iRacing Season 2 Skippy - Silverstone (International) - Mar 16

[ross.mcw]

Chicken and egg... surely more incident reports are needed in the iRacing league so that it can be judged how many moderators are needed.  I understand that moderator resources have been an issue in the past with the other leagues, but iRacing's reporting and replay facilities hopefully make this a slightly easier task than in the Simbin based sims which should help.

My suggestion above was simply to make sure that car2car incidents do actually get reported (them not being reported seemed to be an issue at the start of this thread).  I'd hope that those all involved don't forget - at least they have an incentive to not forget!  Making it a requirement simply removes any obscurity on the issue of whether something should/shouldn't be reported.

PS.  I've obviously not moderated before myself and realise that I may be talking carp in which case, feel free to flame/ignore me

Cheers, Ross.

[Simmo]

The Brands incident report shows what a joke the current system is.  I have no complaints about my penalty, but am extremely unhappy that I'm the only one on there.  That element is totally unfair.  It seems that if you are in a huge team or are an SROUK stalwart and are chummy with everyone, then you have a massive advantage as you are far less likely to get a complaint against you  There were loads of incidents that deserved a penalty in that race.   Its laughable.

[popabawa]

We're certainly not going to ignore incident reports just because there are other incidents that are unreported. What you didn't see is that a number of drivers were contacted privately after that race.

In an ideal world the mods would go through every lap in every race from each drivers perspective but that's not going to happen, it's simply too time consuming.

Anyone is free to file a report that they think justifies it. You don't have to be directly involved or affected. You didn't even respond to the incident you were involved with Stuart, it seems to me like you are in the group you seem to be criticising.....

[Simmo]

Like I said, I have no problem with my penalty and don't think it should be ignored, in fact I'm asking the contrary, the other incidents should not be ignored just because nobody complained.  I didn't respond to defend myself of my incident as it was indefensible, the replay said it all.  I take it on the chin.

The problem is, as some others have mentioned, there are groups of friends on track who have raced against each other for a long time and won't raise an incident against each other.  People are more inclined to raise an incident against someone they don't know.  Thats not equality.

I saw quite a few incidents at Brands when I watched the replay that I consider to be worthy of a penalty yet they get no mention.  Its frustrating to be the only one singled out in public in such an incident filled race.  You must see my point?

it seems to me like you are in the group you seem to be criticising.....

I have no idea what you mean?

[Simon Gymer]

Its laughable.

What's laughable is that no one bothered to report anything but one incident. It has nothing to do with being chummy or being in teams and in fact I would say team mates can actually get a harder time than people you don't know. Even if you kiss and make up with people via PM I believe the incident should still be reported. The more we see the more is visible. The more is visible the more effect it has on not just that one person but everyone else too.

This is a voluntary organisation and getting people to trawl through every incident in every race is not going to happen so you can't expect it. You are not paying anything for this league so don't expect a service from it. You get out what you put in.

[Fred Basset]

Its laughable.

This is a voluntary organisation and getting people to trawl through every incident in every race is not going to happen so you can't expect it. You are not paying anything for this league so don't expect a service from it. You get out what you put in.

Actually Simon, Stuart has paid for a fair number of the practice sessions for this seasons skippy races out of his own pocket.

Gary

[popabawa]

I saw quite a few incidents at Brands when I watched the replay that I consider to be worthy of a penalty yet they get no mention.  Its frustrating to be the only one singled out in public in such an incident filled race.  You must see my point?

it seems to me like you are in the group you seem to be criticising.....

I have no idea what you mean?

You are upset that incidents didn't get reported yet you didn't report anything yourself, not even the incident you were involved with You can't have it both ways.

[Fred Basset]

Also as driving standards were raised after this race why did it need incident reports to go in, what triggered the request for improved driving standards if there was only one incident raised.

Not trying to cause trouble but I can see why Stuart is a little unhappy and before anyone says anything, yes he is my friend and I did recommend he joined here.

Gary

[popabawa]

I raised the issue over driving standards.

I noticed after the race that an inordinate amount of incidents had occurred which matched what I saw in the race, I passed driver after driver who had left the track.

I don't see that as protestable if no-one else is affected. However, those types of spins / off-track excursions can easily end someone else's race so I wanted to raise my opinion that some people were over-driving and that could have undesirable consequences.

Stuarts incident was based on car contact. If there were other incidents of car contact I'd expect them to be reported. I didn't see any during the race.

[ross.mcw]

Just one suggestion - why not make it mandatory that any car to car contacts during qualy or the race must be reported as incidents otherwise all parties involved are struck out of the results.

For one thing, somebody might simply forget. For another - and more importantly - it would be as labour intensive as simply reviewing all cars for the whole race.

Just looking into this a little bit, it seems like it would be reasonably straightforward to programmatically pull a complete list of incidents for any session as the lap chart refers to data at this URL:-

http://members.iracing.com/membersite/member/GetLapChart?&subsessionid=1789702

...and the 'flags' variable is available for each driver for each lap where each bit of the binary version of flags is:-

2 = "pitted"
4 = "off track"
8 = "black flag"
16 = "car reset"
32 = "contact"
64 = "car contact"
128 = "lost control"
256 = "discontinuity"
512 = "interpolated crossing"
1024 = "clock smash"
2048 = "tow"

This would at least allow automated highlighting of what needs looking at although you'd potentially still have to look at the whole lap to locate the incident.

I may even have a go at a webpage myself to do this.

[Simon Gymer]

Actually Simon, Stuart has paid for a fair number of the practice sessions for this seasons skippy races out of his own pocket.

And there was I thinking a donation was a donation. As soon as people start expecting something from their donation this becomes a business and I don't believe that's the direction this league ever wants to go in.

[Simmo]

You are upset that incidents didn't get reported yet you didn't report anything yourself, not even the incident you were involved with You can't have it both ways.

I didn't see it as my place to report incidents between other drivers where I wasn't involved?  Isn't that for the drivers involved to report or the moderators to raise? How would a driver feel if I raised an incident against them but wasn't involved and wasn't a moderator?

There were plenty of other contact incidents at Brands, some race ending.

Simon, I expect nothing from this league except parity.  The current incidents system doesn't give us that. 

[Fred Basset]

Actually Simon, Stuart has paid for a fair number of the practice sessions for this seasons skippy races out of his own pocket.

And there was I thinking a donation was a donation. As soon as people start expecting something from their donation this becomes a business and I don't believe that's the direction this league ever wants to go in.

Simon I never said he was expecting anything, I was just pointing out that your statement was wrong. I do agree that it does not mean he should expect anything, but I did feel that as he had willingly started the server for people a number of times using his own cash that your comment was harsh.

Gary

[Paul968]

Just to say that although I don't necessarily like it in this case, it is far from uncommon in motorsport to see this sort of thing happen. Take the F1 rules - cars running close to the rules are normally only looked at by the stewards if another team protests, for instance the wing stalling saga at Mclaren.

[Simmo]

Not with on-track incidents though Paul.  Thats the Clerk of the Courses job, and he has to treat everyone the same.