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  • NGT Sprint - S2 R2 - Magny C.: November 01, 2005
November 01, 2005, 09:20:10 PM +0000 - Magny-Cours (GP) - UKGTR GTR1 Sprint Season 2 N-GT
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
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mo
 Kerb Crawlers
Porsche 911 GT3-RS NGT 1 1:39.640
99.927mph
1 40:12.699
94.916mph
23 1:41.142
98.443mph
Dunlop  
JonM_uk
 Ze insane Penguins
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 2 +0.653
99.276mph
2 +27.263
93.856mph
23 1:41.085
98.499mph
Pirelli  
Truetom
 Ze insane Penguins
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 7 +2.848
97.150mph
3 +57.466
92.708mph
23 1:42.550
97.091mph
Dunlop  
Simon Gymer
 Team Shark
Morgan Aero 8 NGT 4 +1.235
98.704mph
4 +1:13.928
92.095mph
23 1:42.342
97.289mph
Dunlop  
locutos ukgtr
 28CD Motorsports
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 5 +2.331
97.643mph
5 +1:15.875
92.023mph
23 1:43.345
96.345mph
Dunlop  
Rich_A
 CBFR
Porsche 911 GT3-RS NGT 9 +3.013
96.994mph
6 (+2) +1:36.211
91.277mph
23 1:43.194
96.486mph
Dunlop  
Pedro[PL]
 Team Shark
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 3 +1.010
98.924mph
7 (+2) +1:41.244
91.094mph
23 1:41.776
97.830mph
Pirelli  
Wilier
 Kerb Crawlers
Mosler MT900R NGT 8 +2.949
97.055mph
8 (+2) +1L
90.511mph
22 1:44.348
95.419mph
Dunlop  
PaulW
 Legends Racing
Porsche 911 GT3-RS NGT 6 +2.640
97.348mph
9 +5.789
90.295mph
22 1:44.174
95.578mph
Dunlop  
Don
 Kerb Crawlers
Porsche 911 GT3-RS NGT 15 +3.437
96.595mph
10 (+3) +32.278
89.319mph
22 1:44.337
95.429mph
Dunlop  
Rob Bywater "Kerb Crawlers"
 Kerb Crawlers
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 18 +4.706
95.420mph
11 +43.783
88.902mph
22 1:45.358
94.504mph
Dunlop  
enz13_gt
 
Morgan Aero 8 NGT 19 +5.235
94.939mph
12 +1:03.584
88.194mph
22 1:46.026
93.908mph
Dunlop  
greg130
 28CD Motorsports
Porsche 911 GT3-RS NGT 10 +3.074
96.936mph
13 +1:27.105
87.366mph
22 1:44.305
95.458mph
Dunlop  
pswillies
 
Mosler MT900R NGT 22 +6.509
93.800mph
14 +2L
84.142mph
21 1:45.266
94.586mph
Dunlop  
Jamera
 Kerb Crawlers
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 21 +5.668
94.549mph
15 (+3) +37.803
82.881mph
21 1:48.306
91.931mph
Pirelli  
as-here
 
Porsche 911 GT3-RS NGT 20 +5.345
94.840mph
16 +3L
82.185mph
20 1:45.222
94.626mph
Dunlop  
picnic
 Team Shark
Morgan Aero 8 NGT 12 +3.150
96.865mph
17 20 1:43.540
96.163mph
suspension
Dunlop  
codsworth
 
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 24 +9.211
91.471mph
18 +4L
77.158mph
19 1:48.675
91.619mph
Dunlop  
popabawa
 Legends Racing
Porsche 911 GT3-RS NGT 16 +3.469
96.565mph
19 +6L 17 1:44.571
95.215mph
unknown
Dunlop  
Mark J
 Legends Racing
Porsche 911 GT3-RS NGT 14 +3.404
96.626mph
20 +8L 15 1:44.123
95.625mph
unknown
Dunlop  
TinMan
 Team Oldie Racing
Porsche 911 GT3-RS NGT 17 +4.245
95.844mph
21 +9L 14 1:46.600
93.403mph
unknown
Dunlop  
silver53
 Ze insane Penguins
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 23 +8.036
92.469mph
22 +13L 10 1:47.425
92.685mph
unknown
Pirelli  
Aagramn
 Team Shark
Mosler MT900R NGT 13 +3.177
96.839mph
23 +19L 4 1:45.764
94.141mph
engine
Dunlop  
malonejames
 
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 11 +3.098
96.914mph
24 +21L 2 2:09.524
76.872mph
unknown
Dunlop  

Moderator's Report

This was an incident filled race, not helped by the invisible bollards that many drivers encountered.
There were also several incidents caused by drivers rejoining after having spins. Incidents like these are completely avoidable.
Drivers should wait until the track is clear and always try to join the track at a gradual angle, merging with the racing line as if when leaving the pits.


