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  • i2s Laguna Seca: March 30, 2010
March 30, 2010, 09:13:27 AM +0100 - Laguna Seca (1988+) - iRacing Season 2 Skippy - @iRacing.com
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Incidents
Paul968
 Kerb Crawlers
Skip Barber SBF2000 (#36) SBF2k 1 1:38.958
81.425mph
1 40:03.168
80.470mph
24 21 1:39.173
81.249mph
BFGoodrich 9
Fred Basset
 Kerb Crawlers
Skip Barber SBF2000 (#36) SBF2k 2 +0.257
81.214mph
2 +4.230
80.329mph
24   1:39.582
80.915mph
BFGoodrich 1
Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer
 Team Shark
Skip Barber SBF2000 (#36) SBF2k 7 +0.732
80.827mph
3 +5.719
80.279mph
24   1:39.279
81.162mph
BFGoodrich  
Kerr
 Team Shark
Skip Barber SBF2000 (#37) SBF2k 5 +0.401
81.096mph
4 +7.053
80.235mph
24   1:39.219
81.211mph
BFGoodrich 6
Brendan
 Kerb Crawlers
Skip Barber SBF2000 (#36) SBF2k 6 +0.554
80.972mph
5 +7.402
80.223mph
24   1:38.931
81.447mph
BFGoodrich 4
Simmo
 Kerb Crawlers
Skip Barber SBF2000 (#36) SBF2k 4 +0.368
81.123mph
6 +20.011
79.806mph
24   1:39.116
81.295mph
BFGoodrich 12
Paul Thurston
 Epicurie Banana
Skip Barber SBF2000 (#36) SBF2k 12 +1.648
80.091mph
7 +44.126
79.020mph
24   1:40.637
80.067mph
BFGoodrich 2
Burtoner
 Team Shark
Skip Barber SBF2000 (#36) SBF2k 8 +1.196
80.453mph
8 (+2) +45.053
78.990mph
24   1:39.554
80.938mph
BFGoodrich 9
Adam Parle
 Legends Racing
Skip Barber SBF2000 (#36) SBF2k 13 +1.823
79.952mph
9 +45.260
78.983mph
24   1:39.931
80.632mph
BFGoodrich 9
purdie
 Legends Racing
Skip Barber SBF2000 (#36) SBF2k 10 +1.430
80.265mph
10 +48.841
78.868mph
24   1:40.290
80.344mph
BFGoodrich 9
popabawa
 Legends Racing
Skip Barber SBF2000 (#36) SBF2k 11 +1.573
80.151mph
11 +51.619
78.778mph
24   1:40.261
80.367mph
BFGoodrich 3
Ken Murray
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Skip Barber SBF2000 (#36) SBF2k 14 +2.140
79.702mph
12 (+2) +55.150
78.665mph
24   1:40.026
80.556mph
BFGoodrich 15
Simon Gymer
 Team Shark
Skip Barber SBF2000 (#36) SBF2k 15 +2.300
79.576mph
13 +13L 11   1:40.301
80.335mph
Disco
BFGoodrich 4
Mike Wrightson
 Team Shark
Skip Barber SBF2000 (#36) SBF2k 3 +0.364
81.127mph
14 +14L 10 3 1:39.576
80.920mph
Disco
BFGoodrich 4
ross.mcw
 Prodigy Racing
Skip Barber SBF2000 (#36) SBF2k 9 +1.281
80.385mph
15 (+2) +18L 6   1:41.011
79.770mph
Disco
BFGoodrich 6

Moderator's Report

Server replay time: 230s

Ken makes contact with Adam coming into the last turn.

Watching the replay, this is an odd one. It looks like Ken brakes in plenty of time and gets slowed down enough but then goes into the back of Adam with some very light contact.

It's fortunate, given the fragility of the cars, that Adam is OK to continue but as it's lap 1 I feel a penalty is appropriate.

  • Ken Murraypenalty — Rear End contact — 2 places lost


Server replay time: 641s

Ross attempts to overtake Ken into the last turn, appears not to get slowed down quite enough, runs a bit wide and starts to over-steer a little bringing him into contact with Ken.

It's difficult to see what Ken could have done differently, he spots the pass and leaves Ross plenty of room to complete the pass.

As such, the blame must lie with Ross and as this falls into the category of 'avoidable contact', I feel a penalty must be applied.


