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  • S19A Mexico City: March 30, 2010
April 03, 2010, 12:03:02 AM +0100 - Mexico City (1962-1979) - UKGPL Season 19 (2010) Amateurs Trophy (65)
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
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EvilClive
 HikiWazaRacing
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 1 1:51.141
100.653mph
1 37:41.636
98.925mph
20 1:52.225
99.680mph
Goodyear  
FullMetalGasket
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 2 +0.597
100.115mph
2 +7.812
98.585mph
20 1:51.731
100.121mph
Goodyear  
john roberts
 
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 3 +0.665
100.054mph
3 +14.068
98.314mph
20 1:52.481
99.454mph
Goodyear  
G Jonsson
 
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 4 +1.292
99.496mph
4 +30.399
97.613mph
20 1:53.189
98.831mph
Goodyear  
NickyIckx
 Antipasti Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 6 +1.808
99.041mph
5 +31.639
97.560mph
20 1:52.996
99.000mph
Goodyear  
Clutch4
 Mountside Racing
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 8 +2.658
98.302mph
6 +45.242
96.985mph
20 1:53.857
98.252mph
Dunlop  
kinghiro
 Clark-Hill Racing
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 5 +1.746
99.096mph
7 +49.540
96.805mph
20 1:53.562
98.507mph
Dunlop  
Al Heller
 Clark-Hill Racing
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 7 +2.140
98.751mph
8 +52.124
96.697mph
20 1:54.002
98.127mph
Dunlop  
fpolicardi
 Team7
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 12 +5.116
96.223mph
9 +56.677
96.507mph
20 1:53.042
98.960mph
Goodyear  
JamesRye
 Reed Racing
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 9 +3.064
97.952mph
10 +1:05.645
96.135mph
20 1:54.185
97.969mph
Dunlop  
b_1_rd
 Clark-Hill Racing
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 10 +3.532
97.552mph
11 +1:05.911
96.124mph
20 1:54.156
97.994mph
Dunlop  
Phil Thornton
 Antipasti Racing
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 13 +6.600
95.011mph
12 +1L
90.645mph
19 1:56.547
95.984mph
Dunlop  
bernie
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 11 +4.039
97.123mph
13 +16L
92.766mph
4 1:56.562
95.972mph
Disco
Dunlop  
2 UKGPL_T7
 
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 14 14 DNS ---
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Dunlop  

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Summary

A flag to flag victory for Evil Clive confirming his dominance in qualifying. Tim Muttram battled hard to pick up second place with John Roberts securing the final podium place.


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Evil Clive – Main Straight – Laps 3, 4 and 5

When trying to make a break at the front of the pack, Evil moves off the racing line and back on again whilst being tailed by John Roberts down the main straight.

The rules clearly state that blocking and weaving is not allowed but the rules do allow a driver to move off the racing line and back on again once per straight section (see the rules on Etiquette and the Penalty Guidelines on Blocking/Weaving). The rules are intended to cater for situations where a driver may be in a position to overtake, they are not intended to apply to situations where a car is a long way back (as a rule of thumb greater than five car lengths would constitute a long way back).

By the letter of the law, Clive did nothing wrong; he only moved off the racing line and back on once, and in all cases the following car was at least five car lengths behind anyway. However weaving in order to break the tow is not a tactic we wish to encourage at UKGPL. Rather than create a rule for this sort of scenario, in the interests of close, safe racing drivers are requested not to weave in order to break a tow. If weaving to break a tow becomes widespread, a rule outlawing it may have to be introduced.

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« on: March 29, 2010, 09:22:15 PM +0100 »

Season 19 Amateurs Trophy - Round 1 - Mexico City

Welcome to the Season 19 opener for the 65 divisions, in particular the Amateurs. Round 1 of the new season takes place at the highest circuit of the season in front of the lines of armed police with the dark sunglasses and only white tyres for protection.

