UKGTR Season 12 Upper Endurance (GT1/GT2) - Potrero - Apr 18

[Berger R - 74]

Q.1...R.1

not my favourite track, and i did my first laps with soft tyres and low fuel in quali.
the race was not good, after i saw that race end after 22laps i was not sure if i must do a pitstop?? then any did say "yes" and i was not sure what to do.
in 1st lap i was in front of ruskus in his marcos, i was more then 1 sec. in front, but in long straigths he nearly did overtake me, this car is a rocket in straights, looks like 50hp more,
but in corners it looks totaly different, ruskus had no chance against aston and so i did drive away, but i did many ugly laps, i was to much thinking and i did change in xd my strategy 2xtimes.
ruskus did early pit and i did my pit in lap 12 (all tyres was under 10% out, normaly 22laps was not problem without change), but i did change all 4 tyres, because i saw that ruskus was 1min behind and this gap must be enough, fuel i did no need for 22laps, i did start with 100l (to much).
i was in 4th postion after stop, ruskus was perhaps 12 sec. behind and the 3 cars in front did no stop in this time, i do close gap quick and then i was behind H@lo which was the leader, but i was not sure if he know that race end early and do make pitstop, so i did try to overtake, after any time this i did, but then suddently did stand or drive extrem slow a GT2 class car (think porsche) in the raceline and i must brake hard and H@lo did spin, because of hard brake.
then i did drive race home.
hope i must drive this track not again.

servus

[phspok]

My stop was planned for 55 mins, and we didn't get there, the main page said 80 mins, I didn't look at the race time
in game.

[ginsters sponsored]

Don't worry yourself Pete

Any ideas what's happening on attendance? That's the 2nd race in a row with only 15 drivers

Just a general apathy I believe. More imprortantly, how are you gonna turn it around? Some new tracks/cars would liven it up but  some new ideas would be more exciting for me. The PnG turnout surely proves that there is life in GTR yet?

[Simon Gymer]

IMHO league racing is not about what tracks you are running it's about what type of racing you're having so adding loads of new buggy tracks to the mix won't help. I was going to join the race last week as I was free and at a loose end, but when I saw the street circuit track choice I thought no thanks, streets circuits suck and you'll never change my mind on that. The fewer street circuits we do the better, they are rubbish for racing.

Adding the third party addon cars to GTR2 has imho made the game worse. They don't fit properly, don't work properly and don't mix properly with the other cars.  Adding a new series of cars completely might gain more interest again though, e.g. prototypes or a series for 90s GT1 cars, but then it's not really GTR2, it's Prototype Challenge or whatever you want to call it. Which is fine, but just making the point you may have to think about whole new types of car series to replace the existing series of cars.

For me after 11+ seasons of racing GT cars in GTR/2 my interest has waned for the time being. That and I simply don't have the time or will power to do more than one racing game at once anymore. However UKGPL is a testament to the longevity of something good so I don't think it's dead at all.

I would also point out that sometimes there are the odd race or two in a row where the attendance drops and then magically you'll get 25 the next week, so I only think you can read something into attendance after a whole season.

PnG doesn't prove anything about GTR2 because they are totally different games so I think you're barking up the wrong tree trying to conclude that because the historic racing using the GTR2 game is doing well it means GTR2 should do too. Fact is PnG is new-ish and GTR2 is now getting long in the tooth. I suspect that's cause it's cars people want to drive, which is why I suggest you may want to look at a whole new series of cars like prototypes.

I also don't think cooking up some tokens scheme or whatever is going to do anything for attendances, you need to keep championships simple not complex as these schemes designed to liven up the points system just put people off.

[Truetom]

Adding the third party addon cars to GTR2 has imho made the game worse. They don't fit properly, don't work properly and don't mix properly with the other cars.

