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August 16, 2010, 10:52:18 PM +0100 - Monza (Full 10km) - UKGPL Season 19 (2010) Spec Challenge
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 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
kinghiro
 Clark-Hill Racing
McLaren M7 (DFV) F1 1969 2 +0.199
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1 16:23.083
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7 2:18.680
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Goodyear  
Al Heller
 Clark-Hill Racing
Matra MS80 (DFV) F1 1969 3 +0.506
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2 +0.119
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7 2:17.492
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Dunlop  
Hristo Itchov
 HikiWazaRacing
McLaren M7 (DFV) F1 1969 6 +0.978
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3 +15.525
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7 2:15.855
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Goodyear  
Phil Thornton
 Antipasti Racing
McLaren M7 (DFV) F1 1969 15 +4.410
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4 +17.621
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7 2:19.374
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Goodyear  
EvilClive
 HikiWazaRacing
McLaren M7 (DFV) F1 1969 7 +1.203
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5 +26.478
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7 2:19.141
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Goodyear  
NickyIckx
 Antipasti Racing
Matra MS80 (DFV) F1 1969 10 +2.239
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6 +26.495
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7 2:19.452
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Dunlop  
Podkrecony_Ziutek
 Clark-Hill Racing
Matra MS80 (DFV) F1 1969 13 +3.149
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7 +27.132
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7 2:18.784
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Dunlop  
FullMetalGasket
 Black Night Racing
McLaren M7 (DFV) F1 1969 1 2:17.678
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8 +35.718
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7 2:16.241
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Goodyear  
vosblod
 Clark-Hill Racing
McLaren M7 (DFV) F1 1969 8 +1.520
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9 +42.933
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7 2:18.640
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Goodyear  
b_1_rd
 Clark-Hill Racing
McLaren M7 (DFV) F1 1969 4 +0.762
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10 +43.442
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7 2:20.964
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Goodyear  
maddog
 
McLaren M7 (DFV) F1 1969 14 +3.169
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11 +51.953
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7 2:19.993
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Goodyear  
Samb
 Reed Racing
Matra MS80 (DFV) F1 1969 12 +3.088
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12 +56.318
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7 2:19.111
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Dunlop  
Nigel Smith
 
McLaren M7 (DFV) F1 1969 9 +2.158
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13 +1L
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6 2:21.309
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Goodyear  
Billy Nobrakes
 Black Night Racing
Matra MS80 (DFV) F1 1969 16 +4.567
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14 +4L
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3 2:21.926
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Dunlop  
Baab
 
McLaren M7 (DFV) F1 1969 11 +3.049
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15 +14.896
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3 2:18.794
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Goodyear  
francesco
 
McLaren M7 (DFV) F1 1969 5 +0.961
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16 +7L
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0 ---
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Goodyear  
2 UKGPL_T7
 
McLaren M7 (DFV) F1 1969 17 DNS ---
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Goodyear  

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F1 1969
2:15.855
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Hristo Itchov
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McLaren M7 (DFV)August 16, 2010, 10:52:18 PM +0100
S19S
August 16, 2010, 10:55:32 PM +0100 - Monza (Full 10km) - UKGPL Season 19 (2010) Spec Challenge
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
FullMetalGasket
 Black Night Racing
Matra MS80 (DFV) F1 1969 2 +0.586
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1 16:23.371
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7 2:16.803
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Dunlop  
Hristo Itchov
 HikiWazaRacing
Matra MS80 (DFV) F1 1969 4 +1.078
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2 +0.595
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7 2:19.136
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Dunlop  
kinghiro
 Clark-Hill Racing
Matra MS80 (DFV) F1 1969 6 +1.851
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3 +1.329
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7 2:15.920
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Dunlop  
Samb
 Reed Racing
McLaren M7 (DFV) F1 1969 9 +3.107
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4 +4.217
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7 2:18.286
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Goodyear  
b_1_rd
 Clark-Hill Racing
Matra MS80 (DFV) F1 1969 5 +1.124
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5 +34.996
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7 2:21.936
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Dunlop  
vosblod
 Clark-Hill Racing
Matra MS80 (DFV) F1 1969 12 +4.153
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6 +46.602
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7 2:22.796
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Dunlop  
francesco
 
McLaren M7 (DFV) F1 1969 10 +3.662
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7 +51.041
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7 2:19.539
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Goodyear  
Phil Thornton
 Antipasti Racing
Matra MS80 (DFV) F1 1969 15 +6.460
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8 +51.131
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7 2:21.260
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Dunlop  
Nigel Smith
 
Matra MS80 (DFV) F1 1969 13 +5.962
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9 +1:05.412
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7 2:20.979
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Dunlop  
Podkrecony_Ziutek
 Clark-Hill Racing
McLaren M7 (DFV) F1 1969 7 +2.961
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10 +1L
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6 2:17.679
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Goodyear  
NickyIckx
 Antipasti Racing
McLaren M7 (DFV) F1 1969 11 +3.915
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11 +2L
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5 2:16.220
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Goodyear  
Baab
 
