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June 06, 2010, 10:45:39 PM +0100 - Mosport - UKGPL Season 19 (2010) Graduates Cup (67)
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
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Hristo Itchov
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 1 1:20.386
110.112mph
1 50:14.729
105.698mph
36 1:21.727
108.305mph
Firestone  
FullMetalGasket
 Black Night Racing
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 2 +1.279
108.387mph
2 +8.169
105.413mph
36 1:22.349
107.487mph
Firestone  
Al Heller
 Clark-Hill Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 5 +2.242
107.124mph
3 +32.906
104.557mph
36 1:22.978
106.672mph
Goodyear  
Podkrecony_Ziutek
 Clark-Hill Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 6 +2.456
106.847mph
4 +33.135
104.549mph
36 1:22.733
106.988mph
Goodyear  
Rick Nauman
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 8 +2.701
106.532mph
5 +44.379
104.165mph
36 1:22.798
106.904mph
Goodyear  
EvilClive
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 4 +2.143
107.252mph
6 +53.557
103.853mph
36 1:22.796
106.906mph
Firestone  
Phil Thornton
 Antipasti Racing
Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 7 +2.482
106.814mph
7 +55.696
103.781mph
36 1:22.674
107.064mph
Firestone  
Ronniepeterson
 
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 3 +2.037
107.390mph
8 +1:11.702
103.243mph
36 1:23.658
105.805mph
Firestone  
b_1_rd
 Clark-Hill Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 9 +3.621
105.365mph
9 +1L
100.578mph
35 1:23.759
105.677mph
Goodyear  
Billy Nobrakes
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 12 +4.761
103.955mph
10 +3L
95.464mph
33 1:27.189
101.520mph
Goodyear  
maestro57
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 11 +4.759
103.957mph
11 +3.541
95.354mph
33 1:25.133
103.972mph
Goodyear  
hannah
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 17 +9.959
97.974mph
12 +5L
90.816mph
31 1:28.824
99.651mph
Disco
Goodyear  
vosblod
 Clark-Hill Racing
Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 10 +4.024
104.862mph
13 +14L
100.867mph
22 1:24.337
104.953mph
accident
Firestone  
Michael Turner
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 13 +5.641
102.891mph
14 +20L
98.672mph
16 1:25.424
103.618mph
Disco
Firestone  
bernie
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
BRM P115 F1 1967 16 +7.928
100.227mph
15 +28L
91.485mph
8 1:27.175
101.536mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Nigel Smith
 
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 19 16 +30L
90.054mph
6 1:26.403
102.443mph
Disco
Firestone  
G Poole
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 14 +6.277
102.136mph
17 +35L
86.217mph
1 1:34.948
93.224mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Nigel Smith
 
Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 15 +6.614
101.741mph
18 DNS ---
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Firestone  
maestro57
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 19 ---
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Goodyear  
2 UKGPL_T7
 
Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 18 20 ---
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Firestone  

Moderator's Report

In the Works Hristo led FMG and Al H whilst over in the Privates Ronnie led Billy and Pete.
One mention, at 2 minutes in there was an incident with Mike T crossing back after passing Graham. Just a reminder you need to check in your mirrors you have cleared the other driver before crossing back - this wasn't a reported incident so just advice.

One reminder re Incident Reports. Where it says in the header 'PLEASE ENTER A BRIEF SUMMARY OF THE INCIDENT' please clear this and put in a one liner; this is the only part of your report your opposite number will see and it's useful if they can see what the issue is.


Server replay time: 0h02m43s

Graham and Mike T. Steve passes Graham who slows to let him by and Mike spins and hits Graham.
Mike did try to brake and Graham slowed unexpectedly hence a Caution only.
Advice to Graham not to slow down to let a faster car though, if they are genuinely quicker they will get through anyway if you don't take a defensive line. However onus must be on following car.


