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« Reply #15 on: November 09, 2005, 07:42:01 AM +0000 » |
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There is a very specific clause in the rules which says The driver shall not attempt to regain their original starting position. Whilst it's obviously very unfortunate that GTR has stuffed a few drivers up big stylee with the grid slots, we don't want people trying to pass cars who may be busy weaving to warm up tyres and not watching their mirrors.
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« Reply #16 on: November 09, 2005, 08:42:10 AM +0000 » |
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« Reply #17 on: November 09, 2005, 09:04:23 AM +0000 » |
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Just hope I kept it fair. I was right on the edge mate, another lap and you would have had me. Talk about intense, I was complety shatered after those last few laps. What with trying to catch Pedro and keeping you behind me, I was almost at the point of letting you past just for a rest. LOL I dont think letting ppl past is in the racing blood. Anyway everything was more than fair -you defended perfectly and I wasn't going to try anything mad with the state of my tyres. Some of the best racing I've enjoyed online, Cheers.
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« Reply #18 on: November 09, 2005, 09:07:58 AM +0000 » |
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.. when I think of a track I pick over taking places and promise not to try overtaking on any other turn. For Mangy it's the hairpin only!! Any other turn and it will be forced and probably unfair.
I strongly disagree here. At Magny overtaking is possible (sorted by increasing difficulty level): Difficulty 0%Adelaide (hairpin) - just choose early apex running close to the left kerb, turn hard and accelerate at full throttle asap to overtake before Nurburgring Difficulty 15%
Estoril - start wide then go extremely tight. Most drivers leave lots of space on the inside here, and hence outside is very slippery the chance of overtaking is great here! Difficulty 30%180 - great overtaking place. Just push your opponent hard by Nurburgring, then run a little wide, steer directly at the apex, outbrake your opponent and accelerate at full throttle in 2nd gear towards Grande Coubre. As outside part of this corner is more slippery than the inside and it is perfectly manageable to overtake there.. Difficulty 50%Chateaux d'Eau - tricky place to overtake, but possible if your opponent tends to brake late and use classic racing line. Choosing early apex and cutting deep into the kerb does the trick here. One difficulty is the kerb height, but keeping your wheels straight while riding them does not compromise stability. Hence the early brake point. Difficulty 80%Lycee - overtaking possible On the SF line. Many drivers (including me) has problems with accelerating out of this corner and it is possible to overtake by carrying high exit speed. If you object any of the above please send me a PM and I will show you all the maneuvers above on the replay.
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« Reply #19 on: November 09, 2005, 09:13:13 AM +0000 » |
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Just hope I kept it fair. I was right on the edge mate, another lap and you would have had me. Talk about intense, I was completely shattered after those last few laps. What with trying to catch Pedro and keeping you behind me, I was almost at the point of letting you past just for a rest. After overtaking you I've decreased peace a bit as my race time was -20s to the first place and there was no reason to risk. But I've found it very difficult to keep my concentration and quickly my comfortable 2s lead over you shrunk to 0,7s by the last lap My thought were: "damn, once again I'm going to loose great place" and "ok. maybe I'll let him go and finish third without risk"
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« Reply #20 on: November 09, 2005, 09:20:23 AM +0000 » |
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There is a very specific clause in the rules which says The driver shall not attempt to regain their original starting position. Whilst it's obviously very unfortunate that GTR has stuffed a few drivers up big stylee with the grid slots, we don't want people trying to pass cars who may be busy weaving to warm up tyres and not watching their mirrors. True. The problem is that it is the first time technical difficulty of this kind appeared (at least in my UKGTR career). Of course everyone should know the rules, but hence there is no team mate i pits who can inform you quickly on the rule in rare situations like this it is hard to expect people to know every single rule by heart. I guess for future race one of the moderators taking part could have quick-chat info prepared for this occasion, so he could quickly remind all drivers of the rule. Of course, not knowing the rules is not an explanation here, but I think we should consider this one time an learning experience.
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« Reply #21 on: November 09, 2005, 09:53:32 AM +0000 » |
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Lol, I'll claim I never knew next time I nurf someone off.
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« Reply #22 on: November 09, 2005, 10:28:17 AM +0000 » |
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Lol, I'll claim I never knew next time I nurf someone off.
ROFLMAO, nice one Fozz.
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« Reply #23 on: November 09, 2005, 10:36:38 AM +0000 » |
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I guess for future race one of the moderators taking part could have quick-chat info prepared for this occasion, so he could quickly remind all drivers of the rule.
Nice idea Pedro but completely impossible to implement. As the division moderator I was aware something odd was happening on the formation lap, however being towards the front of the grid I couldnt see what was going on at the back. Besides I have enough difficulty keeping my car on the road without worrying whats going on 15 places behind me Just to confirm, all drivers should make themselves fully aware of the rules.
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« Reply #24 on: November 09, 2005, 10:40:35 AM +0000 » |
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Nice idea Pedro but completely impossible to implement.
Impossible with quick-chat. What about TeamSpeak? In my home league we use TS for such occasions. No chit-chat wile driving, just important information. Of course it requires some bandwith, but not that much anyway.
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Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer
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« Reply #25 on: November 09, 2005, 11:13:00 AM +0000 » |
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Of course everyone should know the rules, but hence there is no team mate i pits who can inform you quickly on the rule in rare situations like this it is hard to expect people to know every single rule by heart. I've tried hard to keep the number of rules which have to be remembered and which aren't common sense down to a bare minimum.
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« Reply #26 on: November 09, 2005, 11:26:52 AM +0000 » |
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True. I like UKGTR rules a lot. After rethinking - I guess it is fine as it is. I guess reading rules from time to time is not that bad idea either. EOT for me.
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« Reply #27 on: November 09, 2005, 12:17:27 PM +0000 » |
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Dave & Co have kept us up with rule changes, announced in Announcements.
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« Reply #28 on: November 09, 2005, 05:04:48 PM +0000 » |
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Yeah Pedro, I hear what your saying about overtake on sf str8. Push to hard out of the chicane and you will almost certainly spin, tough spot to get by. As for the rest of your overtake strategy I agree entirely. Shark pulled the Estoril pass on me last week in NGT sprint, gr8 move, I will of course, now have that door covered.
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« Reply #29 on: November 09, 2005, 08:09:33 PM +0000 » |
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Hi Guys not a bad outing for me Wanted to start a back as have decided to use 550 from now on. I could not belive it at the start when about 4 or five cars decended upon me they were jumping to and fro on top of each other at times,, then to my horror they started to overtake on the warm up lap . Were thes real cars I thought or just a mirage one could drive through. It aparently turned out they were real (how did they end up in that situation) so a good job we at the rear treated them as real and did not drive through them as we did a barcelona when the same car was sitting stationary at every corner. Could I ask that drivers when coming back though the field after a stop for new rubber give the drivers on old rubber room to brake . It is no good diving in front and jumping on the brakes as they are not going to stop. I had occasion to visit the gravel for aviodence at least once. A good race for me 10th with a iffy set up , I was running with the 9th 8th and seventh when avoiding a car spinning down the main straight I sort of lost the plot and was left behind. I had some good fun anyway . bye for now gerald
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