Matra MS80 (DFV) F1 1969 8 +2.971
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12 +50.729
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5 2:18.796
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Dunlop  
Al Heller
 Clark-Hill Racing
McLaren M7 (DFV) F1 1969 1 2:16.751
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13 +3L
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4 2:18.756
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Goodyear  
EvilClive
 HikiWazaRacing
Matra MS80 (DFV) F1 1969 3 +0.963
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14 +6L
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1 2:26.661
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Dunlop  
Billy Nobrakes
 Black Night Racing
McLaren M7 (DFV) F1 1969 14 +6.090
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15 +30.382
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1 2:47.072
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Goodyear  
maddog
 
McLaren M7 (DFV) F1 1969 16 DNS ---
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Goodyear  
maddog
 
Matra MS80 (DFV) F1 1969 17 ---
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Dunlop  
kinghiro
 Clark-Hill Racing
McLaren M7 (DFV) F1 1969 18 ---
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Goodyear  
2 UKGPL_T7
 
Matra MS80 (DFV) F1 1969 19 ---
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Dunlop  

Moderator's Report

No reported incidents - race closed.

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« Reply #15 on: August 17, 2010, 08:32:14 PM +0100 »

Big thanks to Phil for his work in the backroom of GPL.
It ain't always easy and it is not until one stops and thinks about all that actually happens "as if by magic", that you realise quite how much time and commitment is involved every week.
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So, we finally had a 69 race  Roll Eyes and strangely people found it to be fun  Shocked Shocked despite the carnage at several points in both races lol.
And yes, I'm going to say it!!   "I told you so!!"  Grin Grin

Although I have raced 69's for a while, I tend to run the BRM or Lotus 63 so really had no "proven" setups for the McLaren or Matra and therefore had no "home" advantage for these races.

IMHO the exaggerated slipstream effect is at its worst at Monza 10K, because of the hugely long flat out section, easily gaining the following car 4-6 secs a lap. On other circuits it is less of a factor, but always important enough to look for if you are chasing someone.

Race 1 and I was feeling quite happy in my cobbled together setup for the Macca. I knew that pole position at this track is maybe NOT an advantage with the slipstream available, so was quite content with 5th or 6th because no-one was going to pull away in the early laps.
Sure enough a gaggle of cars was swapping poitions on every straight and dragging each other along at a fair old pace and me with them. Until...................................... Tim and Hristo decided to knit their wheels together at 200mph as they came off the banking Shocked Shocked yep right in front of yours truly Undecided There were orange body parts everywhere and for all of 0.00001 of a second there was a gap. Then it went orange as well! and I got an ariel view of the pit roof.
SHIFT -R and rejoined the race with Tim and Hristo some way back. I think I was so out of touch with Shift-R's that when Tim dived into the pit ( I later discovered that it was his admission of guilt for the carnage lol) I had an overwhelming desire to do the same on the next lap!! although I was merely a recipient of the mayhem. That dropped me back down the field and out of contention for the lpodium places but I had a great dice with Nicky and a photo finish with the slipstream.
Race 2 started extremely well and I was over a second clear exiting the Lesmos. But I knew that the drag act behind would soon pull that back on this circuit unless they fell over themselves. Sure enough, approaching Curve Grande I was swamped with cars hurtling up the inside!!! I held a straight line intending to take a wide fast line around CG when I was launched skywards again , performing a triple salco with 2.5 twists and a body roll, for an artistic impression score of 9.5 on the Richter scale.
By the time I had landed ( stopped laughing) and thought about a shift R, all was quiet and everyone was gone, so I decided on an early bath.


If we are contemplating a fun 69 season, can I put in a vote for a return to handicapping by pitstops for any such series? The difference between the fast cars and the slow cars is very noticeable in the 69's and there will inevitably be a grid of Lotii  ( not 63's!!) and Matras. But some swingeing pitstops against the faster cars might encourage useage of some other chassis? or one that escapes the pitstop altogether.
I always found that pitstops added an extra "fun" and tactical dimension to GPL. All to often in races you can find yourself running alone, but if you know that the car 20 secs in front has a 10 sec pitstop to perform, it does add a extra incentive to push and be there when he exits pits. Or conversely if you know that you are the one who has to stop, then you need to build a cushion very methodically and choose exactly the best time to take your stop.

Grats to Billy for an inspired season of great fun with the "Spec Race" formula and to everyone who took part.
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« Reply #16 on: August 18, 2010, 11:50:43 AM +0100 »

but Al and Sam proved me wrong by completely obliterating me on the straights, then slowing me down immensely in the corners! No wings for sure

For what it's worth I was running 1 degree of front wing and that was it  Smiley
Enough to make the car bite and corner quickly, but not enough to slow it noticable out of a tow. My qualifying time for race 2 was achieved with clean air to give you an idea how well that worked  Grin
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« Reply #17 on: August 18, 2010, 03:18:05 PM +0100 »

lol ,....and I was running 6.5 front and 8.75 rear, which explains why I shot away at the start of race 2 until I got to the straight bit!!  Undecided
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« Reply #18 on: August 18, 2010, 06:15:36 PM +0100 »

Wouldn't say shot away as such - I've noticed of late that my setups tend to be dire while on cold tyres, that was the case for both the Macca and the Matra.
All these green things seem inconsistent in that manner where-as if the Waza's were good cold then they'd be good hot too!  Grin

The Matra wasn't nice for the first lap and a half and took about 4 or 5 to get really nice (probably should have thought more about that as it was only a 7lap race  Embarrassed)
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« Reply #19 on: August 18, 2010, 10:25:11 PM +0100 »

Evil, I've noticed this a lot in your posts, but you do have a lot of whitespace in the bottom of them.
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« Reply #20 on: August 19, 2010, 08:41:42 AM +0100 »

Yes I've noticed that lately too Undecided Not quite sure what the cause is?Huh

I have something odd happening whilst I am typing a post as well, which is probably connected.

