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  • NGT Sprint - S2 R2 - Magny C.: November 01, 2005
November 01, 2005, 09:20:10 PM +0000 - Magny-Cours (GP) - UKGTR GTR1 Sprint Season 2 N-GT
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
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mo
 Kerb Crawlers
Porsche 911 GT3-RS NGT 1 1:39.640
99.927mph
1 40:12.699
94.916mph
23 1:41.142
98.443mph
Dunlop  
JonM_uk
 Ze insane Penguins
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 2 +0.653
99.276mph
2 +27.263
93.856mph
23 1:41.085
98.499mph
Pirelli  
Truetom
 Ze insane Penguins
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 7 +2.848
97.150mph
3 +57.466
92.708mph
23 1:42.550
97.091mph
Dunlop  
Simon Gymer
 Team Shark
Morgan Aero 8 NGT 4 +1.235
98.704mph
4 +1:13.928
92.095mph
23 1:42.342
97.289mph
Dunlop  
locutos ukgtr
 28CD Motorsports
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 5 +2.331
97.643mph
5 +1:15.875
92.023mph
23 1:43.345
96.345mph
Dunlop  
Rich_A
 CBFR
Porsche 911 GT3-RS NGT 9 +3.013
96.994mph
6 (+2) +1:36.211
91.277mph
23 1:43.194
96.486mph
Dunlop  
Pedro[PL]
 Team Shark
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 3 +1.010
98.924mph
7 (+2) +1:41.244
91.094mph
23 1:41.776
97.830mph
Pirelli  
Wilier
 Kerb Crawlers
Mosler MT900R NGT 8 +2.949
97.055mph
8 (+2) +1L
90.511mph
22 1:44.348
95.419mph
Dunlop  
PaulW
 Legends Racing
Porsche 911 GT3-RS NGT 6 +2.640
97.348mph
9 +5.789
90.295mph
22 1:44.174
95.578mph
Dunlop  
Don
 Kerb Crawlers
Porsche 911 GT3-RS NGT 15 +3.437
96.595mph
10 (+3) +32.278
89.319mph
22 1:44.337
95.429mph
Dunlop  
Rob Bywater "Kerb Crawlers"
 Kerb Crawlers
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 18 +4.706
95.420mph
11 +43.783
88.902mph
22 1:45.358
94.504mph
Dunlop  
enz13_gt
 
Morgan Aero 8 NGT 19 +5.235
94.939mph
12 +1:03.584
88.194mph
22 1:46.026
93.908mph
Dunlop  
greg130
 28CD Motorsports
Porsche 911 GT3-RS NGT 10 +3.074
96.936mph
13 +1:27.105
87.366mph
22 1:44.305
95.458mph
Dunlop  
pswillies
 
Mosler MT900R NGT 22 +6.509
93.800mph
14 +2L
84.142mph
21 1:45.266
94.586mph
Dunlop  
Jamera
 Kerb Crawlers
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 21 +5.668
94.549mph
15 (+3) +37.803
82.881mph
21 1:48.306
91.931mph
Pirelli  
as-here
 
Porsche 911 GT3-RS NGT 20 +5.345
94.840mph
16 +3L
82.185mph
20 1:45.222
94.626mph
Dunlop  
picnic
 Team Shark
Morgan Aero 8 NGT 12 +3.150
96.865mph
17 20 1:43.540
96.163mph
suspension
Dunlop  
codsworth
 
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 24 +9.211
91.471mph
18 +4L
77.158mph
19 1:48.675
91.619mph
Dunlop  
popabawa
 Legends Racing
Porsche 911 GT3-RS NGT 16 +3.469
96.565mph
19 +6L 17 1:44.571
95.215mph
unknown
Dunlop  
Mark J
 Legends Racing
Porsche 911 GT3-RS NGT 14 +3.404
96.626mph
20 +8L 15 1:44.123
95.625mph
unknown
Dunlop  
TinMan
 Team Oldie Racing
Porsche 911 GT3-RS NGT 17 +4.245
95.844mph
21 +9L 14 1:46.600
93.403mph
unknown
Dunlop  
silver53
 Ze insane Penguins
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 23 +8.036
92.469mph
22 +13L 10 1:47.425
92.685mph
unknown
Pirelli  
Aagramn
 Team Shark
Mosler MT900R NGT 13 +3.177
96.839mph
23 +19L 4 1:45.764
94.141mph
engine
Dunlop  
malonejames
 
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 11 +3.098
96.914mph
24 +21L 2 2:09.524
76.872mph
unknown
Dunlop  

Moderator's Report

This was an incident filled race, not helped by the invisible bollards that many drivers encountered.
There were also several incidents caused by drivers rejoining after having spins. Incidents like these are completely avoidable.
Drivers should wait until the track is clear and always try to join the track at a gradual angle, merging with the racing line as if when leaving the pits.


