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November 08, 2009, 09:39:33 PM +0000 - Donington Park (National) - UKGPL Season 18 (2009-2010) Inter-League Series
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Chris Darkes
 oAo
Honda RA300 F1 1967 4 +0.950
101.186mph
1 53:21.186
99.000mph
45 1:09.923
100.720mph
Firestone  
MikeBeattie
 UKGPL
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 6 +1.074
101.006mph
2 +13.794
98.575mph
45 1:10.124
100.431mph
Firestone  
FullMetalGasket
 UKGPL
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 8 +1.535
100.342mph
3 +26.617
98.184mph
45 1:10.023
100.576mph
Firestone  
Michi Kovacs
 oAo
Eagle T1G (Weslake 1967) F1 1967 10 +2.184
99.423mph
4 +1:07.305
96.962mph
45 1:10.917
99.308mph
Goodyear  
Scott Nowak67
 oAo
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 9 +1.891
99.836mph
5 +1L
96.191mph
44 1:10.841
99.414mph
Firestone  
bo bruce
 oAo
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 12 +2.824
98.533mph
6 +1.500
96.146mph
44 1:11.728
98.185mph
Goodyear  
Doni Yourth
 UKGPL
BRM P115 F1 1967 15 +3.482
97.634mph
7 +6.147
96.008mph
44 1:10.809
99.459mph
Goodyear  
Burt August66
 oAo
BRM P115 F1 1967 13 +3.330
97.840mph
8 +2L
93.877mph
43 1:12.726
96.838mph
Goodyear  
b_1_rd
 UKGPL
BRM P115 F1 1967 17 +4.809
95.870mph
9 +29.512
93.026mph
43 1:12.379
97.302mph
Goodyear  
Drew Lidkea
 oAo
Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 2 +0.158
102.350mph
10 +5L
99.209mph
40 1:09.807
100.887mph
accident
Firestone  
Roy van Drunen
 oAo
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 1 1:08.651
102.586mph
11 +11L
99.804mph
34 1:09.459
101.392mph
Disco
Firestone  
EvilClive
 UKGPL
Eagle T1G (Weslake 1967) F1 1967 5 +1.049
101.042mph
12 +16L
98.752mph
29 1:09.641
101.127mph
Disco
Goodyear  
john roberts
 UKGPL
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 14 +3.482
97.634mph
13 +17L
95.325mph
28 1:12.127
97.642mph
accident
Firestone  
Spiny Norman
 oAo
BRM P115 F1 1967 16 +4.278
96.568mph
14 +1:56.820
90.229mph
28 1:12.239
97.491mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Turkey Machine
 UKGPL
Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 7 +1.080
100.997mph
15 +21L
98.595mph
24 1:09.999
100.610mph
Disco
Firestone  
Sadik Dobra
 oAo
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 11 +2.451
99.050mph
16 +22L
94.549mph
23 1:11.448
98.570mph
Disco
Firestone  
Hristo Itchov
 UKGPL
Honda RA300 F1 1967 3 +0.585
101.719mph
17 +36L
98.131mph
9 1:09.671
101.084mph
Piston
Firestone  
Phil Thornton
 UKGPL
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 18 +5.515
94.958mph
18 +38L
88.401mph
7 1:14.590
94.418mph
Disco
Goodyear  
6 UKGPL
 
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« Reply #90 on: November 10, 2009, 08:04:39 PM +0000 »

Rather than a knockout event, which would only retain the interest of those teams still participating,  I think a true league based competition might work like this........

All teams that wished to take part would have to indicate their interest up front and nominate their "home" circuit. ( maybe initially limited to original Papyrus tracks, but I see no reason why it could not be any circuit from the track database).
No two teams could have the same "home" circuit, so it would be on a first registered basis getting the choice, this requires a central common database which also comes into play later...

I'm guessing that we might allow a maximum of 8 teams entered ( although if succesful it might appeal to more and spread across the globe?)in which case we could introduce more divisions?
Each team would have to race every other team twice ...home and away, and scoring points as at present towards a league table.

