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  • i2s Silverstone: March 16, 2010
March 16, 2010, 09:13:20 AM +0000 - Silverstone (International) - iRacing Season 2 Skippy - @iRacing.com
Driver
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Led Best Retirement
reason
Incidents
Kerr
 Team Shark
Skip Barber SBF2000 (#37) SBF2k 1 1:34.908
85.300mph
1 39:54.675
84.518mph
25 25 1:35.154
85.080mph
BFGoodrich  
Paul968
 Kerb Crawlers
Skip Barber SBF2000 (#36) SBF2k 2 +0.093
85.217mph
2 +3.963
84.378mph
25   1:35.002
85.216mph
BFGoodrich 1
Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer
 Team Shark
Skip Barber SBF2000 (#36) SBF2k 3 +0.191
85.129mph
3 +4.792
84.349mph
25   1:35.019
85.201mph
BFGoodrich 1
Brendan
 Kerb Crawlers
Skip Barber SBF2000 (#36) SBF2k 5 +0.209
85.113mph
4 +5.835
84.312mph
25   1:34.888
85.318mph
BFGoodrich 1
Fred Basset
 Kerb Crawlers
Skip Barber SBF2000 (#36) SBF2k 6 +0.399
84.943mph
5 +10.048
84.165mph
25   1:35.438
84.827mph
BFGoodrich  
Simmo
 Kerb Crawlers
Skip Barber SBF2000 (#36) SBF2k 4 +0.206
85.116mph
6 +10.690
84.142mph
25   1:35.419
84.844mph
BFGoodrich 5
Gazza49er
 Team Pseudo Racing
Skip Barber SBF2000 (#36) SBF2k 11 +1.084
84.337mph
7 +17.810
83.894mph
25   1:35.550
84.727mph
BFGoodrich 2
Mike Wrightson
 Team Shark
Skip Barber SBF2000 (#36) SBF2k 8 +0.535
84.822mph
8 +37.469
83.216mph
25   1:35.716
84.580mph
BFGoodrich 13
Ade
 Kerb Crawlers
Skip Barber SBF2000 (#36) SBF2k 14 +1.370
84.087mph
9 +38.168
83.192mph
25   1:35.590
84.692mph
BFGoodrich 7
Simon Gymer
 Team Shark
Skip Barber SBF2000 (#36) SBF2k 15 +1.489
83.983mph
10 +47.099
82.887mph
25   1:35.770
84.533mph
BFGoodrich 2
popabawa
 Legends Racing
Skip Barber SBF2000 (#36) SBF2k 17 +1.643
83.849mph
11 +53.027
82.687mph
25   1:36.691
83.727mph
BFGoodrich 3
Adam Parle
 Legends Racing
Skip Barber SBF2000 (#36) SBF2k 12 +1.089
84.333mph
12 +53.301
82.677mph
25   1:35.932
84.390mph
BFGoodrich 10
Ken Murray
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Skip Barber SBF2000 (#36) SBF2k 10 +0.680
84.694mph
13 +56.159
82.581mph
25   1:35.823
84.486mph
BFGoodrich 10
Noel Kellett
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Skip Barber SBF2000 (#37) SBF2k 13 +1.323
84.128mph
14 (+2) +1:05.182
82.278mph
25   1:36.283
84.082mph
BFGoodrich 11
ross.mcw
 Prodigy Racing
Skip Barber SBF2000 (#36) SBF2k 16 +1.631
83.859mph
15 +1:30.176
81.450mph
25   1:36.561
83.840mph
BFGoodrich 3
Ben "Welling" Summers
 Phoenix Racing
Skip Barber SBF2000 (#36) SBF2k 20 +1.980
83.557mph
16 +1L 24   1:37.126
83.352mph
BFGoodrich 19
Burtoner
 Team Shark
Skip Barber SBF2000 (#36) SBF2k 22 +3.726
82.078mph
17 +14L 11   1:37.276
83.224mph
BFGoodrich 13
Truetom
 Legends Racing
Skip Barber SBF2000 (#1) SBF2k 21 +2.534
83.082mph
18 (+4) +21L 4   1:36.704
83.716mph
Disco
BFGoodrich 8
Paul Thurston
 Epicurie Banana
Skip Barber SBF2000 (#36) SBF2k 9 +0.552
84.807mph
19 (+1) 4   1:36.381
83.997mph
BFGoodrich 10
purdie
 Legends Racing
Skip Barber SBF2000 (#36) SBF2k 18 +1.725
83.778mph
20 (+2) +24L 1   ---
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Disco
BFGoodrich 4
Dan Minton
 Team RVS
Skip Barber SBF2000 (#36) SBF2k 7 +0.494
84.859mph
21 1   ---
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Disco
BFGoodrich 7
Don
 Legends Racing
Skip Barber SBF2000 (#43) SBF2k 19 +1.897
83.629mph
22 +25L 0   ---
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Disco
BFGoodrich 4