Server replay time: 230s

On the first lap Locutus brakes very early for Adelaide allowing the late braking Paul_W through on the outside. PaulW turns in very early but leaves just about enough room for Locutus. However Locutus has Truetom attacking him on the inside too and there is contact between all three cars, which sends PaulW into a spin.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 246s

After having the spin PaulW then makes a dangerous rejoin at the exit of the Adelaide hairpin.

  • PaulWpenalty — bad rejoin — 3 places lost (plus 1 for penalty points)
    For advice only - unreported by victim, so penalty disregarded


Server replay time: 315s

PaulW, who has already had an eventful first lap, hits one of the invisible cones in the final chicane and spins out onto the start/finish straight.
Some good car control by PaulW keeps him out of the path of the oncoming cars.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 317s

JM_Racing spins under braking for Lycee, ends up facing the wrong way, and collects Jamera who cannot do anything to avoid him.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 326s

Jamera, still adjusting to the handling of his 360 after the incident with JM_Racing, hits the bollard in the final chicane and almost stops. Unfortunately for Gerald he is right behind Jamera and can do nothing to avoid contact.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 370s

Wilier is following Rich_A down into 180 corner and decides to have a go down the inside. It is possible to overtake on the inside here but a tight line must be taken under heavy braking while turning in. Unfortunately Wilier locks his brakes and hits the rear left corner of Rich-A's GT3, sending him off. This was a bit over-ambitious and Wilier wasn't really close enough and didn't get alongside before the braking point.

  • Wilierpenalty — Over-ambitious overtake — 2 places lost


Server replay time: 408s

JM_Racing, having spun at Estoril, is rejoining and as he accelerates he spins across the racing line in front of Jamera and there is heavy contact.
It appears from the replay that JM had a left rear puncture which caused the spin.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 1064s

Rich_A attempts to pass Don1 into turn 1, but misses his turn in point and leaves no room on the outside line for Don1. There is side contact and both cars end up in the gravel.

  • Rich_Apenalty — side by side contact — 2 places lost


Server replay time: 1188s

Pedro runs wide at 180 corner, ending up right at the edge of the large tarmac runoff area. Pedro has to avoid the spinning GT3 of Mark Jonzo while he's rejoining, which leaves him joining at a more dangerous angle than it appears he was initially planning. The rejoin isn't too bad but - considering the poor visibility at this corner for rejoining, and the spinning GT3 in his path - Pedro doesn't slow up enough and makes quite a rapid rejoin.

  • Pedro[PL]advice — rejoining at a slower pace is safer for everyone involved


Server replay time: 1620s

Don1 is rejoining at Lycee after a spin and pulls out onto the racing line straight into the path of Mo who cannot avoid him.

  • Don (Don1)penalty — bad rejoin — 3 places lost


Server replay time: 1788s

Pedro is following Popabawa up from 180 corner and decides to have a go up the inside into the Imola chicane. This is not a wise overtaking place especially when there are much better oportunities just around the corner at Chateau d'Eau and down into Lycee.
Pedro has a late lunge up the inside, not taking a tight enough line and there is side contact with Popabawa, who is punted out wide and loses control when he hits the bollards on the exit of the chicane.

  • Pedro[PL]penalty — side by side contact — 2 places lost


Server replay time: 2206s

Jamera has had a spin and is rejoining the track at the Estoril curve. He pulls straight out onto the track, at a right angle to the racing line, collecting Shark who ends up in the gravel.
Jamera then waits on the racing line in the middle of Estoril, to let Shark rejoin, while cars whiz past on both sides.

  • Jameraadvice — It is not wise to stop in the middle of the Estoril curve
  • Jamerapenalty — bad rejoin — 3 places lost (plus 1 for penalty points)

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« Reply #15 on: November 01, 2005, 09:58:24 PM +0000 »

hard qualifying times quite fast . sorry to however i hit on the first lap . left quit a gap then it was gone . apart from that quit a good race till tyres went off at the end .
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« Reply #16 on: November 01, 2005, 10:00:35 PM +0000 »

Rotten luck Picnic Undecided

I was in need of a smooth race after the fiasco of Barcelona.... didn't happen!