Here is the ( maybe !) clever bit, the main organiser (UKGPL?) would only set the opening date and the closing dates of the "season" which,  assuming there were 8 teams would mean 16 races to be accommodated. It would be up to the individual teams to organise their race schedules at any times to suit themselves within that season, meaning that each team would have to arrange their own fixture list and submit the dates to a common database purely to give everyone an overview of activity.
 That way the organising of venues and servers and dates would be evenly spread across all teams. Failure to succesfully arrange and complete a fixture would mean that those teams simply got a "no-score" at the end of the season.
If after a first season, which might take 6-8 months to complete,  more leagues applied to join the fun I would suggest we limit the number of teams to a max of 8 per div and start a new division dividing the number of teams equally.
Othere  simple rules would have to be  drawn up and maybe a moderators panel..one from each team....which would allow a panel of 6 independant mods to rule on any issues in a race??

 I hope this makes sense???

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« Reply #91 on: November 10, 2009, 10:42:08 PM +0000 »

Rather than a knockout event, which would only retain the interest of those teams still participating,  I think a true league based competition might work like this........

All teams that wished to take part would have to indicate their interest up front and nominate their "home" circuit. ( maybe initially limited to original Papyrus tracks, but I see no reason why it could not be any circuit from the track database).
No two teams could have the same "home" circuit, so it would be on a first registered basis getting the choice, this requires a central common database which also comes into play later...

I'm guessing that we might allow a maximum of 8 teams entered ( although if succesful it might appeal to more and spread across the globe?)in which case we could introduce more divisions?
Each team would have to race every other team twice ...home and away, and scoring points as at present towards a league table.
Yep I was thinking along the same lines but when you start to work out the numbers it gets a bit scary.  8 teams mean there will be 7 home races and 7 away races.  So each team will do 14 rounds.  So the number of races in total to import into the results table will be (14 * 8 )/2  (because there will be 2 teams in each race).  This makes a total of 56 races.  That is too much for one person to organize so each league would have to be responsible for organizing their own fixtures and simply providing the results in the form of a GPLRA Export and GPL HTML Export to be imported into the results system.  Moderating the races would be at the discretion of the individual league admins.

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Here is the ( maybe !) clever bit, the main organiser (UKGPL?) would only set the opening date and the closing dates of the "season" which,  assuming there were 8 teams would mean 16 races to be accommodated. It would be up to the individual teams to organise their race schedules at any times to suit themselves within that season, meaning that each team would have to arrange their own fixture list and submit the dates to a common database purely to give everyone an overview of activity.
 That way the organising of venues and servers and dates would be evenly spread across all teams. Failure to succesfully arrange and complete a fixture would mean that those teams simply got a "no-score" at the end of the season.
If after a first season, which might take 6-8 months to complete,  more leagues applied to join the fun I would suggest we limit the number of teams to a max of 8 per div and start a new division dividing the number of teams equally.
Yep if we go for it we should make it the 2010 GPL World Series.  The races to be completed between say March and November of 2010 at the discretion of the league admins.

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Othere  simple rules would have to be  drawn up and maybe a moderators panel..one from each team....which would allow a panel of 6 independant mods to rule on any issues in a race??

 I hope this makes sense???
Yes but I think the main organizer should start a thread on SpeedGeezers or RSC that all the participating league admins can join.  That way it wouldn't be based on a forum owned by one of the individual leagues.
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« Reply #92 on: November 10, 2009, 11:03:36 PM +0000 »

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Othere  simple rules would have to be  drawn up and maybe a moderators panel..one from each team....which would allow a panel of 6 independant mods to rule on any issues in a race??
 I hope this makes sense???
Yes but I think the main organizer should start a thread on SpeedGeezers or RSC that all the participating league admins can join.  That way it wouldn't be based on a forum owned by one of the individual leagues.
Or set up something like this so they can do most of it themselves http://www.teampages.com/?_kk=free%20sports%20website&_kt=1fa1b26a-a225-45f3-a036-bc5fd48e6ae1&gclid=COnMi6KygZ4CFVtn4wodAxTqpg
I wouldn't have time to run the admin but would be happy to set up the initial forum...
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« Reply #93 on: November 11, 2009, 07:24:20 AM +0000 »