Moderator's Report

Server replay time: 2s

Ken runs into the back of Mike Wrightson at Maggotts, spinning Mike off the track.

This looks bad until you see that the car ahead of Mike (Paul Thurston) suddenly backs off quite early. Paul's car is unfortuntely hidden from Mike at this precise moment and so Ken has no chance to anticipate the chain reaction that occurs. Mike has to lift to avoid hitting Paul and Ken goes into the back of him. While Ken might have shown a bit more care at this point, I feel many drivers would have been caught out in the same situation. As a result a warning seems a fair assessment.


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The cars ahead brake much earlier than TT and he misses his braking point and runs wide into Don, damaging his car and effectively ending his race.

Ross, in front of TT, did brake very early, but TT should have shown more care here on lap 1 at what is possibly the most likely point for a crash on the circuit. He also had a decent gap to the car ahead but failed to react, so much so that he actually hit the next car. Drivers need to expect those ahead to be braking slightly early on lap 1 and so should be prepared to do the same thing. The penalty is mitigated by one place due to the early braking of the cars ahead.


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Andy Purdy moves across into Mike Wrightson when avoiding a slowing Don (damaged after contact with TT).

Although Don did slow down, it was not by a great amount and Andy had plenty of time to assess the situation and react. I am unclear whether Andy knew if Mike was there, but either way he shouldn't have moved over.

Two things might have avoided this incident. The spotter works on road courses as well as ovals, so please use this very useful aid - it would have told andy there was a car alongside. Mike could also perhaps have anticipated Don slowing and moved right to allow Andy room in case he did move across.


Server replay time: 5s

Paul Thurston Clips Dan Minton braking for the hairpin and spins Dan off the track, damaging his car.

This is similar to the TT/Don incident, but Paul had less time to react. Dan clearly brakes very early, earlier in fact than pretty much every other driver in the front half of the field. Paul on the other hand leaves it very late and then locks up when he sees Dan brake. He nearly avoids Dan but clips his wheel.

Since Paul brakes at the same place as several of the leaders, it is hard to say that he didn't brake early enough. Dan was more than 10 mph slower than the quickest cars at the same point, and I think this was the main reason for the contact. However, Paul didn't react quickly enough to Dan braking, at a time when he should have been expecting it. As a result a reduced penalty seems the right call.




Server replay time: 5s

Paul Thurston runs wide into Brooklands and rejoins on the outside. Ken Murray is just behind and battling Gazza. Ken runs a bit wide too and lets Gazza down the inside, forcing him to stay wide. He then runs out to the exit curb, not realising that Paul is there and they collide. Paul's car then mates rather forcibly with Ken's, but fortunately there are no little skippies resulting ;-)

I see this much as the drivers do - an unfortunate racing incident, where neither driver knew the other was there nor expected them to be in that part of the track at that moment. Just one of those things.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 22s

Noel Kellett misses his braking point at the hairpin and hits Adam Parle.

Not much to add here, other than to say that being behind another car with no chance of an overtake you need to be extra careful to brake in time.

  • Noel Kellettpenalty — Rear end shunt — 2 places lost


Server replay time: 574s

TT is chasing Rob Burton into the hairpin. He gets no overlap under braking but tries to slide down the inside as Rob leaves a small gap, but runs wide and into Rob.

This move was never on as the gap was always going to close unless Rob was intimidated enough to leave the door open. He didn't and was quite entitled to turn in. TT should have been prepared to back out if this happened but was already committed. There really is no excuse for this.

