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« Reply #105 on: May 05, 2010, 08:47:13 PM +0100 » |
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« Reply #106 on: May 05, 2010, 08:51:18 PM +0100 » |
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Personally my paramount aim at the start of any race is to get through T1 without crashing. But as has been said the problem comes if you've made a decent start sometimes it's difficult (phsycologically speaking)to ease off on the run towards T1 and that results in bunching. As soon as cars are side by side there is potential for contact and with so much to occupy you at the start of a race it is even more difficult to keep track of the position of all cars around you.
Also comparing to real life you have to say T1 Lap 1 must have the highest likelyhood of an accident at most levels of racing, just look at F1.
I don't think there is a magic solution, but you would think single file rolling starts should ensure enough seperation to avoid contact.
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« Reply #108 on: May 05, 2010, 10:19:00 PM +0100 » |
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Personally my paramount aim at the start of any race is to get through T1 without crashing. But as has been said the problem comes if you've made a decent start sometimes it's difficult (phsycologically speaking)to ease off on the run towards T1 and that results in bunching. As soon as cars are side by side there is potential for contact and with so much to occupy you at the start of a race it is even more difficult to keep track of the position of all cars around you.
Also comparing to real life you have to say T1 Lap 1 must have the highest likelyhood of an accident at most levels of racing, just look at F1.
I don't think there is a magic solution, but you would think single file rolling starts should ensure enough seperation to avoid contact.
Just to add to that, I'm often wary of braking too early for T1 in case I am rear ended by the car behind. So it is a fine line between avoiding that situation or rear ending the car in front. I can't be the only one who finds speed differences harder to judge in sim world compared to real world?? Once in to a race you can follow a car for a lap or two and learn where their brake points are, but at the start you have to make split second judgements!
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« Reply #109 on: May 05, 2010, 10:43:30 PM +0100 » |
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Agreed Ken, it's very hard to judge speed in the sim world. T1 is the most difficult and dangerous place in a race and I simply aim to get through there in one piece so that the race can start properly.
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« Reply #110 on: May 06, 2010, 12:13:16 AM +0100 » |
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I always seem to have a problem working out which setup in the folder i used last time i've run tracks. Can you create sub folders? None of them seem right at the moment!
I tried sub-folders a while back, but they don't show in game!! It is a major drawback and as you say it is very easy to loose track of your favourite setup for a particular track. Actually, I think they did show and you could see the setups in them, but if you selected one it gave an error message. It would only accept setups at the car folder level. I will try again after Iain's comments. I still can't get sub-folders to work. I still get the same error message, "Can't load setup" or something to that effect. Same setups work fine when just in the car folder.
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« Reply #111 on: May 06, 2010, 06:21:51 AM +0100 » |
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I can confirm that sub folders work in this build at last, but not in the previous build
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« Reply #112 on: May 06, 2010, 08:01:21 AM +0100 » |
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I can confirm that sub folders work in this build at last, but not in the previous build
Does it only work for one level down from the car folder then? I just thought I had mine in a track subfolder, then the setup builder name subfolder after that. Do you think that might be mine doesn't work. I will try again tonight.
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« Reply #113 on: May 06, 2010, 08:21:17 AM +0100 » |
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Ditto!
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« Reply #114 on: May 06, 2010, 08:48:47 AM +0100 » |
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I think we've got a vague concensus around a single file rolling start so we'll try that for the next race.
Seems like there's two choices; have a standing start, ignore it and do a pace lap on lap 1. That has the drawback that we don't have a pit limiter to get everyone at the same pace which could possibly cause problems.
I think a safer approach might be to use the double file start but at the last turn, drivers in the even cars slot in behind the car in front and then it's standard UKGTR start procedure.
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« Reply #115 on: May 06, 2010, 09:11:23 AM +0100 » |
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I agree with Shark 100% I think the rolling start worked ok but you dont have to stay in double file all the way round on the pace lap, just go into double file before the last turn like they do in the GT1 World championship. But as a few have said here already its not the type of start which is the problem. Mistakes will happen and always will but people need to be sensible. The etiquette in this league for all titles has been fantastic since ive been here but one thing was lacking from that race which was disappointing
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« Reply #116 on: May 06, 2010, 09:19:45 AM +0100 » |
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Can't say I like the idea of trying new start procedures in a league race, that's something to play with in fun/test races.
I couldn't believe the level of 'trust' some drivers had in this race. People dive bombing me on both sides at the same time while I followed the car in front in the braking zone. If I had attempted a pass at the same time and we had a 4 car pile up. If the standard of driving in our GTR2 races was like this I'd have left ages ago. Can't see the removal of resets had any baring on peoples overly aggressive attitudes.
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« Reply #117 on: May 06, 2010, 09:54:07 AM +0100 » |
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I think a safer approach might be to use the double file start but at the last turn, drivers in the even cars slot in behind the car in front and then it's standard UKGTR start procedure.
Will the system let you do that? I know you can play it fast and loose during the pace lap itself, but won't people get black flags for not lining up correctly out of the final corner?
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« Reply #118 on: May 06, 2010, 09:55:48 AM +0100 » |
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Can't say I like the idea of trying new start procedures in a league race, that's something to play with in fun/test races.
Yep. I'm more in favour of keeping things as they are - but drastically increasing the penalty for daftness at the start of the race. I've never viewed T1 as an opportunity to gain places, I'm looking to get through, get into single file, and then get racing.
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« Reply #119 on: May 06, 2010, 10:33:39 AM +0100 » |
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Can't say I like the idea of trying new start procedures in a league race, that's something to play with in fun/test races.
Yep. I'm more in favour of keeping things as they are - but drastically increasing the penalty for daftness at the start of the race. I've never viewed T1 as an opportunity to gain places, I'm looking to get through, get into single file, and then get racing. Damn you Parle for making me do this.... I agree with Adam.
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