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October 20, 2009, 08:43:34 PM +0100 - Watkins Glen (GP 1975-81) - UKPnG Version 2 Season 1 Clubmans Tokens
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
goldtop
 Kerb Crawlers
Ford GT40 Gulf (#69006) P&G Group 6 O2L 5 +1.322
99.813mph
1 39:57.548
97.148mph
19 2:03.342
99.388mph
Firestone  
Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer
 Team Shark
Porsche 911 RSR 3.0 (#76049) P&G Special 7 +1.338
99.800mph
2 +0.652
97.121mph
19 2:02.928
99.723mph
Dunlop  
Tibernius
 Prodigy Racing
Porsche 906/8 (#66005) P&G Group 6 O2L 3 +0.510
100.478mph
3 +12.067
96.661mph
19 2:02.757
99.862mph
Dunlop  
lazlow
 Team Oldie Racing
Porsche 906 (#66060) P&G Group 6 U2L 8 +1.515
99.657mph
4 +13.217
96.615mph
19 2:03.260
99.455mph
Dunlop  
pribeiro
 Prodigy Racing
Ford GT40 Mk.2 (#66007) P&G Group 6 O2L 9 +1.578
99.606mph
5 +36.848
95.677mph
19 2:04.475
98.484mph
Goodyear  
Mark J
 Legends Racing
Porsche 911 RSR 3.0 (#76074) P&G Special 16 +2.674
98.727mph
6 +40.289
95.542mph
19 2:04.049
98.822mph
Dunlop  
Legzy
 Team Oldie Racing
Porsche 906 (#66060) P&G Group 6 U2L 2 +0.302
100.649mph
7 +56.789
94.900mph
19 2:02.954
99.702mph
Dunlop  
Blunder
 Team Oldie Racing
Porsche 906 (#66017) P&G Group 6 U2L 12 +1.804
99.423mph
8 +56.903
94.896mph
19 2:04.375
98.563mph
Goodyear  
API
 Team Oldie Racing
Shelby Cobra 427 (#65088) P&G Group 4 O2L 20 +3.951
97.722mph
9 +1:13.559
94.256mph
19 2:05.893
97.375mph
Goodyear  
lelero
 Virtual Drivers Alliance
Chevrolet Corvette C2 coupe (#66006) P&G Group 3 O2L 18 +3.455
98.109mph
10 +1:15.588
94.179mph
19 2:06.272
97.082mph
Firestone  
Paul968
 Kerb Crawlers
Shelby Cobra 427 (#65009) P&G Group 4 O2L 15 +2.455
98.901mph
11 +1:16.736
94.135mph
19 2:04.705
98.302mph
Goodyear  
Andy Charman
 
Porsche 906 (#66031) P&G Group 6 U2L 14 +2.305
99.021mph
12 +1:27.575
93.724mph
19 2:04.377
98.561mph
Dunlop  
Tim Robey
 Gentlemen Drivers Club
Porsche 906/8 (#66224) P&G Group 6 O2L 17 +2.996
98.471mph
13 +1:33.729
93.493mph
19 2:06.005
97.288mph
Dunlop  
(VDA)KING
 Virtual Drivers Alliance
Porsche 911 RSR IROC (#7408) P&G Special 22 +8.221
94.505mph
14 +1L
90.339mph
18 2:08.321
95.532mph
Goodyear  
PippoPelo
 Virtual Drivers Alliance
Porsche 914/6 GT (#71005) P&G Special 24 +21.085
85.978mph
15 +0.601
90.317mph
18 2:10.276
94.098mph
Firestone  
Bully
 Crash 'N' Burn Racing
Porsche 906 (#66031) P&G Group 6 U2L 23 +9.716
93.428mph
16 +5L 14 2:09.124
94.938mph
fuel
Dunlop  
Geoffers
 Kerb Crawlers
Porsche 906 (#66058) P&G Group 6 U2L 13 +2.145
99.149mph
17 +7L 12 2:05.357
97.791mph
suspension
Dunlop  
Madd-RIP
 Team RVS
Shelby Cobra 427 (#65236) P&G Group 4 O2L 21 +4.200
97.528mph
18 +12L 7 2:06.354
97.019mph
unknown
Goodyear  
Ade
 Kerb Crawlers
Porsche 911 RSR 3.0 (#75055) P&G Special 4 +0.772
100.262mph
19 +14L 5 2:03.616
99.168mph
unknown
Dunlop  
Oilseal
 Team Oldie Racing
Porsche 906/8 (#66005) P&G Group 6 O2L 19 +3.496
98.077mph
20 +15L 4 2:08.146
95.663mph
unknown
Dunlop  
spanner
 Prodigy Racing
Porsche 906 (#66049) P&G Group 6 U2L 6 +1.337
99.801mph
21 +16L 3 2:03.833
98.994mph
unknown
Dunlop  
phspok
 Team Pseudo Racing
Porsche 906 (#66049) P&G Group 6 U2L 10 +1.667
99.534mph
22 3 2:07.252
96.335mph
suspension
Dunlop  
Wiltshire Tony
 Prodigy Racing
Porsche 906/8 (#66224) P&G Group 6 O2L 11 +1.749
99.468mph
23 3 2:04.716
98.294mph
suspension
Dunlop  
jpv
 Kerb Crawlers
Ford GT40 Gulf (#69007) P&G Group 6 O2L 1 2:01.495
100.899mph
24 +17L 2 2:15.358
90.566mph
suspension
Firestone  