SimRacing.org.uk Lap Records
iRacing
SBF2k
1:34.908
85.300mph
Kerr
Qualifying
Skip Barber SBF2000March 16, 2010, 09:13:20 AM +0000
i2s
iRacing
SBF2k
1:34.888
85.318mph
Brendan
Race
Skip Barber SBF2000March 16, 2010, 09:13:20 AM +0000
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« Reply #30 on: March 16, 2010, 08:51:02 AM +0000 »

Mine does the same if I come out of the server and go back in, not sure if even alt tabbing does the same also, I will have to check.


got a G25 wheel btw.
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« Reply #31 on: March 16, 2010, 09:18:58 AM +0000 »

My view is that drivers should make every effort to drive the track within the prescribed bounaries as defined within the game, i.e. not to pick up any 1x off-track incidents.

That's one of the benefits to the incidents being reported, if someone flagrantly picked up a 1x every lap by cutting too much it's pretty easy to pick that up after the race, if it's deemed to be deliberate then a penalty would follow.

In this specific case (T3), as Brian points out, it's safer to ride the kerb there, no 1x is detected so it's perfectly allowable.
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« Reply #32 on: March 16, 2010, 09:41:35 AM +0000 »

Mine does the same if I come out of the server and go back in, not sure if even alt tabbing does the same also, I will have to check.

Alt-Tab cause the problem for me as iR loses the focus.

got a G25 wheel btw.

Snap, makes no difference if I'm running the Logitech Profiler or not
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« Reply #33 on: March 16, 2010, 09:45:54 AM +0000 »

My view is that drivers should make every effort to drive the track within the prescribed bounaries as defined within the game, i.e. not to pick up any 1x off-track incidents.

That's one of the benefits to the incidents being reported, if someone flagrantly picked up a 1x every lap by cutting too much it's pretty easy to pick that up after the race, if it's deemed to be deliberate then a penalty would follow.

In this specific case (T3), as Brian points out, it's safer to ride the kerb there, no 1x is detected so it's perfectly allowable.

Its also realistic, as has been pointed out. I'm driving this like I do in real life, iRacing have it right with no 1x here

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« Reply #34 on: March 16, 2010, 04:40:04 PM +0000 »

Put in another little practice and I'm still all over the place.

I'm beginning to see how fast Brendon's time is. It would not be surprised to see that time more than good enough for pole.

After the recent debate about driving standards I do feel there is still too much focus on hot lap times.

There are a few corners that really bite but hopefully like I'm finding, I get thrown well off the racing line out the way.

I'm still miles off race standard so I will hopefully be on the server early doors tonight.
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« Reply #35 on: March 16, 2010, 04:53:45 PM +0000 »

I'm still miles off race standard so I will hopefully be on the server early doors tonight.

Lol yeah, miles off Brian!  Doubtless I'll be lapping you at least twice during the race with your 'slow' pace Wink
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« Reply #36 on: March 16, 2010, 06:40:31 PM +0000 »

Struggling here ..just not carrying enough speed through the corners. Using Brendan's set which was a million times better than mine..Cheers mate. Wink
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« Reply #37 on: March 16, 2010, 08:51:56 PM +0000 »

sorry Michael, I over reacted to Don slowing Sad i knew you were on my right but didn't realise you were a little alongside  Undecided your car was knackered and when I saw you pit I felt worse! Sorry again

DNF'd.... after the incident but I enjoyed combo and have had quite a bit of practice but still only quali'd 18th with a pb! Setup from Pops was great but I just didn't know how to carry enough speed through the corners (especially tricky T2 and T3!)  Roll Eyes

Can't wait to get behind the Dallara which I seem to just click with..... pretty much addicted to power!
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« Reply #38 on: March 16, 2010, 09:20:04 PM +0000 »

My car was so beaten up after the first few laps it's a wonder it still went in a straight line  :'(  Although I had some good racing in the midfield and a massive battle with Ade for 8th, I pushed a mistake from him on the last lap!

That race goes into the "what might have been" pile.

I think you must have seen someone else pit though Andy, I carried on without resetting since the car was still driving OK.
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« Reply #39 on: March 16, 2010, 09:26:21 PM +0000 »

Really painful car/track combination that - I was hopeless in practice but finally managed to pull together an okayish qualy lap.

Spoiled my race at the start with a dumb jump start/black flag/pit which was a shame because I finally found some consistency and could have probably had some fun racing in the mid-field.  As it was I instead spent the whole race on my own and it's not a great track for just hot lapping.

