iRacing S3 - car discussion - Upper series

[Simon Gymer]

Riley has so much support.

It does? 11 versus 6. Not great numbers tbh and if the total votes is a reflection of the entire driver base for the upper class then I think that highlights a different issue.

[spanner]

You only need to look at the attendance of the races which is about 18-20 and the voting count is 23 currently so not sure why you think theres such disparity.

[Simon Gymer]

You only need to look at the attendance of the races which is about 18-20 and the voting count is 23 currently so not sure why you think theres such disparity.

If 23 is the total pool of drivers, then in any average week you can say that at least 25% of those will not attend, which means you are looking at 17, which fits with stats from this season (attendances of 20, 18, 13, 19, making the average 17 and a bit) although I will speculate that the attendance for the egg race at the end of the season will see low attendance and bring that average down.

For longer races this really is on the cusp of worry imho because big tracks and long races mean you need a large grid to fit all skill levels. If this was GTR2 and the attendances were the same people would be voicing a little disquiet in regard to attendance levels.

My point on the DP is that it's not an overwhelming champion with just 11 votes. In regard to either option, if the people that didn't vote for it won't attend if it's the other option then the figures look much worse. We can't tell without a different poll that allows you to vote for all the options you would be prepared to race.

[Paul968]

It's overwhelming in the sense that the DP has nearly twice as many votes as it's rival. In the vast majority of elections that would be a major victory.

I take the point about the total numbers though. If people are not fussed either way though then they may not have voted.

[Legzy]

. If people are not fussed either way though then they may not have voted.

more likely they would have selected the "don't care" option.

I think Simon is making a very good point. From the number of votes made accross the two polls, the Mazda & Late model would likely give two varied drives & provide the fullest grids

[Ken Murray]

. If people are not fussed either way though then they may not have voted.

more likely they would have selected the "don't care" option.

I think Simon is making a very good point. From the number of votes made accross the two polls, the Mazda & Late model would likely give two varied drives & provide the fullest grids

I'm not so sure, that would only give you a field of 19 and 17. Remember the lower poll is on a "what would you be prepared to drive" basis. So we can only presume if you didn't vore for a car you won't be participating. This does of course mean we will have a minimum of 8 disaffected drivers.

[popabawa]

There's some misinterpretation of the results of the lower poll there I think.

I ticked the Mazda and Late Model, I would be prepared to drive either, but knowing only one of them would actually end up being raced. I don't want to race both of them.

I admit the car splits between upper and lower suit my interests of what I want to race but I think there's sound reasoning behind it too.

I'm still working this out to quite a large extent, there are a lot of options to consider, and more on the way and as you've seen from the discussions, there's not a high degree of agreement on anything unfortunately.

[purdie]

There are further problems 

....the newbies like me have limited experiences of the different cars etc so voting is quite straight-forward for the upper-class.... (the Indycar for me). Even that I have only raced in the league because my licence is still a C and I'm desperate to race in official races but too many crap Mazda races is preventing that 

Bought the DP last week but have done a handful of laps testing..... do love the Lotus 79 tho and have tested that quite a bit offline but Indycar would be a more sensible open-wheeled option.

As for replacing the enduro on a Sunday.... GTR2 is feeling old and no direct-replacement is on the horizon  and we may have to move with the times (MJ is gonna kill me) but you will instantly isolate a lot of SRou members

[Simon Gymer]

As for replacing the enduro on a Sunday.... GTR2 is feeling old and no direct-replacement is on the horizon  and we may have to move with the times (MJ is gonna kill me) but you will instantly isolate a lot of SRou members

Do we know having iRacing Endurance races on Sunday night would kill GTR2? They are not competing for server space so there is no technical problem with it, only a potential people conflict. Not saying I'm for or against it btw, just stating the facts.

Besides, doesn't have to be Sunday night. There's always Saturday night or afternoon or Sunday afternoon to try if we want to try and add more series (not that I'm suggesting we do, but we could).

[Kerr]

I'm very surprised to see the DP ahead of the Dallara. It's certainly more forgiving and friendly than the Dallara but does not have the same level excitement that goes with it.

As for putting GTR2 and iRacing head to head, neither would come out great with the current attendances as I see it.

Dare I say it, but GTR2s day has long gone. Even 18 months ago it was really tired and I'm surprised to see it hold out for so long.

Not going too deep back into the driving standards debate, but with a number of drivers attempting to run many series and games limiting it a little would only help standards in my opinion.

[purdie]

i think if iRacing had already introduced multi-class racing it would be easier to justify replacing GTR2.... i know i'm going a little  here 

but if we did I would do iR on Tues and Enduro Sundays and race PnG & GTL a lot more (no thurs).... but if I keep that up for an entire season I may be single though  lol

Also, I can't wait for the oval race in Indycars..... but then again I have never done an Indycar oval race 

[Blunder]

I'm very surprised to see the DP ahead of the Dallara. It's certainly more forgiving and friendly than the Dallara but does not have the same level excitement that goes with it.

I agree, changed my vote from Don't care to Dallara ! 

DP is great but Kerr said it all!

[Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer]

I'm very surprised to see the DP ahead of the Dallara. It's certainly more forgiving and friendly than the Dallara but does not have the same level excitement that goes with it.

That depends where you want your excitement. The problem with the IndyCar is that if you're not 100% on top of it, most of the excitement comes from not knowing whether you're going to finish each lap with all four wheels still attached. You can't do much racing in it like that. The DP may not be as exciting to hustle round (though IMHO it is - if only because I can push it more with less fear) but it's massively better to race, precisely because it leaves you some concentration above just driving it, so that you can race it.

As for putting GTR2 and iRacing head to head, neither would come out great with the current attendances as I see it.

I checked to see who was running in both, and we stand to lose about 25% participation in one or the other if they run in the same slot. Given that we pay the same for the dedicated server regardless of how many people or series run on it, I don't want to do anything that might leave us in the position of struggling to collect enough donations to pay for it - when we can't do that, we'll have to kill it - and all the championships that depend on it - off.

The other issue with iRacing 'replacing' UKGTR etc is that even if it had multi-car capability, there just isn't the variety of cars and tracks available, and people will get bored after a few of seasons.

[Simon Gymer]

That depends where you want your excitement. The problem with the IndyCar is that if you're not 100% on top of it, most of the excitement comes from not knowing whether you're going to finish each lap with all four wheels still attached. You can't do much racing in it like that. The DP may not be as exciting to hustle round (though IMHO it is - if only because I can push it more with less fear) but it's massively better to race, precisely because it leaves you some concentration above just driving it, so that you can race it.

I think that obviously depends on the driver because I find the DP far more ready to bite me than the Dallara is so it's obvious that different driving styles and mentalities and setups mean different cars suit different people so you can't definitively say one is better for x or y than an another.

I like them both, but as Kerr says the Dallara is just so exciting compared to anything else. For me it's the best car ever made in any sim so far, but that's just me. It's everything I want in a sim-racing car AND I can see out the cockpit properly to see where the front wheels are unlike the DP where I have no idea where the edges of the car are or how close to taking Pops out of a race I am.