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April 22, 2010, 08:44:02 PM +0100 - Brands Hatch (GP) - UKPnG Version 2 Season 2 Shot Glass Challenge
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Ade
 Kerb Crawlers
Lotus Elite (#63039) P&G Group 3 U2L 6 +3.340
79.756mph
1 50:13.301
78.308mph
27 1:49.819
79.581mph
Dunlop  
ginsters sponsored
 Kerb Crawlers
Ford Mustang Gr5 (#68091) P&G Group 5 1 1:46.237
82.264mph
2 +9.946
78.050mph
27 1:46.879
81.770mph
Dunlop  
Mark J
 Legends Racing
Lotus Elite (#63039) P&G Group 3 U2L 9 +3.890
79.358mph
3 +15.050
77.919mph
27 1:50.147
79.344mph
Dunlop  
Geoffers
 Kerb Crawlers
Lotus Elite (#63039) P&G Group 3 U2L 8 +3.545
79.607mph
4 +17.564
77.854mph
27 1:50.489
79.098mph
Dunlop  
API
 Team Oldie Racing
Lotus Elite (#63039) P&G Group 3 U2L 13 +5.381
78.298mph
5 +18.868
77.821mph
27 1:50.661
78.975mph
Dunlop  
pribeiro
 Prodigy Racing
Lotus Elite (#61108) P&G Group 3 U2L 14 +5.391
78.291mph
6 +33.674
77.442mph
27 1:51.419
78.438mph
Dunlop  
spanner
 Prodigy Racing
Lotus Elite (#63022) P&G Group 3 U2L 12 +5.262
78.381mph
7 +47.312
77.097mph
27 1:51.158
78.622mph
Dunlop  
goldtop
 Kerb Crawlers
Lotus Elite (#63022) P&G Group 3 U2L 10 +4.225
79.117mph
8 +50.365
77.021mph
27 1:50.873
78.824mph
Dunlop  
FullMetalGasket
 Black Night Racing
Lotus Elite (#63039) P&G Group 3 U2L 16 +6.510
77.514mph
9 +51.147
77.001mph
27 1:51.386
78.461mph
Dunlop  
Legzy
 Team Oldie Racing
Ford Mustang Gr5 (#68091) P&G Group 5 3 +2.210
80.587mph
10 +57.159
76.850mph
27 1:48.055
80.880mph
Dunlop  
Clive Loynes
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Ford Mustang Gr5 (#68091) P&G Group 5 4 +2.377
80.463mph
11 +1:13.724
76.438mph
27 1:49.414
79.875mph
Dunlop  
phspok
 Team Pseudo Racing
Ford Mustang Gr2 (#65104) P&G Group 2 5 +2.534
80.347mph
12 +1:28.384
76.076mph
27 1:48.583
80.486mph
Firestone  
Tibernius
 Prodigy Racing
Lotus Elite (#63039) P&G Group 3 U2L 11 +4.518
78.908mph
13 +1:31.848
75.992mph
27 1:51.838
78.144mph
Dunlop  
Hotkeys
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Lotus Elite (#61107) P&G Group 3 U2L 15 +5.839
77.978mph
14 +1:44.637
75.680mph
27 1:52.241
77.863mph
Dunlop  
mr_oily
 Prodigy Racing
Ford Mustang Gr5 (#68091) P&G Group 5 7 +3.383
79.725mph
15 +1L
74.918mph
26 1:48.766
80.351mph
Dunlop  
Alex vV
 Gentlemen Drivers Club
Lotus Elite (#60043) P&G Group 3 U2L 19 +9.578
75.460mph
16 +15.917
74.527mph
26 1:54.558
76.288mph
Dunlop  
Sandor M
 Gentlemen Drivers Club
Lotus Elite (#63039) P&G Group 3 U2L 17 +7.234
77.019mph
17 +1:14.994
73.111mph
26 1:53.738
76.838mph
Dunlop  
Paul968
 Kerb Crawlers
Ford Mustang Gr5 (#68091) P&G Group 5 2 +1.137
81.393mph
18 +11L 16 1:48.036
80.894mph
unknown
Dunlop  
jpv
 Kerb Crawlers
Lotus Elite (#63039) P&G Group 3 U2L 18 +7.734
76.681mph
19 +12L 15 1:53.806
76.793mph
unknown
Dunlop  
seniordan
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Lotus Elite (#63039) P&G Group 3 U2L 20 +10.842
74.646mph
20 +17L 10 1:55.457
75.694mph
suspension
Dunlop  
BillThomas
 Kerb Crawlers
Lotus Elite (#61108) P&G Group 3 U2L 21 +11.378
74.306mph
21 +24L 3 1:55.883
75.416mph
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Dunlop  
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82.264mph
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« on: April 17, 2010, 11:03:25 PM +0100 »

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Practice 1: 19:20 (~60 mins)
Qual 2: 20:20 (20 mins)
Race: 20:40 (27 laps (~40mins)) note: no warmup!

Cars allowed: Lotus Elite  Vs  Mustang NTK gr5  Vs  Mustang BSCC Gr2 (ATCC)

Weather: Dry
Track:  UKGTR Brands Hatch 2005 GP (v1.0.1.0)
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Start: STANDING

Tyre wear: x2
Fuel consumption: x2

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« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2010, 11:06:35 PM +0100 »

You might have just seen the available cars & thought "That's an odd line up"... and you'd be right.

