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August 05, 2010, 08:34:20 PM +0100 - Le Mans (Sarthe (1979-86)) - UKPnG Version 2 Season 3 Reverse Grid
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Giuseppe Reali
 Team7
Porsche 906/8 (#66005) P&G Group 6 O2L 1 37:34.791
121.973mph
9 4:07.022
123.706mph
Dunlop  
fpolicardi
 Team7
Porsche 906/8 (#66224) P&G Group 6 O2L 2 +5.591
121.671mph
9 4:08.310
123.065mph
Dunlop  
lelero
 Virtual Drivers Alliance
Porsche 906/8 (#66005) P&G Group 6 O2L 3 +10.854
121.389mph
9 4:04.774
124.843mph
Dunlop  
Ade
 Kerb Crawlers
Porsche 906/8 (#66224) P&G Group 6 O2L 4 +21.671
120.812mph
9 4:06.242
124.098mph
Dunlop  
phspok
 Team Pseudo Racing
Porsche 906/8 (#66005) P&G Group 6 O2L 5 +36.803
120.014mph
9 4:08.436
123.002mph
Dunlop  
Legzy
 Team Oldie Racing
Porsche 906/8 (#66005) P&G Group 6 O2L 6 +51.506
119.249mph
9 4:09.065
122.692mph
Dunlop  
Tim Robey
 Gentlemen Drivers Club
Porsche 906/8 (#66005) P&G Group 6 O2L 7 +2:37.667
114.002mph
9 4:16.358
119.201mph
Dunlop  
jpv
 Kerb Crawlers
Porsche 906/8 (#66005) P&G Group 6 O2L 8 +2:53.800
113.244mph
9 4:19.273
117.861mph
Dunlop  
H@L9000
 Team Pseudo Racing
Porsche 906/8 (#66005) P&G Group 6 O2L 9 +3:18.847
112.088mph
9 4:08.179
123.130mph
Dunlop  
Tibernius
 Prodigy Racing
Porsche 906/8 (#66005) P&G Group 6 O2L 10 +4:06.626
109.947mph
9 4:14.500
120.072mph
Dunlop  
Alex vV
 Gentlemen Drivers Club
Porsche 906/8 (#66224) P&G Group 6 O2L 11 +1L
103.566mph
8 4:23.451
115.992mph
Dunlop  
Clive Loynes
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Porsche 906/8 (#66224) P&G Group 6 O2L 12 8 4:08.122
123.158mph
suspension
Dunlop  
Sandor M
 Gentlemen Drivers Club
Porsche 906/8 (#66005) P&G Group 6 O2L 13 +5L 4 4:22.842
116.261mph
suspension
Dunlop  
Mark J
 Legends Racing
Porsche 906/8 (#66005) P&G Group 6 O2L 14 +8L 1 4:25.387
115.146mph
engine
Dunlop  
(VDA) MinholoS
 Virtual Drivers Alliance
Porsche 906/8 (#66224) P&G Group 6 O2L +9L 0 ---
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suspension
Dunlop  
Bonni Massimo
 Virtual Drivers Alliance
Porsche 906/8 (#66224) P&G Group 6 O2L 0 ---
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unknown
Dunlop  
SimRacing.org.uk Lap Records
GTR2
P&G Group 6 O2L
4:04.774
124.843mph
lelero
Race
Porsche 906/8August 05, 2010, 08:34:20 PM +0100
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« Reply #30 on: August 01, 2010, 04:58:56 PM +0100 »

Sorry, I'm of the opinion this is the same year version as the Xmas one, am I wrong? Huh

We used the '77 version for the Christmas special whereas this is the '79 version. The '79 has the more open entry onto Mulsanne which makes it approx 2 secs per lap quicker.

I'll give it another go as my main problem was the car's tendency to want to kill me whenever my foot went near the brake pedal. Hope they address these silly default setups in V3. I mean so many of these cars are so awful to drive straight out of the box; can't imagine them being that bad back in the day.
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« Reply #31 on: August 01, 2010, 05:50:05 PM +0100 »

Currently at 4:08.224 and I'm happy to report that the soft tyres last to the end of the race.

Nice time Clive, you must be really peddling to get that great time  Smiley  Im only upto 2:11 so far after an hours praccy. I seem to be losing my time in the twisty porsche curves or final chicanes, i just cannot seem to carry the same speed through there as the AI cars. I seem to top out 174.9mph down the mulsanne, anyone getting quicker than that? Tried lengthening the top gears but just seems to improve fuel consumption without gaining any pace and indeed then feels sluggish in 5th.

What an awesome car mod the 906/8, with that glorious wailing old racing engine sound, and oh what a track conversion  Cool

ps, definitely none of the braking problems that one or two report Huh even my first laps on cold tyres are pretty stable despite throwing the anchors out at the end of Mulsanne.

re: fuel consumption:- it was recording 8.20L per lap online server, but offline its doing 8.35L per lap !  Huh
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« Reply #32 on: August 01, 2010, 06:17:50 PM +0100 »

Hmm....

Only 277 Kph on the straight for me, which I make 172.1 mph.

I shall have to have a look at that.

