iRacing Season 2 Skippy - Brands Hatch (Indy) - Mar 2

[Ken Murray]

Some comments have suggested Brands being a bit of a difficult circuit in the Skippy, but to be honest I don't see it as any harder than many others on the schedule. Laguna has the Corkscrew and Infineon and VIR both have blind cresting corners. Apart from Paddock, Brands is pretty straightforward I'd say?

It wasn't the theoretical difficulty, Ken, it was the utter lack of any feeling from the car, almost like the circuit had an ultra low grip surface.

Dave, if you can muscle a Late Model round there the way you do, surely the Skippy is a doddle??!!!

[picnic]

Dave, if you can muscle a Late Model round there the way you do, surely the Skippy is a doddle??!!!

No way, the Late Model is sublime to drive. For me it's 1000 times easier to drive than the Skippy. For a start it doesn't swap ends the moment you lift off while cornering 

[Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer]

Dave, if you can muscle a Late Model round there the way you do, surely the Skippy is a doddle??!!!

As Picnic says, the Late Model doesn't swap ends if you have to lift off mid-bend. Plus it has actual steering feel. And proper tyres. And a proper engine.

I did a few laps round the GP circuit in the Skippy earlier, and it's a different beast. Not as good as some of the other cars, but a huge leap away from how it feels around the Indy circuit. I wonder if there's a surface join problem where McLaren joins Clearways/Clark - I don't remember anything like that in real life, and that seemed to be the place where a lot of people were having the worst time of it.

[Ken Murray]

Dave, if you can muscle a Late Model round there the way you do, surely the Skippy is a doddle??!!!

As Picnic says, the Late Model doesn't swap ends if you have to lift off mid-bend. Plus it has actual steering feel. And proper tyres. And a proper engine.

I did a few laps round the GP circuit in the Skippy earlier, and it's a different beast. Not as good as some of the other cars, but a huge leap away from how it feels around the Indy circuit. I wonder if there's a surface join problem where McLaren joins Clearways/Clark - I don't remember anything like that in real life, and that seemed to be the place where a lot of people were having the worst time of it.

Well that is the only part that is any different to the GP (apart from the bits you don't actually use of course!!). Is it not just the subtle elevation change as you crest the ridge? Having never driven it for real I wouldn't know how accurate/innacurate it is.

Now when Oulton arrives I will be able to make that judgement. I'm so looking forward to that one, but seems Zandvort is ahead in the queue.

[popabawa]

Looks like Zandvoort will get released today. EDIT: no it won't the update has been delayed.

Andy Purdie has driven Brands a fair bit as it's his local track but I'm not sure how much experience he's had on the Indy circuit. Andy?

[Paul Thurston]

Hey dont worry Oily I got a PM being told off for holding someone up while coming out of the pits in practice 

Why would a practice session be different to any other session?

[popabawa]

Paul, I wouldn't expect anyone to deliberately drive in a way to cause other drivers problems in a practice session but there would be a much higher degree of leeway allowable for people making mistakes and errors of judgement in a practice session compared to an 'official' qualifying session or race.

If you feel the incident was deliberate or serious enough, please use the incident reporting system to resolve it.

[Fred Basset]

For the avoidance of doubt the PM did not come from Paul T, it was me and sent because its not the first time its happened.

I was not rude or abusive and just wanted to point out what had happened. Its not protestable in my view but could have been avoided.

Don't want to discuss any further here as this is a driver I have enormous respect for.

Gary

[popabawa]

Don't want to discuss any further here....

Thanks Gary.

I'd like everyone to bear that in mind, there's quite a few posts that come close to a public discussion of incidents. Please use PM's or the incident protest system to air your greivances.

[Paul Thurston]

Paul, I wouldn't expect anyone to deliberately drive in a way to cause other drivers problems in a practice session but there would be a much higher degree of leeway allowable for people making mistakes and errors of judgement in a practice session compared to an 'official' qualifying session or race.

If you feel the incident was deliberate or serious enough, please use the incident reporting system to resolve it.

As Gary said it wasn't me.  I was just picking up on the idea that a driver might treat practice sessions as less important.  That I think would be a bad precedent to set.

[popabawa]

They aren't any less important but they are practice sessions and allowing drives to work through their mistakes is fine in that environment.

I wouldn't expect anyone to jump right in without having some degree of competance at a track though.

And while driving mistakes will inevitably be made, normal levels of courtesy, sportmanship and gentlemanly behaviour are demanded.

[Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer]

Is it not just the subtle elevation change as you crest the ridge? Having never driven it for real I wouldn't know how accurate/innacurate it is.

I didn't notice it at all in my road car. In fact I don't ever remember seeing a car spin there in real life - usually if somebody is going to go off there it's because they are carrying too much speed and wash out wide.

Ah ha!: "An improvement has been made to areas where multiple pieces of track join up so that the seams may be less bumpy."

[Paul Thurston]

Is it not just the subtle elevation change as you crest the ridge? Having never driven it for real I wouldn't know how accurate/innacurate it is.

I didn't notice it at all in my road car. In fact I don't ever remember seeing a car spin there in real life - usually if somebody is going to go off there it's because they are carrying too much speed and wash out wide.

Ah ha!: "An improvement has been made to areas where multiple pieces of track join up so that the seams may be less bumpy."

There's definitely something just before the apex of McLaren which was making my G25 make a very unpleasant noise.  It didn't throw me off though.

I have raced at the Indy circuit back when I was in the Mighty Minis.  The kidney section in iRacing is very much how I remember it though obviously the car's very different and it was 1998.

In real life in a race situation I was a lot more tentative into McLaren than I am in a sim.  The barriers seem a  lot closer in real life and a Mini has a slight tendency to understeer.  I do remember that section as bumpy though.

[Paul968]

I'm not convinced about that. I had many spins in practice there but it was always precipitated some way before the join to the GP circuit. I don't remember many people at all going off in the race there (can't think of anyone in fact).

[Paul968]

Watching the replay, most drivers had problems at Paddock or Graham Hill - the quick ones.