We've tried this format once before & I was gutted to miss it, so it's back angel... it's going to be a bit of a 'tortoise & hare' type race.... but where the fastest Elite+Mustang drivers finish together (I hope).


Please pay extra attention to the race details for this one.
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« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2010, 11:13:07 PM +0100 »

p.s. last time the Alpine had too big an advantage (i.e. its oponent the Mustang didn't make up enough time every lap to cover it's pit stop length), I fully anticipate this will be closer... if anything I'm worried the Mustang might have the edge this time. Undecided


Please please can you do me a favour in the next couple of days if you do any testing & post your times for both cars. I will very quickly then be able to see if the ATCC is too quick & downgrade it to the TransAM or BSCC Gr5.

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« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2010, 01:22:44 AM +0100 »

Isn't there a cheaty ATCC with something like 400 horsepower? It is the white one if memory serves me right.
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« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2010, 11:22:58 AM +0100 »

I'll be glad when you get this out of your system Legzy, 'cos I think it sucks.  Mainly because all the people who select the Lotus will ram into the back of those in Mustangs in the first few corners and totally destroy the whole "finely balanced" concept.

My best is 1:46 in the ATCC #1 on its white spot tyres and 1:53 in the Elite.  Should give me time for a shower and change of overalls, never mind tyres!  Grin

It's also a bit of a bugger if we have to wait until Wednesday night before we find out which cars are going to be allowed.

Why couldn't we just have an Elite race or a Mustang race or a Jaguar Owners Day?  LOL

Oh!  And I can't stand tortoises either.  Tongue

Not that it matters much as two of my three test sessions have ended with a screen freeze.

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« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2010, 02:10:48 PM +0100 »

That strikes me as a good mustang laptime  Shocked but a carp Elite time Tongue
I could do with a couple more times people when you can, particularly those who can excel in the elite. Sooner they come in, the sooner I can fix the mustang model (we don't want Clive waiting till Wednesday to find out Wink)
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« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2010, 04:07:21 PM +0100 »

Had a couple of dozen laps here and my best so far is a 1:50.5xx. I should be able to get that down slightly with more practice, but it's a tricky track to be consistently quick in the Elite. A nice slow Mustang then please Legzy Wink
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« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2010, 05:07:22 PM +0100 »

That strikes me as a good mustang laptime  Shocked but a carp Elite time Tongue

LOL

Perhaps there is a sneaky fast Elite with sticky boots as well?

I can't get the setups out to the lads if I don't know which cars to use.

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EuK!  Someone please tell Legzy what he wants to know about the Elite.  Another test session and another screen freeze with the gutless understeering heap now logged.  I never get to save my setups because I have to hit the reset but still not bettered a high 53.

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If Legzy gets this right on the basis of qualifying times I shall be amazed.

Whereas the Elite is its normal turgid self if run from now until doomsday, the tyre wear and heating on the Mustangs lead to all manner of changes.  I find that I cannot do as good a TT lap as I can practice because the TT lap starts with all the tyres in the green zone.  The first lap is no use because I can’t start it at the right pace and on the second lap the tyre balance is all pollocks!
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« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2010, 01:30:30 PM +0100 »

Had a couple of dozen laps here and my best so far is a 1:50.5xx. I should be able to get that down slightly with more practice, but it's a tricky track to be consistently quick in the Elite.

Do you have a MoTeC data file for that lap please Tudor?

I want to know where the other three seconds are lurking!

You must be flat through something that I think is a corner.

I'll swap you an ATCC lap.  Grin
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« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2010, 01:51:17 PM +0100 »

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« Reply #10 on: April 19, 2010, 06:05:29 PM +0100 »

Yep, ta and so do you.

And I'm getting all excited...................

Only another two days before we find out what we can drive!
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« Reply #11 on: April 19, 2010, 07:28:23 PM +0100 »

Did a few laps in both. Best in the Elite was a 49.8, which would come down a bit with practice. In the ATCC I got a 44.7 but that was on white spot tyres which disappear at an alarming rate. On harder rubber the laptime would probably be a bit slower - not sure how much though. I had About 6 gallons in the elite and 11 in the ATCC.
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« Reply #12 on: April 19, 2010, 07:42:10 PM +0100 »

White ATCC 1:47.2
White Elite   1:53.2

Took me 7 laps to get a complete one in with Elite, so I got bored and quit. Never liked Elite
Tried the Blue ATCC with less power, and was around 2 secs slower in it
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« Reply #13 on: April 19, 2010, 10:23:25 PM +0100 »

OK thanks all, enough of you have shown that I can't drive a Stang for carp. Roll Eyes
The ATCC (with your times) is obviously too fast, so I've added some other Stangs to the mix to test. I'm going on the server now for some testing with Spanner if you're bored... Smiley

I'll make a call tonight/2moz. Undecided
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« Reply #14 on: April 20, 2010, 12:16:15 AM +0100 »

Cars allowed: Lotus Elite Vs Mustang BSCC Gr2  (ATCC)

Tyre wear: x2
Fuel consumption: x2

Minimum Pit-stops: Only if you need one  Evil.

(6) Remember that P&G has no 'Pit Speed Limiter' function, but our gentleman's agreement is that everyone will stick to a speed limit for the pit-lane of 40mph/60kph.

OK, the Mustang ATCC has been downgraded to the Mustang BSCC GR2. Allowing for the Stang's pitstop, we should now have a close finish (I hope) laugh.

I've also quoted the most important bits of info about the race above... taking it easy through the early turns (particularly the first four!) on Lap one goes without saying!

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