Server replay time: 747s

Robert makes contact with Ken on the exit of the last turn.

After recovering from a spin, Robert is passed by Simon and Ken into the turn. Ken is level and has the inside line under braking.

Rob then seems to try to contest the pass into the turn, completely fairly, leaving Ken plenty of space on the inside, but on exit he inexplicably moves back to the inside making contact with Ken who has left space for Rob on the outside.

My main concern with this incident is that Rob put himself in this position by contesting the pass when it should have been apparent he'd lost the place. Even though up to the point there was contact he's within his rights to do so and does so fairly. If you put yourself in an avoidable position where you make a small mistake and there's contact, the driver must take responsibility for that action.

As this is entirely avoidable contact, a penalty is appropriate.


Server replay time: 843s

Brian attempts to take the inside into T1 while Stuart takes his normal line, squeezing Brian across the track and there seems to be phantom contact forcing Brian to run off track.

Brian admitted it was maybe a slightly over-ambitious attempt at the pass but as far as I can see, no contact took place so it's difficult to assess a penalty, if the phantom contact hadn't occurred then there's a possibility the pass could have worked. Although Stuart was coming back across the track on his normal racing line, there was still quite a lot of track for Brian to work with.

If there had been 'proper' contact, Brian would possibly be assessed with a penalty, as it is, I'm reducing it to a warning.


Server replay time: 1146s

Mike goes into T1 a bit hot and starts to oversteer which leaves a big gap for Paul to go for.

Mike just about recovers but is not in 100% control and oversteers back into Paul making light contact.

Paul has gone for an entirely legitimate gap and Mike has done his best to control the car, I'm calling this is a racing incident.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 1982s

Going into T1 Rob starts to lose it and oversteer, which forces Andy to slow and do the same. Both recover control but have slowed considerbaly leaving Ken (who keeps control of the car) nowhere to go and he makes contact with Andy.

This is a racing incident due to a chain reaction of events, no driver did anything wrong.

  • Racing incident

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iRacing
SBF2k
1:38.958
81.425mph
Paul968
Qualifying
Skip Barber SBF2000March 30, 2010, 09:13:27 AM +0100
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« Reply #45 on: March 31, 2010, 10:30:36 AM +0100 »

Despite winning, that wasn't one of my better races no Like everyone else I seemed to struggle in qual, but clearly not as badly. Not sure if this is down to the issue of practice sessions not taking conditions into account like altitude? It would make sense if it was though. I was as surprised as Brian not to see him up the front, and it made the first few laps seem strange. I found it really hard to concentrate and started making silly little slips that had nothing to do with pushing too hard. In the end I got the corkscrew a bit wrong and got a slow down, which meant that Mike could get past. Luckily Gary and those behind were far enough back for me to keep 2nd. Followed Mike for a couple of laps and then had a little bit of a run down the start finish straight, which seemed to unsettle Mike and he went a bit wide at T1. I tucked in tight but as Mike came back in the 2nd half of the corner we got a big warp contact which spun him round into me  Sad At the time I didn't know it was warp, but did know it felt wrong. Mike unfortunately ended up in the gravel with a bent car but luckily I could keep going. Gary was kind enough not to push what would have been a tricky move at T2 (thx m8  Smiley and after that I was able to slowly pull out a lead and then cruise to the finish.

Well done to Gary and Dave, and hard luck to Mike, who was driving consistently fast early on and made it impossible for me to relax. Real shame that it ended as it did  Sad

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« Reply #46 on: March 31, 2010, 10:55:57 AM +0100 »

No worries, it would have been pretty tight and the incident with Mike and yourself looked strange to me too as I was following you.

Agreed, Mike was very unlucky, good drive mate.

Gary
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« Reply #47 on: March 31, 2010, 11:19:53 AM +0100 »

Not sure if this is down to the issue of practice sessions not taking conditions into account like altitude?

I still think that's psychosomatic. AFAIK nobody from iRacing has commented and IMHO people are imagining it. Roll Eyes laugh
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« Reply #48 on: March 31, 2010, 11:22:46 AM +0100 »

If it is then it's remarkably consistent. We see this in most races.
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« Reply #49 on: March 31, 2010, 11:32:24 AM +0100 »

If it is then it's remarkably consistent. We see this in most races.

We also see more cars on track at once and thus more network load. I think that's much more likely to be the cause of any discrepency than some nebulous 'different conditions' - especially as it also seems to hold true in other sims.

