iRacing Season 3 Star Mazda - Sebring (International) - May 4

[Legzy]

This isn't real life, it's what we do for a hobby and as such we don't have the time the professionals do which makes ours even more precious.

Maybe we're not displaying the cor ethos of this league enough. It is not all about uber-competitiveness and if you want that then this isn't the right league for you. It's first and foremost about racing cleanly with other drivers, being sporting and then competition. There is plenty of competition left even after putting being sensible and giving each other room first (as the many seasons of GTR and other titles have shown), but if you're so desperate to beat someone that you can't see that it's best to finish behind them than risk taking them or both or more people out then this is not the league for you.

There are no cash prizes or real trophies at stake here so really it's not that important, it's just a game and we want everyone to have a good time. What we'll remember most when we hang up our helmets will be the sporting behaviour and close races, not the winning, so although competition is important and one of the reasons we do it, it has to come second here. There are other leagues and iRacing itself for uber-competitive driving.

At risk of agreeing with a Gymer for possibly the 3rd time this month & it's only the 5th day... 
I agree totally.

& also at possible risk of repeating ones self, but in the interests of our cor ethos of being sporting... any chance of a reset?

[Ken Murray]

Personally my paramount aim at the start of any race is to get through T1 without crashing. But as has been said the problem comes if you've made a decent start sometimes it's difficult (phsycologically speaking)to ease off on the run towards T1 and that results in bunching. As soon as cars are side by side there is potential for contact and with so much to occupy you at the start of a race it is even more difficult to keep track of the position of all cars around you.

Also comparing to real life you have to say T1 Lap 1 must have the highest likelyhood of an accident at most levels of racing, just look at F1.

I don't think there is a magic solution, but you would think single file rolling starts should ensure enough seperation to avoid contact.

[Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer]

At risk of agreeing with a Gymer for possibly the 3rd time this month & it's only the 5th day... 
I agree totally.

[Ken Murray]

Personally my paramount aim at the start of any race is to get through T1 without crashing. But as has been said the problem comes if you've made a decent start sometimes it's difficult (phsycologically speaking)to ease off on the run towards T1 and that results in bunching. As soon as cars are side by side there is potential for contact and with so much to occupy you at the start of a race it is even more difficult to keep track of the position of all cars around you.

Also comparing to real life you have to say T1 Lap 1 must have the highest likelyhood of an accident at most levels of racing, just look at F1.

I don't think there is a magic solution, but you would think single file rolling starts should ensure enough seperation to avoid contact.

Just to add to that, I'm often wary of braking too early for T1 in case I am rear ended by the car behind. So it is a fine line between avoiding that situation or rear ending the car in front. I can't be the only one who finds speed differences harder to judge in sim world compared to real world?? Once in to a race you can follow a car for a lap or two and learn where their brake points are, but at the start you have to make split second judgements!

[Mike Wrightson]

Agreed Ken, it's very hard to judge speed in the sim world.  T1 is the most difficult and dangerous place in a race and I simply aim to get through there in one piece so that the race can start properly.

[Ken Murray]

I always seem to have a problem working out which setup in the folder i used last time i've run tracks. Can you create sub folders? None of them seem right at the moment!

I tried sub-folders a while back, but they don't show in game!!

It is a major drawback and as you say it is very easy to loose track of your favourite setup for a particular track.

Actually, I think they did show and you could see the setups in them, but if you selected one it gave an error message. It would only accept setups at the car folder level. I will try again after Iain's comments.

I still can't get sub-folders to work. I still get the same error message, "Can't load setup" or something to that effect. Same setups work fine when just in the car folder.

[JohnBayes]

I can confirm that sub folders work in this build at last, but not in the previous build

[Ken Murray]

I can confirm that sub folders work in this build at last, but not in the previous build

Does it only work for one level down from the car folder then? I just thought I had mine in a track subfolder, then the setup builder name subfolder after that. Do you think that might be mine doesn't work. I will try again tonight.

[Blunder]

At risk of agreeing with a Gymer for possibly the 3rd time this month & it's only the 5th day... 
I agree totally.

Ditto! 

[popabawa]

I think we've got a vague concensus around a single file rolling start so we'll try that for the next race.

Seems like there's two choices; have a standing start, ignore it and do a pace lap on lap 1. That has the drawback that we don't have a pit limiter to get everyone at the same pace which could possibly cause problems.

I think a safer approach might be to use the double file start but at the last turn, drivers in the even cars slot in behind the car in front and then it's standard UKGTR start procedure.

[Gazza49er]

I agree with Shark 100%

I think the rolling start worked ok but you dont have to stay in double file all the way round on the pace lap, just go into double file before the last turn like they do in the GT1 World championship.

But as a few have said here already its not the type of start which is the problem. Mistakes will happen and always will but people need to be sensible.

The etiquette in this league for all titles has been fantastic since ive been here but one thing was lacking from that race which was disappointing

[picnic]

Can't say I like the idea of trying new start procedures in a league race, that's something to play with in fun/test races.

I couldn't believe the level of 'trust' some drivers had in this race. People dive bombing me on both sides at the same time while I followed the car in front in the braking zone. If I had attempted a pass at the same time and we had a 4 car pile up. If the standard of driving in our GTR2 races was like this I'd have left ages ago. Can't see the removal of resets had any baring on peoples overly aggressive attitudes.

[Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer]

I think a safer approach might be to use the double file start but at the last turn, drivers in the even cars slot in behind the car in front and then it's standard UKGTR start procedure.

Will the system let you do that? I know you can play it fast and loose during the pace lap itself, but won't people get black flags for not lining up correctly out of the final corner?

[Adam Parle]

Can't say I like the idea of trying new start procedures in a league race, that's something to play with in fun/test races.

Yep.

I'm more in favour of keeping things as they are - but drastically increasing the penalty for daftness at the start of the race.

I've never viewed T1 as an opportunity to gain places, I'm looking to get through, get into single file, and then get racing.

[Darren Seal]

Can't say I like the idea of trying new start procedures in a league race, that's something to play with in fun/test races.

Yep.

I'm more in favour of keeping things as they are - but drastically increasing the penalty for daftness at the start of the race.

I've never viewed T1 as an opportunity to gain places, I'm looking to get through, get into single file, and then get racing.

Damn you Parle for making me do this....

I agree with Adam.