Server replay time: 0h33m11s

Hannah and Vosblod.Vos hits Hannah.
Hannah was travelling slowly and Vos braked when he realised this but contact was made. Vosblod's race was ended but Hannah could continue.
The penalty guidelines are there for the standard cases but there always has to be an element of interpretation. A caution for Vos here with the advice to take extra care when trying to lap very slow cars. Try not to brake line astern; always try to brake on a different line in case the slower car brakes very early. Also plan to overtake under acceleration where there is much less chance of contact.

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« on: May 31, 2010, 11:22:42 PM +0100 »

We're off to Canada for the sixth race of the season. In the Works Al H leads over Evil and Tim M, meanwhile in Privates Vos leads Mike T and Bernie.

Race List = IGOR
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IP address = 62.149.202.168
Race date = 06-06-2010
Time = 21:00 UK time
Track = Mosport 67
Variant = 67F1
Damage Model = PRO
Qualifying time = 35 minutes. Don't start until 30 mins left on clock to allow everyone to join.
Race length = 50 minutes (laps 36)

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Reserve drivers should not join the server until there are only 30 minutes of qualifying left. Please restrict chat to pit messages. Moderating will be by reported incidents only, however the moderators reserve the right to review any incident with a particular emphasis on lap one. The aim is to review the race the following weekend so incident reports should be submitted within five days of the race (ie the following Friday). We're hopeful most incidents can be resolved amicably and recommend a days deep breath with a replay review before posting. A sorry in the forum won't be taken as an automatic admission of guilt by the moderators.

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To see your current tokens hover your mouse over your total points on the championship standings page. Ten tokens will be added when you cross the start line.

The Championship is split into two sub-divisions, namely Works and Privateers. The driver split will be;

WORKS drivers
Phil T       
Evil   
John R   
Tim FMG   
Steve Bird       
Jethro   
Al H   
Bartosz (Pod)   
King Hero   
Rick   
Baab   
Hristo (R)   
Sam B (R)   
Fulvio P (R)   
Ruud Savelkoul (R)   
Dwarf Car Driver (R)   
Doni Yourth (R)   
   
   
   
   

PRIVATEERS drivers
Bernie   
Burtoner   
Mike Turner   
Vosblod   
Bookie W (R)   
Billy   
Fabio (Il Lupo)   
Rafael Mestdag       
Graham (R)   
Pete Maestro (R)   
Nigel Smith (R)   
D Rock (R)   
Hannah (R)   
Ronnie Peterson (R) 
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NOTE: In the event of more then 19 entrants a second grid will be run for the Privateers on ukgpl.5. (ping myjamesonline.net) Instructions will be provided in the chatroom – please ensure you join the correct server, due to the way we import if you start the race on the wrong server your result will not count. If you can try to make sure you are in the chatroom by 8.50pm this will enable a decision without any delays to the start time.

The track was designed and built in the late 1950s, and held its first major race in 1961, the Player's 200, a sports car race bringing drivers from the world over to rural Ontario. Stirling Moss won the event in a Lotus 19. The proposed hairpin was expanded into two discrete corners, to be of greater challenge to the drivers and more interesting for the spectators, at his suggestion, and is named Moss Corner in his honour. This is a source of lingering confusion as many people call the track Mossport. It has had a succession of owners since the original public company created to build the track. Mosport achieved acclaim though a series of international sports car races under the title "Canadian Grand Prix" normally reserved for Formula 1 races. F1's Grand Prix of Canada remained at the track until 1977.
Unlike many historic motorsport venues, Mosport's track layout has remained mostly unchanged from its original form.
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« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2010, 12:21:52 PM +0100 »

Am gearing up for this one.  P115 should fill the bill.

80-20 that I'll be in attendance.
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« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2010, 01:24:25 PM +0100 »

Will be good to see ya Doni. Hopefully can race without too many incidents!
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« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2010, 10:07:43 PM +0100 »

frustrating qually with multiple disco's (lost count at 6 ) couldnt get even one clean lap in , either blue flagged or reear ended or disco'd

didn't expect to last more than a lap or two before the next dreaded disco which sure enough happened on lap 7 ? just as i had let the leaders through for the first time , so saved me even more embarrasment .