Moderator's Report

Drivers who overspent their seasons Token Allocation


Server replay time: 585s

Tim Robey is recovering from a separate incident when he is challenged by two cars as a result of his loss of speed. One driver passes then the other driver, [VDA] King, lines up for a pass on Tim taking the inside line in a braking zone. Once in the braking zone, Tim, who is on the outside line, moves toward the inside line a little just as King gets close to Tim. This happens before either car is in position to start turning in for the corner. This catches King off guard. King has to take avoiding action and is unable to take the corner and leave enough room for Tim. They have side by side contact on the corner and Tim is knocked off track and looses a great deal of time.

Tim’s move toward the inside line from the outside in the braking zone does seem very aggressive. Tim’s car moves from the inside line to the outside line by a distance that is about equal to the width of his car. Tim’s side ways movement is the cause of this incident. Tim did loose out very badly in the race from this incident and it was not reported by the victim. As a result of this Tim Robey will have no penalty.

King was not at fault here. He did about all that he could to prevent a more serious incident than the one that occurred. Hence no penalty will be issued to King.

  • Tim Robeyadvice — No drastic sideways movements in braking zones
    For advice only - unreported by victim, so penalty disregarded

SimRacing.org.uk Lap Records
GTR2
P&G Group 4 O2L
2:03.950
98.901mph
Paul968
Qualifying
Shelby Cobra 427October 20, 2009, 08:43:34 PM +0100
P1T
GTR2
P&G Group 4 O2L
2:04.705
98.302mph
Paul968
Race
Shelby Cobra 427October 20, 2009, 08:43:34 PM +0100
P1T
GTR2
P&G Group 6 U2L
2:01.797
100.649mph
Legzy
Qualifying
Porsche 906October 20, 2009, 08:43:34 PM +0100
P1T
GTR2
P&G Group 6 U2L
2:02.954
99.702mph
Legzy
Race
Porsche 906October 20, 2009, 08:43:34 PM +0100
P1T
GTR2
P&G Group 6 O2L
2:01.495
100.899mph
jpv
Qualifying
Ford GT40 GulfOctober 20, 2009, 08:43:34 PM +0100
P1T
GTR2
P&G Group 6 O2L
2:02.757
99.862mph
Tibernius
Race
Porsche 906/8October 20, 2009, 08:43:34 PM +0100
P1T
GTR2
P&G Special
2:02.267
100.262mph
Ade
Qualifying
Porsche 911 RSR 3.0October 20, 2009, 08:43:34 PM +0100
P1T
GTR2
P&G Special
2:02.928
99.723mph
Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer
Race
Porsche 911 RSR 3.0October 20, 2009, 08:43:34 PM +0100
P1T
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« on: September 25, 2009, 03:10:46 PM +0100 »

Special Starting Procedure for this race

Due to the chicane (at about T3) being "quite tricky" for the tanks particularly, we have decided that we need to enforce a rolling start for this event.

Therefore:
The driver in Pole Position will lead off the rest of the grid at no faster then 80kph (50mph) till he is past the chicane. All other cars shall follow in single file with zero overtaking. Once you get past the chicane you can proceed to race as normal.