Server replay time: 230s

On the first lap Locutus brakes very early for Adelaide allowing the late braking Paul_W through on the outside. PaulW turns in very early but leaves just about enough room for Locutus. However Locutus has Truetom attacking him on the inside too and there is contact between all three cars, which sends PaulW into a spin.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 246s

After having the spin PaulW then makes a dangerous rejoin at the exit of the Adelaide hairpin.

  • PaulWpenalty — bad rejoin — 3 places lost (plus 1 for penalty points)
    For advice only - unreported by victim, so penalty disregarded


Server replay time: 315s

PaulW, who has already had an eventful first lap, hits one of the invisible cones in the final chicane and spins out onto the start/finish straight.
Some good car control by PaulW keeps him out of the path of the oncoming cars.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 317s

JM_Racing spins under braking for Lycee, ends up facing the wrong way, and collects Jamera who cannot do anything to avoid him.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 326s

Jamera, still adjusting to the handling of his 360 after the incident with JM_Racing, hits the bollard in the final chicane and almost stops. Unfortunately for Gerald he is right behind Jamera and can do nothing to avoid contact.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 370s

Wilier is following Rich_A down into 180 corner and decides to have a go down the inside. It is possible to overtake on the inside here but a tight line must be taken under heavy braking while turning in. Unfortunately Wilier locks his brakes and hits the rear left corner of Rich-A's GT3, sending him off. This was a bit over-ambitious and Wilier wasn't really close enough and didn't get alongside before the braking point.

  • Wilierpenalty — Over-ambitious overtake — 2 places lost


Server replay time: 408s

JM_Racing, having spun at Estoril, is rejoining and as he accelerates he spins across the racing line in front of Jamera and there is heavy contact.
It appears from the replay that JM had a left rear puncture which caused the spin.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 1064s

Rich_A attempts to pass Don1 into turn 1, but misses his turn in point and leaves no room on the outside line for Don1. There is side contact and both cars end up in the gravel.

  • Rich_Apenalty — side by side contact — 2 places lost


Server replay time: 1188s

Pedro runs wide at 180 corner, ending up right at the edge of the large tarmac runoff area. Pedro has to avoid the spinning GT3 of Mark Jonzo while he's rejoining, which leaves him joining at a more dangerous angle than it appears he was initially planning. The rejoin isn't too bad but - considering the poor visibility at this corner for rejoining, and the spinning GT3 in his path - Pedro doesn't slow up enough and makes quite a rapid rejoin.

  • Pedro[PL]advice — rejoining at a slower pace is safer for everyone involved


Server replay time: 1620s

Don1 is rejoining at Lycee after a spin and pulls out onto the racing line straight into the path of Mo who cannot avoid him.

  • Don (Don1)penalty — bad rejoin — 3 places lost


Server replay time: 1788s

Pedro is following Popabawa up from 180 corner and decides to have a go up the inside into the Imola chicane. This is not a wise overtaking place especially when there are much better oportunities just around the corner at Chateau d'Eau and down into Lycee.
Pedro has a late lunge up the inside, not taking a tight enough line and there is side contact with Popabawa, who is punted out wide and loses control when he hits the bollards on the exit of the chicane.

  • Pedro[PL]penalty — side by side contact — 2 places lost


Server replay time: 2206s

Jamera has had a spin and is rejoining the track at the Estoril curve. He pulls straight out onto the track, at a right angle to the racing line, collecting Shark who ends up in the gravel.
Jamera then waits on the racing line in the middle of Estoril, to let Shark rejoin, while cars whiz past on both sides.

  • Jamerapenalty — bad rejoin — 3 places lost (plus 1 for penalty points)
  • Jameraadvice — It is not wise to stop in the middle of the Estoril curve

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« on: October 25, 2005, 08:43:29 AM +0100 »

NGT Sprint Cup - Season 2, Round 2 at Magny Cours

Date: Tuesday 1st November

Practice 1: 8:30pm (15 mins)
Qual 2: 8:45pm (28 mins)
Warmup: 9:13pm (2 mins)
Race: 9:15pm (40 mins)

Cars allowed: Ferrari 360, Porsche 911 GT3-RS, Porsche 911 Bi-Turbo, Mosler, Vertigo or Morgan. (Lotus Elise, BMW Z3M, Porsche GT3 Cup are allowed but will not score points.)

Notes:
(1) Full time drivers should arrive during Practice 1 if possible. Reserve Drivers can take spots AFTER 8:40pm (5 mins to go in practice 1) to give Full Timers a big enough chance to join.
(2) Server Password has been emailed to those registered racers for the relevant race. Please contact a member of the admin team to get the password if you are registered and have forgotten or not received the password. It will not be given out in the GTR chatroom as that is a public place. The password wont change for the season unless there are security concerns.
(3) See UKGTR Sprint Season 2 Info for general Season 2 info.
(4) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules
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« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2005, 10:09:38 AM +0100 »

Hi all,

Reading other threads on peoples problems rejoining quali, reserves, full timers etc, I thought I'd give you advance notice that I will unfortunately be unable to race this one. I'm upgrading to ADSL and have to wait for the package to be set up.
(ISDN just didn't cut it on a large-grid race and I'm not going to ruin anyone elses race as a result!)

