UKPnG Season 2 - Shot Glass Challenge - Barber (GP) - Feb 11

[BillThomas]

Nice to see you back again Laurie.

Bill

[Geoffers]

Well, unless I can come up with some magic way to stick the back end of this car to the track, I'm gonna give this race a miss. I've tried all the different setups & none of them tame the rear end for me, even the street setup. I cannot string 2 laps together without spinning even at a slow pace.

I will give it another go tomorrow night to see if I can master it, but it's not looking promising 

[ginsters sponsored]

Sure you'll get there Geoff. It really is a cracking combo when it comes together and I'll be there morow night to trying make it click.

Great to cyu back Laurie and Ayrton

[Mark J]

Geoffers, watch the AI in an offline praccy or race and watch how early they brake and then use the feather throttling around the corners. I think most who suffer with too many spins in these are leaving their braking too late and getting out of shape. Slow in-fast out is the old 911 mantra ! 

The softer rear end/stiffer front should definitely help with taming oversteer.

[Geoffers]

Thanks guys, I will give it another go tonight. Its the 2 combination corners that keep catching me out. The left/right on the back straight & the following left/right through the dip. I just keep losing the back on the sudden direction changes, power on, power off or a steady throttle, nothing seems to work.

I'm thinking that maybe it's my wheel setup that is the problem, I only use around 360 degrees of lock on my DFP & maybe the steering imputs with that little lock are too violent for this car. I'm going to increase it tonight & see if it makes any difference. Fingers crossed!

[goldtop]

Make sure you have the PnG ffb switched on Geoff and increase your wheel to at least 750 degrees.

My setup works well, but my brain doesn't allow me to post it up. If you want to email me I'll attach it back to you. Slight braking and getting on the throttle early is best for me in that chicane. Let that backside hang out

[Paul968]

The way to drive these cars is to learn to be happy with the tail swinging a bit. You do need to use your right foot though to balance the car once it starts to swing. As you say, the problems are the quick combo corners, which need to be straightened out as much as possible and with no big lifts in the middle.

[Clive Loynes]

I found Ian's setup to feel much like my own but higher geared.

In qually/race running I have managed a 38.2 with Ian's setup, which is the best I have managed in those sessions.  I have managed a 37.7 as a time trial lap with my own so there probably isn't a lot in it.

Ian's higher 4th makes the car more stable in the wiggle on the back straight.  I only use 2nd to 4th but that might be because I'm not going fast enough.

With the AI on 110% I can just hang on to the back of a grid of eight and keep one of them behind me.

The AI are having a load of fun and chewing lumps out of each other so lets hope that Thursday will be similar.

[Legzy]

on the server with a few others

[phspok]

A particularly challenging track with possibly the most challenging cars
Too many challengings for me.
managed to just creep under 38 with a modded evo2 setup
But it is no longer enjoyable.
I hope the race proves more than just frustrating.

[goldtop]

I think I know what you mean there Matt. It's almost as if we can practice so much for an event that by racetime it's just too familiar for us to enjoy.

In real world racing, although events are scheduled well in advance, there are few opportunities to practice on a particular track before a race weekend. Maybe a case for not releasing all of the event details so far in advance?

[Tibernius]

I think I know what you mean there Matt. It's almost as if we can practice so much for an event that by racetime it's just too familiar for us to enjoy.

One of the reasons why I don't practice for a race until about an hour before it starts. I found it was actually making my lap times worse as I lost interest in the car/track combo by the time the race started.

[ginsters sponsored]

Seems like the IROC is PnG Marmite as I can't get enough of it. I'm sure I'll enjoy further choices less or hate them/legzy but I'm kinda guessing thats the point of a one make series (I'm guessing its not IROC's week in, week out ). I'll be a grumpy old git in the run up to Elan week thats for sure  

[phspok]

Well maybe you are right GT And Tibs, but usually the more I practice ,the faster if not more consistent I get
and the more I look forward to the race, this one is not so. I like Barber, and I sort of enjoy trying to get
the porkas round quickly, but both together is an unfortunate combo IMHO. My fast in slow out style
does not suit these ton of lead in the back cars, so for me it's tedious. No matter, the race might be interesting.

[Legzy]

Maybe a case for not releasing all of the event details so far in advance?

LOL. I have been surprised to see people doing laps of Mid-Ohio!

I assure you I'm not so organised normally, but real world events were putting things up in the air for me... so I sacrificed some race practice time at he start of the year to get enough future races sorted, in case I couldn't do them later. I've still got nothing like the spare time I had, but I'm confident now that I can work out races closer to the time again (i.e. return to being a last minute charlie ).

Besides, I've had an idea that's going to help me out (I hope ).


p.s. Barber+IROC is a fairly tough combo, but I almost feel that you need to try less hard to go faster... it that makes sense