iRacing Season 3 Star Mazda - Sebring (International) - May 4

[Burtoner]

Yes there is a problem with starts, we all should of stuck to starting from the grid and not rolling, I cant explain how pissed off I am, I know i wasnt that fast but I did actually put some practice in for this!, When i protest my incident, think they will be lot of cars involved in protest, I seriously think some people should get a right ticking off. I dont know if you do same sort thing in GPL ie 1st lap incident gets bigger penalty then rest of laps.

Grats on Mike winning and a Shark win

Thats my 2 cents..

Note why are the results showing make of car Dallara?

[Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer]

Note why are the results showing make of car Dallara?

That's who makes the chassis.

[Burtoner]

Note why are the results showing make of car Dallara?

That's who makes the chassis.

Oh ok, just thought they did the Indycar.

[popabawa]

OK, I don't know what the answer is to this but the responsibility most definitely must lie with the drivers.

It's not the start procedures or the lack of resets that are to blame.

I don't want to have to enforce single file rolling starts or arbitary rules like "no overtaking before turn 2" but until we can manage to not have so much contact I can't really see much choice.

[Brendan]

Did anyone manage to save a replay?

[JohnBayes]

Did anyone manage to save a replay?

Ok new here but my 2 cents worth, for me the parade lap was terrifying, half the time thought I was going to get taken out going around the outside or inside of someone, so I would def like to see that as single file until the start straight, if we carry on with rolling starts, but try and keep in formation as well.

The start was just one of those things IMO. But I am happy with whatever you guys decide on starts, I like the excitement of a start, yeah it hacks me off when I make a mistake or I get taken out by someone elses mistake, but that IS racing some times it sucks especially when you put in a few hours of practise, but think RL drivers get to take it easy into t1 or t2? no its about racing, would make it a little sterile for me if we said no overtaking till t2 or t3, its half the fun of it for me, especially when you are in sat in 4th place and the 3 leaders take themselves out lol.

Well like I said open to anything really just my 2 cents

[Simon Gymer]

Did anyone manage to save a replay?

yep, uploading it now.

[Truetom]

UKGTR start procedure works fine, so I vote for the same in iRaces.

[Mike Wrightson]

To me, there's nothing wrong with either a standing start or normal rolling start.  I learned a long time ago that there is no rule you can make that will prevent T1 incidents 100% of the time.  It's purely up to the drivers to make it work.  GRC uses standing starts with grids of 30, it's rare that we have a big pileup.

If we continue with rolling starts, use the normal pace car lap, but everyone should get into staggered formation.  When the green goes, you should go when the car directly ahead of you in your line goes.  You'll still be spaced out a little more which gives us a better chance.

Don't start treating the drivers as idiots.  Pick a start method, stick to it, and we will work it out.  Anyone who doesn't isn't gonna be scoring many points.

[Truetom]

To me, there's nothing wrong with either a standing start or normal rolling start.  I learned a long time ago that there is no rule you can make that will prevent T1 incidents 100% of the time.  It's purely up to the drivers to make it work.  GRC uses standing starts with grids of 30, it's rare that we have a big pileup.

If we continue with rolling starts, use the normal pace car lap, but everyone should get into staggered formation.  When the green goes, you should go when the car directly ahead of you in your line goes.  You'll still be spaced out a little more which gives us a better chance.

Don't start treating the drivers as idiots.  Pick a start method, stick to it, and we will work it out.  Anyone who doesn't isn't gonna be scoring many points.

Well, we tried it and it didn't work, did it? There was the usual pileup in most of the iR races here - two seasons. I think it's time to try something new. Single file starts showed good results in T1 for GTR2, so...   Even Legzy can make it now as there's no pit limiter button here.   One point, though: if we get into single file starts here, it might affect the routine on public iR races.

[Mike Wrightson]

There have been plenty of races that have had a clean start, you can't reject a start method after just one try.  If we do go to the manual rolling start method, then please extend the race by a lap so that we have the same number of racing laps.

Here's another situation:  we do a manual rolling start and someone brakes wrong and spins at T1, taking out 2 other cars. It won't guarantee a clean start.

iRacing's dodgy netcode and collision detection just makes it harder.

[popabawa]

There's no "right answer" to this, I wish there was, believe me

Until evidence presents itself to the contrary, I believe a single file rolling start gives the best chance of a clean start.

[Simon Gymer]

This isn't real life, it's what we do for a hobby and as such we don't have the time the professionals do which makes ours even more precious.

Maybe we're not displaying the cor ethos of this league enough. It is not all about uber-competitiveness and if you want that then this isn't the right league for you. It's first and foremost about racing cleanly with other drivers, being sporting and then competition. There is plenty of competion left even after putting being sensible and giving each other room first (as the many seasons of GTR and other titles have shown), but if you're so desperate to beat someone that you can't see that it's best to finish behind them than risk taking them or both or more people out then this is not the league for you.

There are no cash prizes or real trophies at stake here so really it's not that important, it's just a game and we want everyone to have a good time. What we'll remember most when we hang up our helmets will be the sporting behaviour and close races, not the winning, so although competition is important and one of the reasons we do it, it has to come second here. There are other leagues and iRacing itself for uber-competitive driving.

[Simon Gymer]

Replay is here...
http://www.teamshark.org.uk/SimonGymer/files/SRou - Mazda - Sebring.zip

[Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer]

It'll be interesting to see how the DP start goes. I'm starting to wonder if single seaters aren't compatible with the 'core ethos' of SRou after all...