Glad I took the BRM at least no points wasted .

Am useless at this track anyway so no tears shed either  :'( :'( :'(

 
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« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2010, 10:44:01 PM +0100 »

These D1 races are turning into a complete joke and I thought we've seen the worst at Monaco, but I was wrong. This one was much worse - people going so much slower than others, sometimes 50 km/h slower, even on the straights, weaving insecurely, still learning the cars and the track, making mistakes all the time, going into a panic every time a car shows up in their mirros, etc.

I have nothing against anyone, but some people shouldn't be allowed to race in D1.

Apart from problems with backmarkers, I had a few offs on my own, most notably two spins on the exit of the hairpin. The car handling was a bit odd, probably tires overheating and I had way too much fuel filled in. Otherwise, good to be back with a win, but was lucky not to hand it out to Tim who was quite fast and consistent behind, but also seemed chased by troubles.
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« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2010, 01:01:42 AM +0100 »

Sorry I missed this one especially as it's my 'home track'.  Wasn't feeling that perky this aft.

Hmmm...  Then again, considering Bernie's and H's notes above, maybe it was just as well to give it a miss!

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« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2010, 01:03:38 AM +0100 »

Comfortable 2nd and cruising. Wham bham 85 to 110mph into a corner doesn't go, especially when I thought I was following Steve. (FMG 121/Al H 115/Pod 118/Phil T 115).
By the time I realised it wasn't the Birdman and hit the brakes it was all over...

I have nothing against anyone, but some people shouldn't be allowed to race in D1.
H has a point and I agree with it
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« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2010, 08:03:07 AM +0100 »

I have nothing against anyone, but some people shouldn't be allowed to race in D1.
Understood but we don't have enough numbers for 2 grids.  Some of the "slower" drivers have contributed to the cost of the server so surely they have a right to use it and shouldn't be excluded on grounds of ability alone.  This is the only 67 division we run; how can the newbies gain the experience they need if they don't have a division to race in?

I had quite a decent race for a change and found myself lapping a few back markers.  I didn't have a problem it just required a bit of patience to wait for a safe place to pass.  In my experience the backmarkers were diligent in trying to keep out of the way and it didn't affect my battle with Al and Pod (which I eventually lost but not through the fault of any back markers).
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« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2010, 09:06:56 AM +0100 »

I have nothing against anyone, but some people shouldn't be allowed to race in D1.
Understood but we don't have enough numbers for 2 grids.  Some of the "slower" drivers have contributed to the cost of the server so surely they have a right to use it and shouldn't be excluded on grounds of ability alone.  This is the only 67 division we run; how can the newbies gain the experience they need if they don't have a division to race in?

I had quite a decent race for a change and found myself lapping a few back markers.  I didn't have a problem it just required a bit of patience to wait for a safe place to pass.  In my experience the backmarkers were diligent in trying to keep out of the way and it didn't affect my battle with Al and Pod (which I eventually lost but not through the fault of any back markers).

Phil, what is the real benefit of having bigger grids when you have such a mix of driving abilities? You don't get closer racing, it's the opposite. You have half the field pull away at the start, essentially halving the drivers numbers that actually race each other. And then the worse things happen when you start catching people who are so inexperienced and slow that both their and the leaders race is getting severely compromised. I really don't see any benefits from that.

I would rather race 5 people who are on similar pace as mine than 15 people where you have 5 drivers still learning the track, panic when they see a car in their mirrors, unable to do 2 consecutive laps without going off and so on. Isn't it the reason we have 2 separate grids so you can accommodate driving skill separation rather than just fill-in the numbers? Nobody gains anything from that...
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« Reply #9 on: June 07, 2010, 09:09:11 AM +0100 »

So far, that was mine best race this season.