If you have any questions on this, please ask before you get to the event Smiley




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Practice 1: 20:00 (20 mins)
Qual 2: 20:20 (20 mins)
Race: 20:40 (19 laps (about 40mins)) note: no warmup!


Cars allowed: Porsche 906/8, GT40 Gulf, Porsche 911 RSR 3L, Porsche 906/6, GT40 mk II, GT40 mk I, Porsche 911 IROC, Porsche 914/6, Shelby Cobra 427 Roadster, Ferrari 275 GTB Speciale, Chevrolet Corvette L88 Coupe, Lotus Elan, Shelby Daytona Coupe


Weather: Dry
Track: Watkins Glen (download from HERE)
Time of Day Setting: 10:00
Start: STANDING Special Starting Procedure (See Above)

Minimum Pit-stops: None required.


Server: [PnG2.1] UKPnG S1
Password: see above

Notes:
(1) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(2) Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.uk Rules especially the rules about in-game chat messages.
(3) You will need to install Power and Glory v2 from here, 2.1 patch from here and enable terrain patch.
(4) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page
(5) Drivers are reminded that they must select ISDN as their bandwidth, otherwise the stability of every-one's connection will be reduced.
(6) Remember that P&G has no 'Pit Speed Limiter' function, but our gentleman's agreement is that everyone will stick to a speed limit for the pit-lane of 40mph/60kph.
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« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2009, 03:12:53 PM +0100 »

NOTE: Only cars of token values between 12 & 20 tokens will be used at this event.


Clubmans & Tokens quick guide (see bottom for full details)
  • All drivers get a Tokens budget for the season
  • The faster the driver, the less Tokens they get
  • The better the car, the higher it's Tokens cost is to use in a race
  • If you do not attend the race, you will lose a predetermined individual quantity of your Tokens (equal to races "Suggested Token Spend")
  • Trust me, you do not want to run out of Tokens before the final race! death


Tokens
20
19
18
17
16
15
14
13
12
11
10
9
8
7
6
5
4
3
2
1
0
Cars Available
Porsche 906/8
GT40 Gulf
Porsche 911 RSR 3L
Porsche 906/6, GT40 mk II
GT40 mk I, Porsche 911 IROC
Porsche 914/6, Shelby Cobra 427 Roadster
Ferrari 275 GTB Speciale
Chevrolet Corvette L88 Coupe, Lotus Elan
Shelby Daytona Coupe
Shelby Cobra 289 Coupe (Willment), Corvette L88 Roadster
Shelby Cobra 289 Coupe (not Willment), Shelby GT-350R CASC
Shelby Cobra 289 Roadster, Ferrari 275 GTB/C, E Type Jag Lightweight, Corvette L72 Coupe
Shelby GT350 SCCA, Falcon Weslakeheads, Mustang ATCC, Alfa Volumetrico
E Type Jag Coupe, E Type Jag Roadster
Ford Mustang Trans Am, Ford Falcon Mann, Chevrolet z06 Coupe
Ferrari 250 C, Mustang NTK, Alpine 1300
Alfa Romeo GTA
Corvette L76 Roadster, Lotus Cortina Works
Abarth 1000TC Gr5, TR4
Lotus Elite, Ferrari 250 B, Mini Cooper 1275s
Healey mk 2



Driver
Name

Ruskus
Ayrton4_94
Paul968
Manteos
Pippomox
Lelero
Madd-RIP
Jos Verstappen
Jose Arrogantio
Pepz
Ade
API
Minholos
PR
TrueTom
IvAIAx
Purdie
Simon Gymer
Blunder
King
icarus17
Mr_Oily
PhSpok
Psuedo
Lazlow
MJ
SamB
Mike Cook
Andy Charman
Dave Gymer
Legzy
Spanner
Tim Robey
JPV
Geoffers
Mcfids
Tibernius
Ross
Picnic
57Goldtop
Dave Shep
BillThomas
Wiltshire Tony
OilSeal
LigelC
Lars Sch
Jimmer
Minton
Burtoner

Tokens
(for season)

46
46
49
49
49
53
53
56
56
60
60
60
60
63
63
63
67
67
67
67
67
70
70
70
70
70
74
74
77
77
77
77
81
81
81
81
84
84
84
88
88
91
91
95
95
95
95
53?
70?
Tokens
Remaining