I can type the first 10 lines (ish) of text quite ok, and as with any text software it simply scrolls down to expose the next vacant line. But, after a certain point, although I am still typing text, it refuses to automatically scroll down and remains fixed on the view of the first 10 lines.

Meanwhile text is being added below what I can see and the only way to view it is to physicaly drag the scroll bars down. This exposes the "new" text but as soon as any key is pressed it reverts to the view of the top 10 lines again, so I am typing blind.
( no noticeable difference there!! I hear you say).
I'm guessing that this has something to do with the "blank" space at the bottom.

Any of you tekkies out there have any ideas?Huh
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« Reply #21 on: August 19, 2010, 10:25:13 AM +0100 »

Probably it's because you have a lot more to say, and it automatically leaves space Smiley
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« Reply #22 on: August 19, 2010, 07:31:32 PM +0100 »

Yes I've noticed that lately too Undecided Not quite sure what the cause is?Huh
I was able to go into the post and edit it to remove the blank lines.  It could be something to do with your browser.  I use Firefox 3.6.8.  What browser and version are you using?
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« Reply #23 on: August 19, 2010, 09:04:29 PM +0100 »

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« Reply #24 on: August 20, 2010, 12:57:46 AM +0100 »

Just out of interest I dusted down a Mclaren 69 Low Wing and did Monza 10K - Not too bad, I thought, no mistakes - stayed (mostly) on line and didn't spin off - which, for me, is an achievement. I was filled for five laps and used the default setup. Max revs in top was about 7200 and the lap took 3:16 - what am I doing wrong! I am not good but I am not that bad...
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« Reply #25 on: August 20, 2010, 10:31:09 AM +0100 »

Just out of interest I dusted down a Mclaren 69 Low Wing and did Monza 10K - Not too bad, I thought, no mistakes - stayed (mostly) on line and didn't spin off - which, for me, is an achievement. I was filled for five laps and used the default setup. Max revs in top was about 7200 and the lap took 3:16 - what am I doing wrong! I am not good but I am not that bad...

That's a whole minute down on a regular laptime. Are you sure it was the 69 mod? Tongue
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« Reply #26 on: August 20, 2010, 10:56:25 AM +0100 »

I was filled for five laps and used the default setup. Max revs in top was about 7200 and the lap took 3:16 - what am I doing wrong! I am not good but I am not that bad...

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Two simple things you could try.  Your maximum revs are low, so change the gearset to a higher number, to get higher gears.  Your rev counter should get to straight up, without a problem.

If your car has wings, make one of them a lot less, then the other one instead.  This will tell you if you prefer oversteer, or understeer.  Then you can progress to the fiddly bits, with an idea of what's wanted.
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« Reply #27 on: August 20, 2010, 11:16:35 AM +0100 »

Paul I noticed your RPM was low at Kyalami too.  Are you sure you are getting full movement on the throttle i.e. Is it fully calibrated properly?
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« Reply #28 on: August 20, 2010, 11:19:00 AM +0100 »

Just out of interest I dusted down a Mclaren 69 Low Wing and did Monza 10K - Not too bad, I thought, no mistakes - stayed (mostly) on line and didn't spin off - which, for me, is an achievement. I was filled for five laps and used the default setup. Max revs in top was about 7200 and the lap took 3:16 - what am I doing wrong! I am not good but I am not that bad...

Sounds a bit like a 65 chassis running a default 67/69 setup to me, that would explain the revs....
Ideally you want to be topping out at just over 9,500rpm (in a DFV powered car) in 5th on the main straight when hotlapping without traffic.
You don't need much wing angle, but more maybe better to help you if you're still finding your feet  Smiley
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« Reply #29 on: August 20, 2010, 01:10:26 PM +0100 »

Just out of interest I dusted down a Mclaren 69 Low Wing and did Monza 10K - Not too bad, I thought, no mistakes - stayed (mostly) on line and didn't spin off - which, for me, is an achievement. I was filled for five laps and used the default setup. Max revs in top was about 7200 and the lap took 3:16 - what am I doing wrong! I am not good but I am not that bad...

Hi Badblood. Are you definitely in the Grand Prix car as opposed to the novice/basic trainer? I just tried a lap in the novice trainer & it doesn't go above 7500 rpm & the laptime was 3 min+... In GEM double check you have "Standard Chassis" selected in the drop-down rather than the basic or advanced trainer.

 
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