Qualified 6th and pretty pleased but had two subsequent faster laps at 0.5 secs up bought to an end by clumsy rejoins from other drivers. Tad annoying, but that qually session felt really hectic to me, don't know about anyone else.

Thinsg got even better witha  tap from behind into the big braking zone of lap one. Span off and rejoined in about 15th. At the end of the very same lap the f***ing invisible cones got me and span the car round. Got back into it in 18th then. 12 places lost on lap one- is that a record?!

Tried to have a consistent race after that and picked up places here and there, almost enjoyed the overtaking challenge, but not quite  Wink

Congrats to Pedro on a nice move on me very late on in teh race- I didn't have the rear tyres to hold you off any longer Smiley

Finished 9th. Bit fed up.
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« Reply #17 on: November 01, 2005, 10:02:29 PM +0000 »

Started 2nd finished 2nd  Smiley
Not alot in between apart from hitting a cone in the road....Sorry Rob bywater for some reason my car really wanted to stay behind you while you tried to let us through  Cheesy
Nice podium finishes for Ze insane penguins 2nd+3rd nice one Truetom  Wink
Grats to Mo on victory and an awesome Pole lap  Cool
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« Reply #18 on: November 01, 2005, 10:09:56 PM +0000 »

Things got even better with a tap from behind into the big braking zone of lap one. Span off and rejoined in about 15th. At the end of the very same lap the f***ing invisible cones got me and span the car round. Got back into it in 18th then. 12 places lost on lap one- is that a record?!

Sorry mate that record goes to be tonight, 6th - 22nd in one lap, bloody invisible bollards.

Anyway what a disaster.
Qualed in 10th, not to bad for me, never been any good with the NGT cars.
Race started well, soon found myself up to 6th and cruising around nicely.
Then hit the invisible bollard on the s/f straight, puncture.  Oh just great I get to do a whole lap with a flat.
Rejoined after pit in 22nd and last place.
Managed to crawl back up to 13th to score a massive 2 team points, oh well.
Not very offten you do a whole race without a spin at Magny and end up 13th, real shame a top 6 finish should have been there for the taking tonight.
Onto the next event and hopefully a bit more luck.
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« Reply #19 on: November 01, 2005, 10:11:40 PM +0000 »

Started 4th with what I thought was a stunning time in the Morgan (at least i was extremely pleased with it), finished 4th, some interesting stuff inbetween and I had to pull off a difficult move on Locutus with 1 lap to go to get my 4th back after I span too many times and at one point from a dodgy track rejoin from another driver.

Going to try and get 10 straight 4th positions for the season.

Well done Mo, you were awesome today, stunning pace.
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« Reply #20 on: November 01, 2005, 10:11:50 PM +0000 »

That was a mixed bag for me.

Great quali saw me 8th in the Mos, my best ever Smiley

Race started OK, but I managed to tangle with Rich_A putting him into a spin (sorry bud).

Couple of laps after I got passed at Adelaide then spun on the acceleration, just managed to avoid Picnic.

Then set about maintaining 8th place, got into 7th after someone dropped, then feck me, about 5 laps from the end, just cought Picnic after he spun, all set for a ding-dong and Mrs Wil comes in the study and taps my shoulder. I nearly jumped outta my skin and left the track in the process Sad

Finished up 8th I think, still not bad for a slow coach like me.
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« Reply #21 on: November 01, 2005, 10:22:36 PM +0000 »

Things got even better with a tap from behind into the big braking zone of lap one. Span off and rejoined in about 15th. At the end of the very same lap the f***ing invisible cones got me and span the car round. Got back into it in 18th then. 12 places lost on lap one- is that a record?!
Sorry mate that record goes to be tonight, 6th - 22nd in one lap, bloody invisible bollards.
They're a total killer eh? I remember a few peoples races got ruined last season at Magny because of them. Oh.... and this season too. Once someone hits them it's like a mini lottery every lap Undecided

And lol Willier. Well done on the finish- your best yet in sprints? My other half is under strict instructions that, unless the house is on fire, I'm not to be disturbed  Wink
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« Reply #22 on: November 01, 2005, 10:24:44 PM +0000 »

Well what can I say...

Started last...ended last.

At least I was consistant!

Thanks for a good race guys, enjoyed every minute!