Mexico has a very difficult T1 for a full grid, and accidents to the outside or at the chicane tend to come back onto the track because of the barriers and notorious polos. The wide Start Finish straight tempts the unwary into trying to go two or even three abreast but be careful and don't forget that lap 1 incidents attract an extra penalty place.

Tyres are cold at the start, your control will suffer- and if you are on the inside be aware that there may be a car outside you, if on the outside don't get stuck on the armco.   

Reserve drivers should not join until there are only 30 mins of qualifying left and all drivers should not go out on track until there are 30 minutes of qualifying left as this helps all drivers join the server successfully.

Please restrict chat to pit messages only including at the end of the race until ALL drivers still racing have crossed the line.

Don't forget to use the updated 65 mod for this race.

Please be in the IGOR UKGPL chatroom by 8:55 p.m.
(You will need to set up a channel called #ukgpl if you haven't already done so)
IGOR and Race passwords: see above

Server = 7.UKGPL
Server = UKGPL_T7_2
IP address = 62.149.202.168
Race Date = 30-03-2010
Time = 21:00
Track = Mexico City
Variant = 65F1
Damage Model = Pro
Qually Time = 30 minutes.
Race Length = Long
Password: see above

Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page

As usual for 65s we are again allocating drivers with a chassis to use throughout the season. The only permitted changes will be those agreed by the moderator. We want to promote good close racing and an exciting Championship so anybody either running away with it or falling behind will be considered for a change of chassis either up or down.

To give drivers some free choice in the chassis they drive for the season we have split the cars into groups based on average performance and split the drivers into groups based on average ability. The chassis numbers for Amateurs are as follows:

AMATEUR CHASSIS GROUPS
1 - Lotus, Ferrari
2 - BRM, Honda
3 - BT11
4 - Cooper
5 - BT7

Each driver has been given a seeding number and must pick a chassis with either an equal number or higher number but not a lower number. For example, if a driver is given a seeding of 2, he must pick one of the cars in group 2 (BRM or Honda) but if he would prefer to drive either the BT11, Cooper or BT7 he may do so. This means that a driver given a seeding of 1 can pick any chassis he prefers.

**NOTE**
Whichever chassis a driver begins race 1 with is the chassis he must use for the remainder of the season unless a change has been agreed with the moderator.

The driver seedings are as follows:

AMATEUR DRIVERS AND GROUPS
FULL TIME
1 Phil
3 EvilClive
1 Bernie
3 John Roberts
3 FullMetal
1 b_1_rd
4 turkeymachine
3 policardi
2 al heller
1 Nicky
1 clutch
2 kinghiro
2 g jonsson
2 Jimmy Rye
2 natan

RESERVES
5 Hristo
1 Bartosz
1 Asbjeurn
1 Ruud

Please use the updated 65 mod for this race which is available here:
Jamesonline.net/UKGPL
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« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2010, 09:59:11 PM +0100 »

Fulvio's server wasn't letting me in, it was timing out. I tried everything I could think of, but it didn't help.

It's not something on my side because I can connect to other servers just fine. It's nothing to do with my firewall settings or whatever. I doubt my ISP is denying me access to the server's region, it was working perfectly OK in previous races whenever we used it. I could ping it just fine now as well, but GPL was timing out regardless.

Hope it's fixed until next race or another server is used...
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« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2010, 10:47:31 PM +0100 »

Please get it sorted out Hristo!!  Undecided

 or else, I shall have to win more races in that embarrasing green thing!!! Roll Eyes
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« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2010, 10:51:04 PM +0100 »

Sorry to hear about your troubles Hristo.

Qualy:

over a second of my novice qualy time.

Race.

great start (with massive slide) up to P6 behind clutch who I was following nicely for about the first 5 laps. Thought I'd have the pace to hold onto a nice finish. Then the car starts getting very twitchy and the rest of the race it may as well have been the Honda. Couldn't keep up and was passed and demoted to P7 around half way through. Then P8. I held onto the P8 car (al heller?) and repassed him in T1 only to spin off on acceleration later in the lap.

