  Roll Eyes

Sorry to those behind who couldn't avoid me, I was barely rolling so I couldn't get out of the way. That Ferrari is not only a handful but unreliable too it seems.

It wasn't me! I never touched him...I was miles away and never went near his car in the pits either!! ...except when I spilt that white powder, but that was just an accident. Roll Eyes


Grats to Gerard ( where has he been hiding until now??!!) and Fulvio.

I just avoided contact with the Hairdressers Ariel Display Team at the start by standing on the brakes, only to see Jethro barrel through the only gap left and clear off up through the esses!!

I tip toed through the carnage waiting to be collected from behind and emerged unscathed and with no idea what position I was in.

After lap 1 prib updated and confirmed that I was in about 7th spot and was closing down on Jethro's BRM Shocked)

Caught and passed Jethro without too much drama and now had a fat Brabham with Mike Beattie up ahead ( the Brabham was fat, not Mike! as far as I know anyway).
Once again I found catching Mike simple enough and was surprised to be able to draft past him in my little car  Roll Eyes. But that seemed to have touched a raw nerve because Mike's pace increased and he just would not go away!!
We had a great dice for about 20 laps I think, and swapped places a couple of times, but neither of us was able to break the tow and pull away. Meanwhile Gerard and Fulvio were away in the top two spots and setting a cracking pace. Occassionaly I caught a glimpse of Fulvio but was never anywhere near getting on terms with him..much too concerned with Mike and his big Brabham!!

We were getting down to about 10 laps to go I think, and Mike had sneaked ahead of me when we came upon a Burtmobile who needed lapping, approaching Big Bend. Being a chicken at heart I dropped back an extra 50 mtrs ..just in case.. and to give me a better view and pick my passing spot.
Mike followed Burt into BB and on the exit, just when you thought everything was going to be ok they tangled and attempted to form a wall to wall road block!! I dived into the grass ditch on the outside and bounced around just about keeping the nose heading in the right direction and regained the tarmac in 4th gear doing about 5kph.
Rapid downshifts and a sluggish getaway were sure to allow Mike, who I thought had at least stayed on the grey stuff , to regain his position. But as I entered the S/F straight there was still no sight ( or sound) of Mike's Brab and prib showed that I was pulling several seconds of gap.

From then on it was a case of nursing the little 2 litre screambox to the flag in 3rd position, with Mike closing steadily, but at a rate that I figured would not be quite fast enough..provided i made no mistakes.

There were a few wobbly moments but made it to the flag just as Mike exited the final turn. Without the "incident" I have no idea how we would have resolved our dice...it could have got very tense in the final few laps.

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« Reply #25 on: September 16, 2009, 12:40:18 PM +0100 »

but had a good battle for a few laps until we were side by side going in to the loop and his tankslapper sent me into the always-welcoming hay bales, where the Brabham sat teetering on the edge and I had to think of a plan..  The possibility of release was tantalsing enough to spend a few minutes going back and forth to free the car and tenacity evenually paid off and I was free!  laugh  Regained but the climax immediately decided it had had enough and went pop  Roll Eyes

Can only get better..

Wondered who that was - couldn't for the life of me work out why someone would crash into the haybales, loose the requisit wheel, and still just sit there!  Grin


Ruud, On my replay you can clearly see Hristo's engine pop as the flag drops  Smiley
That was probably the only thing stopping me from giving Jethro an earfull - Although why he couldn't have gone to the outside I don't know  Roll Eyes
I didn't go to the outside because there were cars blocking the track and I went for a gap that was there.
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« Reply #26 on: September 16, 2009, 01:03:08 PM +0100 »

But I was there! Hit with a wet fish

Will send you the Setup tonight Hristo, if I remember  Smiley
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« Reply #27 on: September 16, 2009, 01:35:04 PM +0100 »

Nice event for me.
On the "second" qualifying, i have been towed, so i quickly did a good lap. That allowed me to do a few laps with the car tuned for the race.
For the race, i managed a good start, and i did not suffer from the mayhem. Fulvio put pressure on me, and if i remember, i had to a 1.18.1 lap on the 4th or 5th lap without draft to keep him behind.
Then he did a mistake, and lost the tow. I could then manage my advance, but i had to run on 1.18 all the time not to allow him to take my draft again. I had no choice but driving fast enough, and safe.

The fiat engine lasted hopefully, i think because i didn't make it scream due to the tall gearing i choose for the race.

I would like to thank the drivers i lapped for their fairplay letting me pass.

It is my first season at ukgpl, but i wasn't hiding before!
Last year i ran the GPL cups. A French championship (i'm French) running 100% long GPs. Too bad the challenge was so difficult, people left it and now, it doesn't exists anymore. This is how i do your championship, i find the historic champ with handicap a good idea.

So thank you for this race and see you soon!
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« Reply #28 on: September 16, 2009, 02:01:36 PM +0100 »

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« Reply #29 on: September 16, 2009, 05:41:01 PM +0100 »

I've finally finished a Championship race at The Glen  clap

In the first qually session I had opted for the BRM, but just couldn't get it handling to my liking, so when that was aborted I opted for the 2.7 Brabham, which I knew was a smoother package.

For the second race in a row, the front of the grid removed a large part of themselves in the opening lap, and I was suddenly 3rd behind the two Ferraris, with Jethro 5 secs behind. I knew I didn't have the pace to catch Fulvio and Gerard, so I settled into a comfortable pace, to try and ensure a finish.

I saw Evil was now behind and catching, and when he got the tow onto the straight, I lifted to ensure he got a clean pass. My idea being that I knew he was a safe pair of heels to follow, I was happy enough with 4th, but would tag along behind him to see if he could drag us up to the leaders.

However, it soon became apparent, that his pace and mine were reasonably similar, and he was getting a bit lurid in some of the turns. Also he wasn't closing in on Fulvio so he was failing in that part of my "deal"  Roll Eyes  So I decided it might be better being in front as opposed to behind the Accident Smiley

Hence we had a great dice, which was finally stopped when we came upon Burtoner. I thought that he might back off and let us by on the Back Straight, but he kept the shoe in and we caught him entering Big Bend. Unfortunately he got a big sideways moment on the exit and I clipped him, spinning us both. Just  as I thought I had a clear way through we touched again and I went grass tracking, losing the bucket of time to Clive. A racing incident from my view and all part of racing, so no moans here.

Had fun chasing Evil, but needed another 2 laps

Grats to the Lead Duo a great oerfirmance
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