Guys,

Float the idea by all means, but it changes the aspect of the Inter Leagues for all the other Clubs from fun, occasional events to a very serious competition that requires oodles of time.
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« Reply #94 on: November 11, 2009, 08:33:16 AM +0000 »

Dam you Beattie !!!!  you pre-empted my next post Roll Eyes which I had "up my sleeve".````````

I had floated my "master plan" to see what response it got and to guage reaction as to whether it was viable. But at the back of my mind was the very thought you have raised. If we make it a truly competitive league, do we lose the "fun" aspect??

At the moment every league we race comments on how enjoyable these contests are, maybe because they are held in the right spirit...having some mildly competitive fun.
I would be concerned that we would end up with a "World Cup" atmosphere with teams of aliens dominating the upper positions and many more "incidents" requiring moderation, if there was more at stake.

On the other hand, if instigating a true league generates more interest, would it attract more drivers into GPL and add to its appeal?
As Phil and Tim have pointed out the logistics in organising events is far too much for any one person ( unless they are a masochist!!) and I was talking about 8 teams as a max. I had started out thinking about 10 or 12 and quickly realised the error of my ways!!!

So, is there a middle way???


But, does any form of points scoring league change the "fun" aspect???....I suspect that it will  Sad
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« Reply #95 on: November 11, 2009, 04:20:21 PM +0000 »

TBH, although making it a serious competition league sounds interesting, it's already quite a serious challenge and takes a lot of effort in each event, at least for me. I'm trying to cut down on racing right now and if this is transformed to something more occupying I'll consider skipping it altogether.
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« Reply #96 on: November 14, 2009, 10:21:58 PM +0000 »

Hi, fellas.  A week without sim racing.  UGH!!!   :'(  No joy in that, I can tell you!

TYVM for all the best wishes.  I saw my endochronologist...thyroid guy...yesterday and am now being taken off medication.  Seems that it's done all it can for me.  The list of side affects of the meds are as bad if not worse than the ****ing condition in the first place!  LOL!  I wonder if one of them is cloudy vision after a hot run in GPL?

I'd like to formally apologize to Bo Bruce for slagging him back in my earlier post.  I'd had a simply marvelous duel with him for 30-odd laps.  It was really keen with never more than 3 seconds between us even in traffic situations.  I spun trying to miss him in what I judged to be a 'soft' entry to McLeans just as I was turning up the wick in the dying laps but in hindsight, it was nothing like a 'short brake' attempt to get me off the road and as I have plenty of real-life Formula Ford experience with that sort of thing, I should have known better at the time.  NP, Bo.  TY for a great and thrilling run!  Smiley

I continue to limit my computer activities with great restriction and am satisfied to just do the odd lap in GPL as I edit Calabogie.  Perhaps as the medication wears off...it will take weeks of reduced dosage before I'm finally clear of all the meds..., I'll be able to reassess things.  Won't be anytime soon, I'm sure, but there's always hope.  Fingers X'd!  Smiley

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« Reply #97 on: November 14, 2009, 11:54:24 PM +0000 »

Glad to here the meds are working Doni , having taken more than my fair share over the last 10 years i know all about side effects , a neccesary evil though mate ,so just keep soldiering  on and do what the nurses tell you , you know it makes sense  Wink



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« Reply #98 on: November 15, 2009, 12:49:31 AM +0000 »

Glad to here the meds are working Doni , having taken more than my fair share over the last 10 years i know all about side effects , a neccesary evil though mate ,so just keep soldiering  on and do what the nurses tell you , you know it makes sense  Wink





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« Reply #99 on: November 15, 2009, 11:34:52 AM +0000 »

Hristo,  you mean slide effects,  surely  Grin

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