I knocked my tires on the concrete to the outside of the pit wall but I dont think that I damaged my car. For the rest of the race I had mental oversteer on entry to the chicane and had to really slow down my entry. Anyway, down in P11, someone inspected the grass which promoted me to P10. Then Steve Bird was all over me in the final lap and we crossed the line seperated by a few tenths.

Never looked to have the pace here but had an enjoyable race as plenty happened. Have never raced on the next two tracks so that'll be fun.  Grin Very happy to have seen the chequered flag as I haven't completed an online race for a Looong time.

If there is a shortage of anyone driving any car then I will happily drive what I am told.

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« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2010, 11:04:42 PM +0100 »

Fulvio's server wasn't letting me in, it was timing out. I tried everything I could think of, but it didn't help.

It's not something on my side because I can connect to other servers just fine. It's nothing to do with my firewall settings or whatever. I doubt my ISP is denying me access to the server's region, it was working perfectly OK in previous races whenever we used it. I could ping it just fine now as well, but GPL was timing out regardless.

Hope it's fixed until next race or another server is used...

I'm really sorry H, I'll investigate if Gamesclan admins have filtered IP coming from your area. Can you PM me if you have a fixed IP and what ISP have you?
You could join on 24th March, but on last Sunday you raced on Nicky server so we don't know if it's today problem or what.
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« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2010, 07:57:17 AM +0100 »

May be totally unrelated but I had a problem joining servers some time back.  If the server had a password, I couldn't join.  All other servers were ok.  That was AVG anti-virus causing me problems.  As soon as I switched Anti-virus programme it was sorted.  So may not be the server.

The race - Nothing special for me.  Wasn't feeling 100% after injuring my back earlier in the day so was lacking a bit of enthusiasm.  Had a nice little tussle with James Rye towards the end, good clean close driving.  James got the better of me in the end though so well done to him.

Grats to the podium.
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« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2010, 09:53:19 AM +0100 »

Well, I never had a problem with this or any other server before yesterday, and there were not changes on either side (supposedly), so I don't know. I could join fine at the Novices server which was also passworded. I've sent a PM to Fulvio and hopefully we can sort it out before the next race.
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« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2010, 01:23:53 PM +0100 »

Couldn't keep up with the Brabhams ahead which at first I put down purely to my own lack of pace but I spent almost the whole race lapping with fellow-BRM drivers Ryeman & King Hiro (both quick guys in my view) so realised I can't be going all that slowly! A recovering Nicky passed all 3 of us pretty easily & his Brabham certainly looked to be handling the Mexican twisty bits really nicely compared to the BRM.

My race went OK really - I dropped a few places at the start when King Hiro had a slow getaway ahead of me. Ended up in a stalemate situation behind Ryeman, neither losing ground nor gaining & so when teammate King Hiro caught me up I didn't make it too hard for him to pass as I wondered if he could catch Ryeman & perhaps drag me along too. Was quite fun watching their battle which ended when Ryeman had a spin - after that I was back in a stalemate but this time with my teammate so it wasn't so bad Wink Congrats to the podium & also to Nicky who drove a great recovery.

One thing though, the Am's registration thread said the races would be 50 minutes but this race was set as "Pro-long" which ended up being 37 minutes. That felt rather short to me - I'd much prefer a 50 minute race (but I suspect I'm in a minority on that one). Will all the other races be "long" rather than 50 minutes?
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« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2010, 01:40:44 PM +0100 »

Personally, I enjoyed the shorter length of race.

'Couldn't keep up with the Brabhams ahead which at first I put down purely to my own lack of pace but I spent almost the whole race lapping with fellow-BRM drivers Ryeman & King Hiro'

The BRM will surely be too the faster car  Wink at Rouen, Zeltweg and Watkins Glen, but those boys at the front are tough to match, let alone beat! The BRM was a blighter around Mexico, the first half of the lap was fine, but the second half was impossible with the front wheels scrubbing across the track. I tried to compensate by shifting the brake balance to 51% which is as far back as I have ever gone.

