UKPnG Season 2 - Shot Glass Challenge - Rouen (1955-70) - Mar 25

[Legzy]

I was a bit surprised to find I was 4 seconds a lap quicker in the Ferrari. I'll explain more in detail tomorrow.

I too am surprised to hear that!
I'm expecting it to just have the edge, but with the Vette obviously having the power advantage for the start & overtaking

[r.mestdag30]

I just did some practice in the Vette and my best lap so far (not a clean one) is 2:25.1 

How r u guys doing so far?

[Clive Loynes]

My first session yielded a 2:25.318 in the z06 but was a bit like the curate's egg.  Good in parts.

[r.mestdag30]

On my third session I've reached 2:23.842 in the Vette.

The kink is such a pain in the bass though, i'm losing time there every single lap!!

NOTE - Edited one word, use your imagination to keep it clean please.

[Mike Miller]

What is good about the Ferrari?
- Much better tires
- Much better suspension
- 5 speed gearbox
- Better brakes
- Less fuel usage
- Less tire abuse
- Glorious sounds

What is good about the Vette?
- It's a scary looking mother if you're in the black one

Initially I thought the Vette would be best with a slight power to weight advantage (.271 vs .265), but there isn't much in it. By time you add all the extra fuel to feed the thirsty engine I think they would be even. The brakes on the Vette aren't too bad, but they glow red hot and become biscuit tin after a number of laps. The tires are junk. Plain and simple. Ian found out how funny they are the last round in the GT350. I was also shocked to find the Ferrari is only down 1 mph on the Vette in the long straight. This isn't due to better cornering because both cars are flat through the 2 corners leading up to it. The Ferrari destroys the Vette with cornering speed elsewhere.

I developed the Ferrari setup with default fuel and then realized I needed to take some out. Now there is abit of a balance issue that I need to correct, but I still managed 2:19.4 in the Ferrari. I could only muster a 2:23.2 in the Vette and I like to think my Vette setups are well developed with all the time I've spent in them. Somebody go prove me wrong. I'm going to try some other colors too including the White one.

[r.mestdag30]

What is good about the Ferrari?
- Much better tires
- Much better suspension
- 5 speed gearbox
- Better brakes
- Less fuel usage
- Less tire abuse
- Glorious sounds

What is good about the Vette?
- It's a scary looking mother if you're in the black one

Something's gotta give.

Which one would you rather race in? I would personally much rather drive the Vette, it's much more fun to drive, I guess most would agree on that,,,

PS: If some other car should replace the Ferrari on this, which should it be?

[Legzy]

Anybody else finding these two a mile apart like Mike?
More comparrison times would help.
Mike have a try in the L72... See how that compares please?

[r.mestdag30]

Anybody else finding these two a mile apart like Mike?
More comparrison times would help.
Mike have a try in the L72... See how that compares please?

I've just taken 5 laps in the L72 and I could easily do 2:19.5, the car itself is, predictably, a bit harder to drive though

[Mike Miller]

I just spent some time on the server with Matt. I drove all the different flavors of the Z06 and found the other colors (grey and white/blue) are the same. With a perfect lap, I managed a best of 2:22.4. Typically though, I was running low 2:23's. I jumped in the White #5 and found the handling better due to the rear bar adjustment and the extra power helped, but the real acchillies heal of the vette are those damn BFG tires. Those things stink to high heaven. It is close. With a perfect lap, I managed a 2:20.2. It should race well against the Ferrari with 3 mph top speed advantage. Top speed in the Ferrari was 150, regular Z06 is 151 and #5 ZO6 is 153.

I'm not proposing to remove the Ferrari or adding other cars. I'm sharing my findings. I didn't expect what I found. I didn't test the L72, but it would eat all the others for breakfast. It has far too much power to be on par with the Ferrari or Z06's.

[Mike Miller]

I just took 1 flying lap in the L72 and ran a 2:18.6 without any setup adjustments. It has tremendous power compared to the Ferrari. I'll try the #1 AATC Mustang.

[r.mestdag30]

I just took 1 flying lap in the L72 and ran a 2:18.6 without any setup adjustments. It has tremendous power compared to the Ferrari. I'll try the #1 AATC Mustang.

How about the Shelby 350 CASC?

[Wiltshire Tony]

Is it ok to continue practising with the Ferrari?

I don't have a lot of free time so I need to know that anytime I do spend is not going to be a wasted.

I'm not bothered by changes to the other car as I want to only drive the Ferrari.

[Mike Miller]

Again... I'm not suggesting we take the Ferrari out. I'm not suggesting anything other than the standard issue Z06's are considerably slower than the Ferrari. The ATCC Mustang is quite good actually. It may be too good in the right hands compared to the Ferrari. I managed a 2:19.6 after 12 laps, but the kicker is it's 156 mph top speed. Like the Ferrari, it has good tires too.

OK. I think I've stirred the pot too much. I'll leave you with my findings. Again, this is only my findings. Others may have different results.

[Legzy]

I just took 1 flying lap in the L72 and ran a 2:18.6 without any setup adjustments. It has tremendous power compared to the Ferrari.

How much more do you think you could take off that L72 time?
Also, I assume it's fairly heavy on tyres & fuel compared to fezza?

I'm always happy for someone to stir the pot if they are prepared to help improve the race & not just be negative... So just you carry on please.

[Mike Miller]

The L72 Vette would crush the Ferrari. I could probably get another second or two if I worked at it.