I also love the noise.  Sounds like a big bike!  Grin

I find "mincing" through the Porsche Curves a pain, compared to the rest of the lap.  And having to crash over the curbs at the end of the lap is just downright uncouth!  I hate chicanes where you need to bounce over curbs.  Shame we can't have the 60's track down past Maison Blanche.

@ Tudor, I didn't go anywhere near the default.  I started from the 906E setup I had for Suzuka.

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« Reply #33 on: August 01, 2010, 08:38:11 PM +0100 »

Up the coast &/or rear toe a few notches Geoffers & you could also reduce the braking % (i.e. from 100% to 90%).
Upping the front roll-bar/bump could help as would reducing the rear roll-bar/rebound.
I've not looked, but might be worth lowering the rear end if you can?

Good luck. Smiley

Thanks Legzy, I'll give those tweeks a try. Already reduced the brake pressure & upped front bump with little effect.
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« Reply #34 on: August 02, 2010, 11:27:37 PM +0100 »

Well, I have spent 2 hours tonight trying various combinations of suggested setup tweeks & ............. I still can't get the damn thing to stop in a straight line. More than a sniff of brake has it squirming all over the road. Following what Clive said about having similar problems with the Langheck, I thought I would give that a try, never drove it before, oddly that seems to stop fine just loses the tail through fast bends (Mulsanne Kink). Goes through the Porsche curves OK though.

It just seems odd that some people don't have a problem with the car & others of us find it impossible to drive. I will have one more go with it before Thursday, but unless some small miracle happens I will give the race a miss.
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« Reply #35 on: August 02, 2010, 11:39:34 PM +0100 »

I'm only guessing but this braking issue may have more to do with pedal sensitivity settings rather than setup?
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« Reply #36 on: August 03, 2010, 06:13:00 AM +0100 »

Yes. That could be it Tony. Try adjusting the sensitivity in the controls advanced settings screen. I think the pedal set I own is a big advantage. I have an ECCI Trackstar 6000 set which is much easier to modulate the brakes over a G25 or G27 set. My kids have the G25 and G27 sets. One of these days I'll get them both to drive again.
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« Reply #37 on: August 03, 2010, 06:47:31 AM +0100 »

I find braking with the 906-8 very similar to a GPL car and have gone about it in a similar manner.

The brake pressure and balance is set so that the fronts don't lock and then I tread on the brakes to 100% and then stop the back from locking by modulating the throttle.

It is also important to let the brakes do their thing befor starting to downshift.

This car is different to other PnG cars in that I also need the help of a 60% coast side diff to keep it straight.
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« Reply #38 on: August 03, 2010, 08:04:27 AM +0100 »

i am only using 40% coast and it stops fine. Try easing off the throttle before you start any braking to lose some energy, then give a firm progressive series of stabs, easing off the brake pedal each time rather than slamming the anchors on. I've got 61f,39r bias. Save downshifts to near end of braking procedure when most energy already gone.

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« Reply #39 on: August 03, 2010, 08:22:14 AM +0100 »

OK guys, I think the only thing left to try is the brake sensitivity settings. I've tried various different methods of braking & still can't get it to stop straight. The brake sensitivity settings may be the answer as I'm finding it all too easy to lock the fronts if I put the brake bias more to the front. I'm sort of getting Mulsanne corner sorted, but the main places I keep losing it are Indianapolis & the start of the Porsche curves where you are still turning a little when applying the brakes. The best of the few laps I have completed is a 4.20.
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« Reply #40 on: August 03, 2010, 10:13:07 AM +0100 »

I used the default setup, with slightly harder front, and 55% front bias. Any further forward and the back comes round.
I am poor with rear engines, I can;t drive them well, because I go into corners too fast, so if I can get round anyone
can with a suitable setup. 1:12.5 with full fuel and 3 laps practice. I can;t drive the GTL 906 at all, I spin on every other
down shift, this one is tricky with front lockups followed by rear lockups on downshifts. I can drive it quite fast
but I don;t feel I am "racing" I am having to be "cautious" at every bend - will it turn in? wil the fronts lock? will the back
slide this time.... Not a fun car for me.
Oh, and it matters a lot how you set the bias whether you are using auto or manual clutch, I can get round with manual
but It is a safer drive with auto for this car. I get 172 mph tops on the straight with auto or manual, though it gets up
to speed a bit sooner with manual.
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« Reply #41 on: August 03, 2010, 12:43:35 PM +0100 »

It's blasphemy, of course, but this track is even more boring than The Green Hell. yawn
Have fun.
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« Reply #42 on: August 03, 2010, 07:54:58 PM +0100 »

It's blasphemy, of course, but this track is even more boring than The Green Hell. yawn
Have fun.

Stone him !!...blasphemer !  gun_bandana w00t

it helps if you've been to the event, i guess...makes my hairs stand on end thinking of the place  Cool
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« Reply #43 on: August 03, 2010, 09:24:00 PM +0100 »

I think that a big part of this race will be the slipstreaming.

The straight is a bit boring on your own.  I usually have a brew handy for practice sessions so that I can have a sup before the kink.
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« Reply #44 on: August 03, 2010, 11:28:05 PM +0100 »

It seems I am going to have to admit defeat on this one, I just cannot drive this car  Sad

If I turned up for this race it is certain I would lose control & most probably take someone else out & ruin their fun, so enjoy the race & I will see you all at Lime Rock  thumbup1
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