I noticed in practice that someone seemed to be struggling with lock through the chicane. If you lower the steering ratio to 11 or 12, you will find you can make the tight turns.

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« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2010, 01:45:41 PM +0100 »

 Very frustrating for Hristo not being able to join server, and unnerving for those of us trying to get pole in quali looking over our shoulders for a classic Hristo one lap flyer!!.

As it transpired, I finally managed to nail a half decent lap in the BT11 which, let us say, is a bit different to a real racing car like the Waza  Roll Eyes It is most disconcerting when the car one is driving actually goes where it is asked to go, after years of coaxing a change of direction with judicious application of throttle or steering lock.
 Although I just claimed pole with the one lap I hooked up, it was far from perfect and I felt frustrated not to get close to, or below, 1:50... maybe a good tow would have helped??.

Sitting on pole with Tim and John waiting to pounce was nerve wracking, so I held the defensive inside line into T1 and emerged still in front..just.
I pushed very hard for the first lap to try and get 1 sec gap on 2nd place and avoid being slipstreamed down the straight, which worked in keeping John at bay.

The next few laps John was keeping the pressure on and I was equally keen to try and break the tow. It took about 3-4 laps before John blinked and the gap grew to about 3 secs.

After that I concentrated on getting smooth consistant laps ( ha!! thats a joke!!) and growing the gap, whilst Tim hassled John for 2nd spot. Once Prib showed 10 secs as I crossed the s/f line I eased back and just cruised to the finish, somewhat surprised at getting a win on my first outing in a green thingy.
But I guess it shows that Waza training works in any car???
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« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2010, 01:53:47 PM +0100 »

I pushed very hard for the first lap to try and get 1 sec gap on 2nd place and avoid being slipstreamed down the straight, which worked in keeping John at bay.

I didn't think weaving was allowed in ukgpl races and this type of driving to be totally unacceptable in a league races .

if this type of driving is to be allowed then I will no longer be driving in ukgpl .

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« Reply #11 on: March 31, 2010, 06:24:30 PM +0100 »

One thing though, the Am's registration thread said the races would be 50 minutes but this race was set as "Pro-long" which ended up being 37 minutes. That felt rather short to me - I'd much prefer a 50 minute race (but I suspect I'm in a minority on that one). Will all the other races be "long" rather than 50 minutes?
It should have been 50 mins and it will be sorted for the next race.
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« Reply #12 on: March 31, 2010, 06:28:10 PM +0100 »

I pushed very hard for the first lap to try and get 1 sec gap on 2nd place and avoid being slipstreamed down the straight, which worked in keeping John at bay.
I didn't think weaving was allowed in ukgpl races and this type of driving to be totally unacceptable in a league races .
Rules are clear  Defensive driving YES weaving NO.  Read bullet point 4 etiquette

Don't debate here please - use the incident reporting procedures.
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« Reply #13 on: March 31, 2010, 07:17:57 PM +0100 »

JR, it's amusing you complain of dirty driving when I've even lost count of how many times you hit me or blocked me in Qualifying and attempted to do so in races just for me to recognize on time and avoid collision...

I suggest you look at your own driving before you comment on others. As far as I'm concerned Evil is a much cleaner and conscious driver than you and the history and stats of accidents in previous seasons proves it.
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« Reply #14 on: March 31, 2010, 07:23:34 PM +0100 »

JR, it's amusing you complain of dirty driving when I've even lost count of how many times you hit me or blocked me in Qualifying and attempted to do so in races just for me to recognize on time and avoid collision...

I suggest you look at your own driving before you comment on others. As far as I'm concerned Evil is a much cleaner and conscious driver than you and the history and stats of accidents in previous seasons proves it.

why don't you shut up like Phil said ?

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