Because of a traffic, I was struggling in qual. Everytime when I was on a fast lap I was catching slower driver.

Race started ok, but at L1 Moss Evil spun and I had to brake. Because of that Phil passed me.

I was chasing Phil for many laps, I was fasthen than him in twisty parts, but on straights his lotus was to fast for me.

On lap 15 Phil run wide on Mos and I was able to pass him. I've quickly couch wit Al, but again I wasn't able to pass him. I was fasther in most places, but Al's exit out of Moss was better than mine.

I was following Al hoping that he'll make small mistake, but problem with him is that he doesn't do mistakes to offten. Two laps to go, while lapping Billy, Al lost his speed at straight. I've decided to try pass Him, but I've tired to do this in wrong place, and soon I was on grass. Luckily I haven't lost control over my car, and in few corners I was again on Al's tail.

Maybe I didn't get result I was hoping for, but I'm finally happy with my performance.

Thanks for racing, and cya in Le Mans.
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« Reply #10 on: June 07, 2010, 11:01:05 AM +0100 »

I had a few technical problems at the start of qualifying which took about 20 minutes and a reboot to sort out. The race was quite eventful for the first laps with a few spinners to negotiate and an unexpected encounter with GP as I came over the crest at the end of the long straight. I think Graham must have slowed to let SB through and regretfully the ensuing collision put an end to his race. My own race ended a few laps later following an encounter with the armco and the loss of a wheel. Not a good day for the Soggies Roll Eyes
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« Reply #11 on: June 07, 2010, 11:36:35 AM +0100 »

Interesting race. Started well & ended reasonably well ~ the bit in the middle was rather messy. Qualified with a PB. Green flag went down & due to some computer  glitch I couldn’t engage a gear until the whole filed had shot off & left me. Took a couple of bumps & nudges in traffic early on ~ nothing serious. Spent the majority of the race watching Prib & trying to make sure that I was being lapped painlessly for me & the following cars. Never really got near my qualifying pace in the race. Along the way there were quite a few casualties which ultimately gifted me 2nd place in the Privateers race.
Main issue here seems to be about running mixed grids. I can see pros and cons but probably best to pick that up on the Mid Season review thread.
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« Reply #12 on: June 07, 2010, 12:11:52 PM +0100 »

Was relieved to finish on the podium after holding 3rd for most of the race but only just managed it... my teammate Bartosz said before the race that me & him would be close & he was right - over 20 laps nose to tail - that was a really tough battle especially as neither of us made any mistakes.

I struggled to find a clear lap in qually so didn't get too close to my PB but I guess it was the same for everyone. Held 5th off the line, which became 4th after Evil spun at Moss. After that I had big pressure from Phil so needed to get past Ronnie who had done a great qually effort as top privateer but looked to be struggling a little on cold tyres. When Ronnie ran wide on the exit of T2, I accelerated alongside but I don't think he realised I was there & he turned in onto me. I hugged the inside line & even moved onto the grass a bit to avoid him but unfortunately there was some contact which threw Ronnie off. It was a big shame as being in different divisions we weren't really racing though I was relieved to see that Ronnie managed to recover & win the Privateers battle so well done to him.

After that I was in third but under constant pressure - first from Phil & then Bartosz. Anytime I managed to extend a gap, I'd catch up with a backmarker & lose any advantage I'd gained trying to find a safe way past. I was also being very watchful & lifting for yellow flags which lost me a bit of time but also proved very fortunate as I slowed right down after seeing flags being waved on the blind uphill approach towards Moss & crested the hill to find a car sideways across the track!