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« Reply #23 on: November 01, 2005, 10:25:38 PM +0000 »

Qualified 3th. Finished 7th. Terrible shame as I really hoped to score some major points for Team Shark (and for myself as well Cheesy)

Half the distance, my pit-crew called me in for refuel. I though "what the..." because I was sure of proper setup. In the pits it turned out, that my fuel tank got punctured - probably on an invisible pole. Loaded my tank full and rejoined - of course my third position turned into 13th Sad So, with nothing to loose I have started my chase. With lots of load on-board it was difficult at first, but then I have managed to gain some positions. Sorry Pops if I was too aggressive while overtaking, but you have opened an obvious overtaking opportunity to me and there was no time for rubbing your rear bumper any more Cheesy Btw. Magny-Course is great if comes to overtaking. If you are brave enough, every single corner is an opportunity!

Shark - that "driver" rejoining like a blind grandma was me Sad Sorry man I should have seen you! No excuse here.

I must admin, that due to my pit-stop adventure, second half of the race was one of the best ever! My motivation was incredibly high. Guess next Tuesday I will start from back of the grid Cheesy
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« Reply #24 on: November 01, 2005, 10:27:19 PM +0000 »

Replay and provisional results uploaded
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« Reply #25 on: November 01, 2005, 10:47:22 PM +0000 »

Terrible qualifying... couldn't seem to put a good clean lap in.  Ran in to a rogue bollard  Huh on the straight coming up to the hairpin in quali... managed to miss them in the race!

Seemed to be going ok in the race and made up a few positions from my duff quali place, until I pushed a little too much through the exit of the second chicane and came out of it backwards and in to the wall.  The ensuing pit stop had my crew deciding (in their wisdom ) that I needed another 30 laps of fuel!  Roll Eyes

The highlight of my race though was following the finish when Enz13 seemed to manage a triple somersault over the gravel trap!  Grin

Hope there weren't any full timer's who didn't get in... I waited until 8:42'ish before joining. 
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« Reply #26 on: November 01, 2005, 11:00:00 PM +0000 »

GT3RS is a difficult car but for first time there in it 43.1 not bad! Made an ok move on you Wilies and left you room on exit of hairpin... then you braked way too late and only my car stopped you from going wide. Maybe in frustration but your frustration is unfounded cause I got a great run out of T2, which is not something I can't do every time!! I'll remember!!

Had a few laps with some guys although no way you'll have any grip over ten laps locking up all the time.. 1m43.1 in race which beat my quali time three seconds to 1m40 ouch. I'll stick with this car but it's a bit confusing to drive, certainly got to use engine braking alot.
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« Reply #27 on: November 01, 2005, 11:33:54 PM +0000 »

Shark - that "driver" rejoining like a blind grandma was me Sad Sorry man I should have seen you! No excuse here.

That corner is a nightmare for rejoining as the person rejoining can neither glance left or look behind to tell if someone is coming. You have to do it purely on sound. There isn't really any way to safely come back at that corner, however, I think coming back on slower is the best ploy. It was a bit of a panic from me seeing you come back on so fast that caused myself to spin (that and just got distracted by another spinning (I think that was Mark)) which is unusual for me normally hard to unsettle in a race.

Rejoining is a difficult issue, but generally the best bet is to come on slower and as gradually as you can especially in situations where you simply have no visuals on where other cars are.

I hope I didn't cause any problems with my rejoins, tried to be as good as I could, but I know I span more times than I usually do. Don't recall any particularly close call, I do find Magny Cours seems to get more off-line marbles than any other track (that's my excuse and I'm sticking to it  Wink)

P.S. That wasn't the incident I was REALLY annoyed about. But I wont go into that one in public.
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« Reply #28 on: November 02, 2005, 12:11:32 AM +0000 »

Was doing consistant 1:43 laps in practise offline and was hoping for a good finish, but Magny is a nightmare when trying to follow a car closely and I was having to tip-toe around. My race didn't last long. I braked lightly and early into T2 to avoid getting too close to the car in front and went into a vicious spin. Flew through the sand trap and lost the engine.  Sad

Great pole time and win by Mo.
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« Reply #29 on: November 02, 2005, 06:27:25 AM +0000 »

Man thats a hairy place to drive with a full turn out. Qual 5th finished 5th. Had a bit of a moment on lap 1 at hairpin as I braked early and seemed 3 cars tried to pass inside and outside, Got squeezed by PaulW and some1 else with result of Paul spinning out. Midway through race came up on Codsworth who may have been trying to let me pass inside but all he did was move into my line as I had lined up to pass outside, result was a bump into his rear. Only other exciting event was a little tussle with shark on last couple of laps, went defensive on the hairpin to keep him behind but he pulled a gr8 manoeuvre couple of corners later that I didn't think needed a defensive line, I know for future though, nice move bud, deserved the place.
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