20 +4
17 +4
21 +4
20 +4
20 +4
20 +4
22 +4
25 +4
31 +4
20 +4
34 +4
26 +4
20 +4
33 +4
20 +4
30 +4
18 +4
23 +4
28 +4
21 +4
32 +4
28 +4
30 +4
28 +4
28 +4
30 +4
23 +4
29 +4
39 +4
21 +4
31 +4
29 +4
36 +4
38 +4
30 +4
33 +4
40 +4
34 +4
34 +4
42 +4
35 +4
38 +4
45 +4
38 +4
38 +4
38 +4
38 +4
? +4
? +4
Tokens
Forecast**

4
1
3
2
2
0
3
4
10
-3
11
3
-3
9
-4
6
-8
-3
2
-4
6
1
3
1
1
3
-6
1
9
-9
1
-1
4
7
-1
1
7
1
1
7
1
2
9
1
1
1
1
?
?

Suggested Token Spend
for this Race *

13
13
13
13
13
14
14
14
14
15
15
15
15
15
15
15
16
16
16
16
16
16
16
16
16
16
17
17
17
17
17
17
18
18
18
18
18
18
18
19
19
19
19
20
20
20
20
?
?



(Clubmans & Tokens Full Details guide to follow)


* = This is also the amount of Tokens you will lose if you miss the race
** = Tokens forecast is taking account of the "+4 Tokens Bonus" & your per race "Suggested Token Spend".
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« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2009, 03:57:30 PM +0100 »

EXTRA INFO:(Repeated) I'm sure you've noticed I've made a bit of a tweak to the system. I've done this because I want to encourage people to take the chance to drive the different levels of fantastic cars that PnG has to offer.

I could be wrong, but it seemed like we were all almost afraid to splash out on anything more lavish then an Elan (13 tokens)!!! For some of the faster guys it's very hard to splash out as they obviously have smaller budgets, while maybe some of the guys with bigger budgets didn't want to splash out & find themselves up front on their own Undecided. So I have worked out some affordable 'token ranges' for each of the final four races of this test/fun season:

Race 4) Edmonton     = 7 to 16 Token cars
Race 5) Watkins Glen = 12 to 20 Token cars
Race 6) Mid-America = 0 to 9 Token cars
Race 7) Riverside       = 3 to 12 Token cars

Some drivers may immediately be concerned that they "can't afford a car for the Watkins tokens range"... don't worry, you can yes.
To go with the 'token ranges', I have also worked out a "Suggested Token Spend" for each person, for each race. You don't have to stick to your "Suggested Token Spend", but if you're close to it, you should be about on pace with most other people (= improved close racing) & finish the season on budget Wink.

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p.s. Please remember that you get nothing for finishing the season with tokens to spare, but you will suffer badly if you spend more then your budget  gun_bandana Wink
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« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2009, 07:13:28 PM +0100 »

Woohooo   Daylight


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« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2009, 01:31:21 AM +0100 »

Hi, Legzy!  Smiley

As you...and WT...are aware, I've entered the year-end Xmas Festival LeMans affair in PnG.  I've yet to run with the UK group owing to the time difference to me here in Canada.

Is the UK PnG server available at times other than the posted races such that I can get in and confirm that I'm properly config'd?  As in Terrain Patch, ISDN, etc...  I think it essential that I do this prior to the Xmas go.

TY.

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« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2009, 11:16:15 AM +0100 »

Is the UK PnG server available at times other than the posted races such that I can get in and confirm that I'm properly config'd?  As in Terrain Patch, ISDN, etc...  I think it essential that I do this prior to the Xmas go.
Hi Doni, yes it's always up as long as there is no other GTL/GTR2 race on.
To connect at the moment, you would obviously also need the current track (Edmonton) which you can download from the 1st post on this thread  Smiley
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« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2009, 09:50:05 PM +0100 »

3 to 12 tokens at the riverside?...bah, that would mean no IROCs and thats where they used to race in the IROC series !  Tongue

I will be away for the Mid-America event so i might just squeeze enough tokens out for IROC at Riverside.

