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September 27, 2009, 08:38:32 PM +0100 - Anderstorp (GP) - UKGTR Season 10 Lower Endurance
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
JonM_uk
 Team Shark
Ferrari 430 (#70000) GT2 1 1:27.239
103.052mph
1 1:20:29.483
98.660mph
53 1:28.077
102.071mph
Michelin  
Jayblue
 
Ferrari 430 (#410052) GT2 2 +1.136
101.727mph
2 +36.673
97.916mph
53 1:28.898
101.129mph
Michelin  
Simon Gymer
 Team Shark
Porsche 997 GT3-RSR (#60000) GT2 4 +1.588
101.209mph
3 +1:20.582
97.041mph
53 1:29.428
100.529mph
Michelin  
Legzy
 Team Oldie Racing
Ferrari 430 (#110014) GT2 7 +1.993
100.750mph
4 +1L
96.395mph
52 1:29.781
100.134mph
Michelin  
Mark J
 Legends Racing
Porsche 997 GT3-RSR (#800008) GT2 6 +1.890
100.866mph
5 +0.480
96.386mph
52 1:29.690
100.236mph
Michelin  
H@L9000
 Team Pseudo Racing
BMW M3 GTR (#880052) GT2 5 +1.888
100.869mph
6 +16.235
96.074mph
52 1:30.275
99.586mph
Michelin  
Gazza49er
 Team Pseudo Racing
Ferrari 430 (#410052) GT2 8 +2.026
100.713mph
7 +27.172
95.858mph
52 1:29.702
100.222mph
Michelin  
Truetom
 Legends Racing
Porsche 997 GT3-RSR (#800008) GT2 3 +1.317
101.519mph
8 +43.249
95.543mph
52 1:29.252
100.727mph
Michelin  
spanner
 Prodigy Racing
Porsche 997 GT3-RSR (#990057) GT2 10 +2.786
99.863mph
9 +1:10.114
95.022mph
52 1:30.485
99.355mph
Michelin  
goldtop
 Kerb Crawlers
Porsche 997 GT3-RSR (#840013) GT2 11 +3.363
99.227mph
10 +3L
92.535mph
50 1:32.104
97.608mph
Michelin  
gsi bob
 
BMW M3 GTR (#4142) GT2 13 +4.394
98.110mph
11 +3.267
92.473mph
50 1:31.786
97.947mph
Michelin  
API
 Team Oldie Racing
Porsche 996 GT3 Cup (#3113) GT3 15 +5.827
96.600mph
12 +29.451
91.977mph
50 1:34.036
95.603mph
Pirelli  
picnic
 Team Shark
BMW Z3M (#3115) GT3 14 +5.526
96.913mph
13 +1:11.343
91.195mph
50 1:33.565
96.084mph
Michelin  
Blunder
 Team Oldie Racing
Panoz Esperante GTLM (#50000) GT2 12 +4.325
98.184mph
14 +4L
91.178mph
49 1:32.027
97.690mph
Michelin  
nsfast
 
Porsche 996 GT3 Cup (#4121) GT3 16 +6.034
96.385mph
15 +0.599
91.167mph
49 1:34.104
95.534mph
Pirelli  
lazlow
 Team Oldie Racing
BMW Z3M (#940014) GT3 17 +6.068
96.350mph
16 +44.530
90.346mph
49 1:33.819
95.824mph
Michelin  
Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer
 Team Shark
Nissan 350Z (#990001) GT3 18 +6.472
95.935mph
17 +5L
89.011mph
48 1:34.208
95.429mph
Dunlop  
Ted
 Team Pseudo Racing
Gillet Vertigo Streiff (#770052) GT3 19 +7.194
95.201mph
18 +32L 21 1:34.645
94.988mph
unknown
Dunlop  
Jure
 Racin24-7
BMW M3 GTR (#4142) GT2 9 +2.586
100.085mph
19 +51L 2 1:33.739
95.906mph
unknown
Michelin  
SimRacing.org.uk Lap Records
GTR2
GT2
1:27.239
103.052mph
JonM_uk
Qualifying
Ferrari 430September 27, 2009, 08:38:32 PM +0100
U10LE
GTR2
GT2
1:28.077
102.071mph
JonM_uk
Race
Ferrari 430September 27, 2009, 08:38:32 PM +0100
U10LE
GTR2
GT3
1:33.565
96.084mph
picnic
Race
BMW Z3MSeptember 27, 2009, 08:38:32 PM +0100
U10LE
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« Reply #15 on: September 21, 2009, 09:11:53 PM +0100 »

Just made a fresh install of GTR2, installed XD and a few other bits and bobs and then the car pack, skins packs and sound pack. I must say really nice job on the cars, there is a lot of choice and they all look great. With regard to car choice i was wondering - do teammates have to drive the same model or is a team made up of just the drivers in whatever cars they may choose? Also is this a two class race with two sets of results and two championships, one for GT2 and one for GT3?
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« Reply #16 on: September 21, 2009, 09:48:42 PM +0100 »

Entrants can choose whichever car they like, regardless of what car their teamies choose. Some teamies like to stick with the same cars as it can help with testing/setup. You are allowed one car change per season without penalty; If you change car again, I think you are penalised 20% of your points for that race only.