Congrats to H & Tim & also to Bart for a hard but fair fight.
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« Reply #13 on: June 07, 2010, 12:31:00 PM +0100 »

Although I can see Hristo's point and found myself delayed by a second or so on a couple of occasions, we do have the problem of insufficient numbers to run 2 grids ( plus the donations issue).
My problems for this race were all self inflicted on Lap 1, when I put a wheel on the dusty bit at the hairpin after gaining a position off the grid and moving up to 3rd.
The spin/slide left me across the exit line from the hairpin and blocking Ronnie's Fezza ( sry Ronnie Undecided), but his solid smack on my nose sent me back onto the grass where I had to wait for the whole field to pass before rejoining in last place. Fortunately the whale seemed undamaged.
The rest of the race was a chase back up through the field and it seems I had similar probs to Hristo, keeping the rear tyres cool was the biggest problem. I slowly made my way up to about 8th and then had a long gap up to Phil and Rick. The gap was closing slowly and if things continued I could foresee an exciting last few laps  Wink rick appeared to have a small off and suddenly he was within reach and I began to hunt him down. Backmarkers caused the gap to close and widen at times, but no complaints about guys yielding as soon as they could. The two of us were slowly closing the gap to Phil as well
But Phil decided that we needed more excitement before the end of the race and took a detour that put all 3 of us within  a second or so. I was onto Phil's tailpipes but the acceleration of that Lotus out of the hairpin gave him enough breathing space to stay ahead. I could close up on the last few turns onto the S/F straight and look for an opening but it took a couple of laps before Phil cracked an drifted wide at T1 ? ( it was getting a bit hectic at that point!! lol). Rick had eased away and now i had to chase after him.
The gap dropped suddenly and I could see Rick negotiating a backmarker, I pushed hard to exploit the situation , but as I approached the car to be lapped at the end of the straight it began warping VERY badly.
So badly in fact, that when I thought that it had pulled to the left to allow me through it suddenly bounced back within millimeters of my nose. I jumped on the brakes dropped a gear and swung the waza sideways to avoid contact. I avoided a rear end but at the cost of a spin..I knew that Phil in his pesky Lotus would be along within a second or so and I was sideways on the track!! So I floored the gas and left some nice black marks on the road..but that totally screwed my tyre temps and just as I got going Phil loomed in my mirrors!!

The last 3 or 4 laps were a nightmare, with the pressure from Phil and his Lotus and tyres that needed some breathing space to cool down ( which they were not going to get!! Embarrassed ). It was  a desperate drive to the finish until Phil went off at T2 on the last lap. Have not seen replay so I hope it was nothing I did Phil?.


Grats to all the guys up front and Hristo, SHE will be glad you are back. Grin


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« Reply #14 on: June 07, 2010, 12:57:34 PM +0100 »

I struggled to find a clear lap in qually so didn't get too close to my PB but I guess it was the same for everyone.

I knocked 2 seconds off my pb  Grin (I did cheat slightly though as my old pb was in a Wazaboat  ninja )

Qualified well, thought for a breif few minutes that I may even be close to Hristo's pace - then he must have got a clean lap in as I suddenly found myself a second down again  Roll Eyes

Start went well despite my forgetting it was a 67 car and simply flooring it at the drop of the flag - amazed the fezza didn't implode to be perfectly honest!  angel

Kept more or less with H for the first 4 laps or so as both of our tyres warmed up, then I noticed my engine temps - not having a clue as to what is safe in the Fez I decided that a safe 2nd was better than an early bath so started short shifting.
From then on my only company was in the form of back markers who mostly held their lines and made passing easy - Billy gave me a good scare at one point when he clipped the kurb in turn 9 and span right in front of me! I took to the questionable safety of the grass on the outside  and couldn't avoid lightly bumping the fence. Thankfully nothing was bent so was able to rejoin and get back up to pace within a few corners.
Aside from that my only real scares came in the form of my own pc doing 2 bouts of the as-yet undiagnosed stuttering around the 10 to go point.
Still no idea what caused it but hammering on the keyboard and clicking every button on my mouse seemed to help get rid of it - still lucky it happened where it did or the resultant spin would have been far worse  Undecided

Well done to H and Al for solid drives, and also to all finishers  Smiley
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