Hmm, Watkins...IROC or RSR could be lots of fun, but then all those cars in the top half of list are pretty damn cool at a track like this. Cool

ps has anyone tried skinning any P&G cars yet? Would love an IROC done in the colour scheme of my own 911 if a paint wallah has some spare time?  Smiley The white one would be almost perfect, just needs the side graphics made red and the Fuchs alloys red too  Cool
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« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2009, 01:37:05 PM +0100 »

Tokens Remaining, your Tokens Forecast & your Suggested Token Spend have all now been updated ready for Watkins Glen.

While Purdie, Dave & Sam all continue to be the leading shopaholics (they will pay the price in the end) Wink
Ade, Jose, Tony & Andy all continue being the biggest Token hoarders... anticipate them spending more then their suggested tokens in the races to come Shocked
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« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2009, 06:26:20 PM +0100 »

DAM RIGHT

It's shopping time  drool
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« Reply #9 on: October 09, 2009, 08:32:16 PM +0100 »

hmm, thats not the Watkins Glen i was expecting  Huh Did we used to use a GP layout when we raced here in GTL ? There used to be a couple of good chicane/corner complexes that made the lap interesting/challenging.
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« Reply #10 on: October 09, 2009, 08:48:18 PM +0100 »

It' s the '79 Layout Mark... It's a little bit different from the modern Watkins... but it's not so bad Smiley, only a bit more dangerous because of the proximity to the guard rail Smiley
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« Reply #11 on: October 10, 2009, 05:06:10 PM +0100 »

I am a tad bit confussed regarding the messages about the track we should be using.

The introduction post clearly states Watkins Glen (Long) which I have and is a great circuit.  But when I downloaded the circuit it is Watkins Glen 1979, which has the stupid chicane at turn 2 in it.  This ruins what in most versions including the original GPL version was a great corner demanding ones best to get it right.

The 'LONG' version has a chicane but its toward the end of the straight following Turn2.

I have just been on-line and there it was the 79 version that was running.

So is it the 'long' or the '79' version we will be using on the 20th.

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« Reply #12 on: October 10, 2009, 06:16:55 PM +0100 »

The introduction post clearly states Watkins Glen (Long) which I have and is a great circuit.  But when I downloaded the circuit it is Watkins Glen 1979, which has the stupid chicane at turn 2 in it.

There's only one track in the download so there's not much scope for confusion. Tongue Well, unless you count the fact that it's yet another track with a "cute" route out of the paddock which you can't find without a native guide. Roll Eyes

It's going to take me a bit of time to get used to that chicane on the way into the Esses though! Shocked I foresee the odd accident there... laugh
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« Reply #13 on: October 11, 2009, 04:26:05 PM +0100 »

just tried out the 906/8 and the GT40 Mk1 around here, both feel superb Cool but two very different drives. I think you may want to drop the 906/8 off the list as its going to kill any other cars around here. I was 6 seconds a lap faster in it over the GT. Shocked Admittedly i havent got a lot of laptime in the GT but try them both out and see for yourself. The 8 is just too good.

What a sound that 906/8 makes  Cool makes you want to race a series using them only at some fast tracks (idea for the future?), its like a GP car from the 60's/70's.

Two areas of concern on the track that people may want to be very wary of. 1) the first chicane at the hilltop left...if you hit the right hand kerb it will flip you over at worst or chuck you hard into the armco at the lightest ! So stay as central between kerbs as possible or use a bit of the left side kerb but even that un-settles the car badly if you try taking it with too much speed. Dampers may solve that.
2) the very last righthander before the s/f straight:- the racing line entices you into the right side of track that is seriously off camber. If you use it, the track tends to throw you right into the pitlane entrance/armco. After several buggered laps on the last corner, i started to stay wide left of it and power up the s/f straight instead.

Still learning this track as dont remember any of this layout and every corner has its own varying lines to get right and its a long lap, over 2minutes.

I wonder if its worth people starting to state what car they intend/likely to take in good enough time before race night? That way we can hopefully get good groups of like-specced cars to race against. I'm still trying out a variety at present whilst also learning the lap.

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« Reply #14 on: October 11, 2009, 04:58:13 PM +0100 »

By coincidence I've had an hour or so here this afternoon on what is also a new track for me. I took the Gulf out first and the 906/8 last with a few others in between and found the Gulf to be at least 4 secs a lap quicker than the porka. Haven't tried the MK1 Gulf which I know is much more of a handful, but then again I don't need to with my token budget Wink
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