These races are dual class and have seperate championships for each class as you assumed. If you click on the series links in blue top right of this page it will show the current status and forthcoming events in that series.
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« Reply #17 on: September 21, 2009, 10:23:07 PM +0100 »

Entrants can choose whichever car they like, regardless of what car their teamies choose. Some teamies like to stick with the same cars as it can help with testing/setup. You are allowed one car change per season without penalty; If you change car again, I think you are penalised 20% of your points for that race only.

These races are dual class and have seperate championships for each class as you assumed. If you click on the series links in blue top right of this page it will show the current status and forthcoming events in that series.

Thanks for clearing that up for me, now i can get to testing a bit more to see which car i like for Anders. With so much choice i think GTR2 will be fired up quite a bit over the next few days!
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« Reply #18 on: September 21, 2009, 10:56:36 PM +0100 »

@Jayblue, welcome Cool

Well, I'll race here anyways. Tongue

IF I can get rid of that st00pid wandering 997 does on the straight. Angry  It's driving me nuts! Wanders right off the racing line during braking after the big straight. Lips Sealed  I remember some murmuring about that at the start of the season. So: what did you guys do to stop it? Sad

Lower preload, increase coast?

If still not working either try decrease front toe-in (towards positive) and/or increase rear toe-in (towards negative).

It'll increase straight line stability though ruin your turn in possibility if overdone and if the car is still bad after this I guess something is wrong in the physics file (there's already something definitely wrong cause it cooks NGT tyres Tongue and therefore has GT tyres).
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« Reply #19 on: September 21, 2009, 10:57:58 PM +0100 »

Thought it was only noticeable in the wet Huh never seen it anywhere else.
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« Reply #20 on: September 21, 2009, 11:07:55 PM +0100 »

Thought it was only noticeable in the wet Huh never seen it anywhere else.

If you meant the tyres, I'm not sure if it was in dry, wet or both (I don't driver Porkers), but the physics file states its using GT tyres (thus for both dry and wet), Dave knows the exact reason Tongue
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« Reply #21 on: September 21, 2009, 11:28:25 PM +0100 »

i fixed the wandering ages ago in the porker. Did give tt my setups so not sure why he is still struggling with it ! Roll Eyes  Perhaps your ffb is ramped up too high so exasperating the problem ?

reducing front caster helped a lot. Been a while so cannot remember what else i tweaked but was a few things. Then won at Spa  Smiley
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« Reply #22 on: September 22, 2009, 07:50:19 AM +0100 »

Lower preload, increase coast?
Preload 3, coast 60%; don't think this is the reason, works ok elsewhere. Smiley
If still not working either try decrease front toe-in (towards positive) and/or increase rear toe-in (towards negative).
It'll increase straight line stability though ruin your turn in possibility if overdone...
From http://www.ozebiz.com.au/racetech/theory/align.html
"When the wheel on one side of the car encounters a disturbance, that wheel is pulled rearward about its steering axis. This action also pulls the other wheel in the same steering direction. If it's a minor disturbance, the disturbed wheel will steer only a small amount, perhaps so that it's rolling straight ahead instead of toed-in slightly. But note that with this slight steering input, the rolling paths of the wheels still don't describe a turn. The wheels have absorbed the irregularity without significantly changing the direction of the vehicle. In this way, toe-in enhances straight-line stability.

If the car is set up with toe-out, however, the front wheels are aligned so that slight disturbances cause the wheel pair to assume rolling directions that do describe a turn. Any minute steering angle beyond the perfectly centered position will cause the inner wheel to steer in a tighter turn radius than the outer wheel. Thus, the car will always be trying to enter a turn, rather than maintaining a straight line of travel. So it's clear that toe-out encourages the initiation of a turn, while toe-in discourages it."