Of course iRacing could put the whole thing to rest by just posting that there are no physics differences between sessions. But as usual their idea of commuity is everyone but them.

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« Reply #50 on: March 31, 2010, 12:22:04 PM +0100 »

although I think it was a very minor racing incident to be honest. 

Me too, I did say small contact. No worries, these things happen.
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« Reply #51 on: March 31, 2010, 12:22:52 PM +0100 »

If it is then it's remarkably consistent. We see this in most races.

We also see more cars on track at once and thus more network load. I think that's much more likely to be the cause of any discrepency than some nebulous 'different conditions' - especially as it also seems to hold true in other sims.

Of course iRacing could put the whole thing to rest by just posting that there are no physics differences between sessions. But as usual their idea of commuity is everyone but them.

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I posted better times in qually than practice last night and did at Brands too from memory. I think its down to traffic etc, both times I ended up first car on the track with a clear road in front of me.

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« Reply #52 on: March 31, 2010, 12:24:04 PM +0100 »

If it is then it's remarkably consistent. We see this in most races.

I know I wasn't driving particularily well and we had full fuel, but I was a gear lower in the race on many parts of the track. It did liven up as the fuel load reduced.
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« Reply #53 on: March 31, 2010, 12:34:42 PM +0100 »

BTW, is anyone having trouble seeing hosted race results at the iRacing site? None are showing for me atm. Underneath the filter options it says Ken Murray Showing records 1-25 of 35 but there is nothing visible. I've tried refeshing the page a number of times.

Just did a quick search on the iR forum and seemingly it is an IE problem. The unnoficial solution is to use Firefox. I will try that later, I don't have Firefox on this laptop.
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« Reply #54 on: March 31, 2010, 01:30:08 PM +0100 »

Just did a quick search on the iR forum and seemingly it is an IE problem. The unnoficial solution is to use Firefox. I will try that later, I don't have Firefox on this laptop.
You could also try Google Chrome.  Good browser.
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« Reply #55 on: March 31, 2010, 01:41:36 PM +0100 »

Of course iRacing could put the whole thing to rest by just posting that there are no physics differences between sessions. But as usual their idea of commuity is everyone but them.
Has anyone asked them?

I've stuck a post into the tech support forum.  It's worth asking.  They may or may not answer.
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« Reply #56 on: March 31, 2010, 02:57:02 PM +0100 »

Start was very tight but made it through the first few corners, and was soon putting Brendan under serious pressure. During lap 3 I called over TeamSpeak that I thought he would chuck it off at some point and sure enough, on the next lap he obliged. laugh

LOL remember that, and he came out right infront of me!

My race, started 8th went bit hot into turn 2 going on the gravel alongside Dave, pasted Pops at corkscrew to go back to 10th at end of first lap, and set about getting higher up. Got stuck behind Andy and Ross only for them to both lose it at corkscrew and get upto 8th Smiley

When Dave over the team radio  Grin announced Brendan was going to bin it, and sure did, he came out right in front of me!  laugh

I half spun on 2nd last corner and went from 8th to 13th doh!

Battling well with Ken which I was faster and having the lead on him, to finally catch Andy Purdie up and past him too.
The last 3 laps were spent catching Adam Parle and passing him on the last lap at turn 1, to take a nice recoverable 8th place.
I could of caught Paul Thurston up if I had about 2 laps spare to go, so not a bad race, was eventful.

Pity i had about 2-3 spins costing maybe a 6th-8th place finish.

Think this was my move of the race Wink

http://www.burtoner.com/iracing/robvskencorkscrew.rpy <- Got to see  Grin

http://www.burtoner.com/iracing/andyandross.rpy <- Nice easy move on Andy and Ross at Corkscrew!  Grin
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« Reply #57 on: April 01, 2010, 02:13:44 PM +0100 »

I could of caught Paul Thurston up if I had about 2 laps spare to go, so not a bad race, was eventful.
Of course you'd then have had to get past as well.  There's no way you'd make that Corkscrew move stick twice. Tongue
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« Reply #58 on: April 01, 2010, 02:44:43 PM +0100 »

Incident summary report here:-

http://www.zensoftware.co.uk/downloads/temp/iracing/20100330.LagunaSeca.Skippy/incidents.htm
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« Reply #59 on: April 01, 2010, 04:57:11 PM +0100 »

Thanks Ross Smiley
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