I'm down as a full timer but will be back with a vengance in the third round.

Thanks guys and I look forward to seeing the replay, Magny is a great course!
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« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2005, 03:23:45 PM +0000 »

I reckon this was one of my most enjoyable races from Season 1 including a great tussle with Mike Wrightson where I inevitably came off 2nd best Smiley

Down to 1:42.2 last night which I was pretty pleased with though no doubt I'll get nowhere near that in Q tonight!

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« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2005, 03:32:29 PM +0000 »

Down to 1:42.2 last night which I was pretty pleased with though no doubt I'll get nowhere near that in Q tonight!

 Shocked My PB is 1:44 dead but when practicing on Sunday I couldn't get within 2 secs of that  Angry

Looks like I've forgotton how to drive.
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« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2005, 04:04:16 PM +0000 »

         I wanted to practice a couple of hours before  the race and i tried the " t....."   password and the " r....."   but i could not get in with them , is  a different  password used for practise or is this a bug??
And in case i am using the wrong password  is it possible i get the right one send in time?
If so...THX in advance!
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« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2005, 04:06:54 PM +0000 »

practice server is setup with the usual practice password - the server will be restarted with the correct password for the race later on
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« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2005, 04:08:39 PM +0000 »

That was quick!!!...even before i finished  modifying a error  LOL !!! Wink
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« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2005, 04:16:06 PM +0000 »

That was quick!!!

we aim to please  Wink Grin
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« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2005, 04:38:51 PM +0000 »


 Shocked My PB is 1:44 dead but when practicing on Sunday I couldn't get within 2 secs of that  Angry

Looks like I've forgotton how to drive.

I find Magny is just like that - could spend a week getting the laptimes down and then return after a few days and be nowhere again - having to start over so to speak.

Even though its not a well liked track, imo its a real challenge and all the time is made (for me anyway) by pure balls out late braking, and turning in while braking, especially for the second faster chicane. Its a track that rewards commitment in general.
btw I find the best braking pressure setting in the GT3 for this track is  85%; this allows  a bit more chance of turning while braking without locking up.

Sounds like a rant - sry didn't mean it to be.
See you later....
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« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2005, 06:43:31 PM +0000 »

What I like most about Magny is that unexperienced drivers use brakes in totally inappropriate moments. The key to this track is IMHO not to brake in 85% of the cases your brain tells you to Cheesy My current PB is 1.40.814 and I just hope to find place on grid tonight as I am nGT reserve.
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« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2005, 07:00:05 PM +0000 »

[btw I find the best braking pressure setting in the GT3 for this track is  85%; this allows  a bit more chance of turning while braking without locking up.

I would add to that you wanna move your brake bias even further back in the GT3 at Magny especially and reduce the coast differential so that your wheels can spin at different speeds under braking (more helpful when you are turning and slowing down which happens a lot at Magny Cours) and go easy on the brakes except into the tight hairpin at the end of the long straight where you want to slam on the anchors.

85% seems very low, i know who to outbrake though now in my Morgan.  Wink
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« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2005, 09:32:55 PM +0000 »

Hi after thinking I had good race set up damaged car avioding spinning cars and gave up.cheers gerald
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« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2005, 09:52:20 PM +0000 »

Terrible qualifying, dreadful race.

Not a great night really!

Some brilliant times in qualifying though, I was amazed at how fast everyone was  Grin

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« Reply #13 on: November 01, 2005, 09:53:28 PM +0000 »

Can't believe I threw away 6th place. 1, maybe 2 laps to go and the car pushed on for the chicane at the end of the lap. Caught the kerb on the left and just gently understeered off head on into the advertising barriers. The game said suspension damagehad  put me out, perhaps it broke running the kerb. Couldn't continue because I had no engine. Shame the pit boys won't tell me any more  Wink

Such a shame after Shark had supplied me with a Morgan setup to die for. Not only did I set a new NGT PB, I got into the 42's when on Sunday in the 911 I couldn't beat a 46  Undecided Even did a 43 in the race. Only good thing to come out of tonight is I now have a negative NGT rank
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« Reply #14 on: November 01, 2005, 09:56:46 PM +0000 »

Terrible time  Sad.....ferking trackir kept freaking out on me....it just locked onto tight left direction, did it in the chicance before finish straight, middle of estoril curves Shocked and flat out leading upto s bends Angry Shocked  Threw the bloody thing across the room in a fit of rage Angry

My rear tyres were shot and had aero damage from the massive resulting spins and could hardly hold it through any curves after that so retired as it wasnt worth a pitstop anyway.

Had a crap pair of races in this championship so far  :'(
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