I use on most cars and tracks front toe -0,30 and rear +0,30. This wandering occures on 997 only. Sad  Ok, will try that as well.
...and if the car is still bad after this I guess something is wrong in the physics file (there's already something definitely wrong cause it cooks NGT tyres Tongue and therefore has GT tyres).
Well, I don't know about that. The car feels ok otherwise, it's just this wandering that's driving me nuts. Roll Eyes

Thought it was only noticeable in the wet Huh never seen it anywhere else.
Well, this was dry. In wet it must be even worse. Sad

i fixed the wandering ages ago in the porker. Did give tt my setups so not sure why he is still struggling with it ! Roll Eyes
I remember you and JPS talk about it on the forum, was reading it but I can't discern which of your setups actually worked this thing out. I was preocupied with the beautiful-no flaws-F430. Wink  Besides, I'd like to know what it is, so I can take it into consideration for future problems on other cars. Smiley
Perhaps your ffb is ramped up too high so exasperating the problem ?
I have it on 50%, so I don't think so. Smiley
reducing front caster helped a lot.
Again, from http://www.ozebiz.com.au/racetech/theory/align.html

"Positive caster tends to straighten the wheel when the vehicle is traveling forward, and thus is used to enhance straight-line stability."

I usually drive with high-ish caster (above 4) and it works well elsewhere. It might be a thing to try, though the theory states differently. Undecided

Been a while so cannot remember what else i tweaked but was a few things. Then won at Spa  Smiley
Congrats again, MJ. Cool I remember that and also that you fixed the wandering which made me feel ok as I was confident you can help me with it if I have the same problem. Then you forgot. Cheesy

Anyways, I have to make some more laps to try new ideas from here. Smiley

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« Reply #23 on: September 22, 2009, 08:41:20 AM +0100 »

This wandering occures on 997 only. Sad

You say that, but when I went back and tried the various 996s, it was there too, just not as pronounced. Once I knew what I was feeling for it was quite obvious.
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« Reply #24 on: September 22, 2009, 10:31:48 AM +0100 »

Lower preload, increase coast?
Preload 3, coast 60%; don't think this is the reason, works ok elsewhere. Smiley
If still not working either try decrease front toe-in (towards positive) and/or increase rear toe-in (towards negative).
It'll increase straight line stability though ruin your turn in possibility if overdone...
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I use on most cars and tracks front toe -0,30 and rear +0,30. This wandering occures on 997 only. Sad  Ok, will try that as well.
...and if the car is still bad after this I guess something is wrong in the physics file (there's already something definitely wrong cause it cooks NGT tyres Tongue and therefore has GT tyres).
Well, I don't know about that. The car feels ok otherwise, it's just this wandering that's driving me nuts. Roll Eyes

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Try preload on 1 (higher number make your car more responsive while transitioning from braking/accelerating, but can also upset your car)
Coast is insanely high, but seems like a fine number trying to cancel out the wandering.

I mostly have the rear toe-in on +0,10 and only increase the front -0,10 when I wont a more chuck-in corner response. Would just try those on stock value Smiley

Do the suspension and camber/caster settings all have the same values on both sides left and right of the car?
Perhaps suspension or ARB too stiff so that 1 wheel or more wheels lose contact under a bit bumpy braking.
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« Reply #25 on: September 22, 2009, 10:53:22 AM +0100 »

Hi everyone i'm Jayblue's dad. I also raced at the league that eventually had not enough racers to continue but my son told me about here so i thought i'd join in. I have raced with Nsfast many times, quite often we are racing close together. Looking forward to seeing you all on track on Sunday.
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« Reply #26 on: September 22, 2009, 11:03:44 AM +0100 »

Hiya Bob. Welcome. Smiley

@Jimmie:
I have generaly simetrical settings, only occasionaly I do it differently on a track where I know what I'm doing and why (wife drops on the floor laughing Tongue ). Will try with lower preload and lower rear spring values. I have arbs quite low here as it brought better results. Wandering was the same with stiffer or softer arbs anyway.

@Dave:
Since implementing 2006 mod I rarely had any porker business, so I wouldn't know. MJ and JPS drive them so car variety is mostly on me. Tongue 

Itching fingers and err, seat - wanna try all this NOW! Cheesy
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« Reply #27 on: September 22, 2009, 11:52:11 AM +0100 »



I'll take that as a complement  Wink I bet iR will never get round to mapping a track like this though. Think it stems from this event https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=514#event33 , looking at some of the "legends" (Jon must have been in nappies at that stage  Smiley) there that is still my best ever result if I'm honest. Sadly I peaked 4 years ago  Smiley



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Quite like anders though I don't think I've ever got to grips with it fully, some of the bends here are great. The one's with the banking...A real late brakers paradise Cool So much time to be had if you go in fully committed, and so much time in the kitty litter if you get it wrong Wink Should be able to make this one. Dunno if I'm gonna stick with the F430 yet Undecided
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« Reply #28 on: September 22, 2009, 11:57:09 AM +0100 »

Hi Bob, look forward to seeing you on track.
FYI, I'm trying to start a new tradition, where all newcomers let me finish in front of them for at least one race... so bear that in mind on Sunday please  Wink Wink Wink
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« Reply #29 on: September 22, 2009, 12:04:00 PM +0100 »

Hello and welcome to BlueJay and gsi bob Smiley Goodluck in your first races here Cool
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