Sorry, I disagree. For me, adding 2006 mod felt what was missing from the game. New cars are different, some more, some less and some are not really perfect. But I like them. And, like Jure said, F430 feels like a racing car should feel - imho.   Ford GT was great and C6R also, and DBR9, and ... and driving Marcos is a completely new experience.   I feel if I we didn't add 2006 mod, I'd lose interest.   Also, I'm quite satisfied with balancing the new and old set of cars.

As for PnG: I just wan't to drive 906 and IROC was logical prolongation. Not sure for other things, I'll just pop up to the interesting car / track combos.  

[Jayblue]

I have seen lots of GTR2 leagues start having poor turn outs and TBH i think it is just to be expected with the age of the game. I think a lot have moved on to Iracing or are just waiting for the next big thing before they revive their involvement in weekly leagues. For me personally i can always make at least one event here every two weeks, at the moment i am doing a league elsewhere every other saturday and it takes a lot of time to prepare and be competitive in it. Also after taking all of sat night out from my family i don't like to do the same on Sunday too 

I have to say i think the cars we have added are pretty even and definitely don't detract from the game from my point of view. Track selection is also not a problem for me, i like doing some new tracks now and then and the ones we have raced are pretty good! Low turn out could just be down to the weather improving too as summer approaches.

[Mark J]

i agree with TT and strongly disagree with shark   The newer cars and tracks added a whole new dimension to a sim that is now quite long in the tooth. It was getting very boring with the same cars and same old tracks week after week and i'm a die-hard racing fanatic !!. This new fleet of cars livened it all up and updated the era of racing that we could use. As TT mentions, there are some great cars in the new pack. They arent as polished as the professional sim makers cars but they are damn fine efforts for enthusiastic amateurs who made them. If anything we are holding back interest levels by not using car updates as there are some in circulation for quite a while now that we havent tried.  Pilsbierbude seem to still have great attendances and thats because they run such a great variety of cars and tracks.

I hope the last two low turnouts are just a blip. I believe Edmonton was low as it sucks but thought more would be up for Potrero  

Perhaps some recruiting on No-grip etc might help as well as investigating some tested add-on cars, Audi R8 etc?

[Simon Gymer]

i agree with TT and strongly disagree with shark

 

[Truetom]

Trolling?

[ginsters sponsored]

Is this result going to stand?

[Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer]

Is this result going to stand?

Sorry, not been paying attention, but despite the short length it got to over half distance, and with the teeny turnout I can't honestly see anyone being up for a rerun!

[ginsters sponsored]

with the teeny turnout I can't honestly see anyone being up for a rerun!

Agreed, I don't think a rerun is necessary. However, I don't think the result should stand as part of the championship. Pretty sure Pete said that some took a pitstop and others didn't and I'm sure that some (including me) fueled/pitted for the 80 mins unaware what was going on.

[Mark J]

yeah i dont think it should stand either. I had full race fuel strategy (55mins and 30) and it was only trying to rapidly last minute adjust my fuel level down on track that caused my engine to cut out and lost about 5 track positions.
Plus the start was a balls up.

Just a thought but could the two concurrent enduro series be causing too few spread over both championships? Might be worth dropping the GTC/G3 enduro (or adding them to the GT1/GT2 series) Might mean people not wanting to lose their racing full stop, make the effort to join the 1 series. 

[Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer]

Just a thought but could the two concurrent enduro series be causing too few spread over both championships? Might be worth dropping the GTC/G3 enduro (or adding them to the GT1/GT2 series) Might mean people not wanting to lose their racing full stop, make the effort to join the 1 series.  

Something Legzy might want to consider for the future - whether to go back to what we did in Season 11 and run a single series each Season, alternating between different sets of classes (or run Season 13A and then Season 13B sequentially instead of interleaved with each other).

[Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer]

Poll added as to whether the result should stand. Please vote if you took part, and please do not vote if you didn't (unless it's for the 'I didn't take part' option ). If the result stands, we will have to add some sort of time penalty for the drivers who hadn't made their stop.