Congrats on the win Brian and to all the other front runners.  Amazing pace!

Cheers, Ross.
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« Reply #40 on: March 16, 2010, 09:27:56 PM +0000 »

That went a lot better than I thought.

A few corners were really getting to me. Impossible to do consistently fast using right foot braking.

Qualifying was hotly contested with drivers up and down the chart all the time.

In the last couple of minutes I slipped from 1st to 4th but could not find a clean lap with all the traffic added with a few errors of my own.

Looked at the lap charts to see Dave at the top of the chart and I almost felt bad for stealing it off him however Paul came through to take 2nd late on too.

I knew there was no point trying to push too hard as at one point or another T3 into T4 would get me. Also the tight right hander at the end of the straight was getting to me. My braking was really inconsistent and I often ran wide.

Paul was never far away and I thought once I found myself 1.5 secs ahead I might ease away. A couple of little errors and Paul was right on my tail for the next series of laps.

Paul was really strong in and out of the tight right hander and was forever taking a few tenths off and could probably see I was struggling with that bend. Looking in my mirrors I could see him about to make a move on the brakes but I read what was going to happen. I just stayed left and let him run on wide.

That gave me an 8sec lead and I just cruised to the finish.

Great race and very surprised to win as earlier I really was struggling badly. Just shows if you forget about fastest laps and overdriving consistency rewards.

Looks like a few others had a real battle behind too.
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« Reply #41 on: March 16, 2010, 09:52:30 PM +0000 »

That was good fun, had two unforced and silly spins towoards the end of the race which moved me back a few spots, but other than that, really enjoyable and some good close racing. Spent the first 5 or 6 laps doing my best Jarno Trulli impersonation, I was that green mobile chicane that 5 or 6 cars were backedup behind Smiley

Tipped Adam at the hairpin on lap 10 when I out braked myself, apologies, pulled aside and let him back through, Mike snuk past then too, in a car that was more skip that barber.

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« Reply #42 on: March 16, 2010, 09:54:57 PM +0000 »

Looked at the lap charts to see Dave at the top of the chart and I almost felt bad for stealing it off him however Paul came through to take 2nd late on too.

Heh heh, I saw the 34s in practice so I figured I'd have little chance of being anywhere near the front 3 rows; one lap I pushed too hard into T3 and had to drift it all the way through into T4. Thought the lap was spoiled so pushed in the rest of the lap hoping to stretch the limits a bit more on a scratch lap and was shocked to see 1:35.0 come up - and even more shocked to see the "1" in front of it!

Wasn't that surprised to see that that was still only good enough for 3rd but I figured that I'd soon have the 3 or 4 cars immediately behind me, er, well, immediately behind me. laugh It was clear after the first few laps that Brendan was going to be the biggest threat, but I had enough of an advantage in the second half of the lap, especially in Priory and Brooklands, to be able to maintain a gap of around 2 seconds.

That was, until I reached Welling to lap him. Without much of a gap to play with, where I caught him was just going to be where it was going to be - unfortunately that turned out to be the tricky T3/T4 combination and my gap to Brendan was wiped out. From there on I had to defend like crazy, my only real advantage being that his strong section - T3/T4 - wasn't a great place to try an overtake.

At one point we actually traded places for a couple of laps; I can't remember now whether this was before or after Paul968 had his moment, but having him struggling right ahead of me didn't help much either. laugh

A podium is an amazing result for me, and really only came about because of that freak qualifying lap. Still, I'll take what I can get! laugh angel
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« Reply #43 on: March 16, 2010, 10:00:05 PM +0000 »

That was a pretty disappointing performance from me tonight Sad

After quite a bit of practice I was going pretty well yesterday, getting into the 1:35's and easily running low 1:36's I was nowhere near it tonight. 10 mins praccy wasn't enough to get up to speed and I then struggled in qually.

As usual I only picked up places due to others mistakes but I was pretty consistent and didn't make any big mistakes.

The highlight was a great battle with Adam at the end, we had a small private wager on this race so I was very pleased to pip him Grin

A pint of Crème de menthe and tizer please Adam!
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« Reply #44 on: March 16, 2010, 10:02:15 PM +0000 »

My race report...

Roll on the IndyCar race. Smiley
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