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September 07, 2010, 06:00:00 PM +0100 - Laguna Seca (1988+) - iRacing Season 4 Radical - @iRacing.com
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Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Led Best Retirement
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Mike Wrightson
 Team Shark
Radical SR8 (#36) {unknown} 2 +0.201
100.598mph
1 58:47.075
98.234mph
43 30 1:20.710
99.835mph
Dunlop 1
Darren Seal
 Legends Racing
Radical SR8 (#36) {unknown} 3 +0.565
100.142mph
2 +5.674
98.076mph
43 7 1:20.663
99.893mph
Dunlop 1
Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer
 Team Shark
Radical SR8 (#36) {unknown} 1 1:19.897
100.851mph
3 +28.520
97.446mph
43 6 1:20.541
100.044mph
Dunlop 8
Fred Basset
 Kerb Crawlers
Radical SR8 (#36) {unknown} 4 +0.789
99.864mph
4 +37.333
97.205mph
43   1:20.656
99.902mph
Dunlop 10
mr_oily
 Prodigy Racing
Radical SR8 (#36) {unknown} 7 +1.416
99.094mph
5 +1L 42   1:21.280
99.135mph
Dunlop 10
lazlow
 Team Oldie Racing
Radical SR8 (#36) {unknown} 13 +2.365
97.951mph
6 42   1:22.104
98.140mph
Dunlop 20
picnic
 Team Shark
Radical SR8 (#36) {unknown} 16 +3.388
96.748mph
7 42   1:22.199
98.026mph
Dunlop 2
Paul Thurston
 Epicurie Banana
Radical SR8 (#36) {unknown} 6 +1.215
99.340mph
8 42   1:22.088
98.159mph
Dunlop 4
Blunder
 Team Oldie Racing
Radical SR8 (#36) {unknown} 11 +2.165
98.190mph
9 42   1:22.131
98.107mph
Dunlop 16
Legzy
 Team Oldie Racing
Radical SR8 (#36) {unknown} 15 +3.303
96.847mph
10 +15L 28   1:22.310
97.894mph
Disco
Dunlop 13
Brendan
 Kerb Crawlers
Radical SR8 (#36) {unknown} 5 +1.173
99.391mph
11 +23L 20   1:21.666
98.666mph
Disco
Dunlop  
Ade
 Kerb Crawlers
Radical SR8 (#36) {unknown} 12 +2.313
98.013mph
12 +27L 16   1:22.926
97.167mph
Disco
Dunlop 11
Truetom
 Legends Racing
Radical SR8 (#1) {unknown} 8 +1.832
98.590mph
13 +37L 6   1:23.469
96.535mph
Disco
Dunlop 9
Adam Parle
 Legends Racing
Radical SR8 (#36) {unknown} 14 +2.663
97.598mph
14 +41L 2   ---
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Disco
Dunlop 8
popabawa
 Legends Racing
Radical SR8 (#36) {unknown} 9 +2.054
98.323mph
15 +42L 1   ---
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Disco
Dunlop 6
Burtoner
 Team Shark
Radical SR8 (#36) {unknown} 17 +4.721
95.224mph
16 1   ---
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Disco
Dunlop 4
ross.mcw
 Prodigy Racing
Radical SR8 (#36) {unknown} 10 +2.086
98.285mph
17 +43L 0   ---
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Disco
Dunlop 3
Brenden
 
Radical SR8 (#25) {unknown} 18 18 0   ---
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Disco
Dunlop 1
Bernie Lomax
 Legends Racing
Radical SR8 (#36) {unknown} 19 19 0   ---
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Disco
Dunlop  
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« Reply #30 on: September 07, 2010, 09:45:18 PM +0100 »

Got mugged at green by Paul T, but managed to sneak back the place under braking into T1.  Good momentum on the exit was enough to allow me to nip by Gary T into T2.

After a few laps with Gary close behind, Rob Smedley came on the radio to say that "Gary is quicker, can you confirm you understand?" Smiley  I allowed him through to scamper off into the distance whilst I tried to settle into a rhythm.  James came within a second or so, but I think he had a minor incident which dropped him back 5-secs or so. 

After this, I was banging in consistent laps which pulled the gap out to over 6-secs.  I was beginning to get ready for my pit-stop when the F3 screen went blank and the red-bar appered in the top corner.  Race over.  Sad

Grats to all finishers, no mean feat with this combo.

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« Reply #31 on: September 07, 2010, 10:18:11 PM +0100 »

Sorry guys.  I guess I'm to blame for the problems on the grid.  Was caught out by the green lights, panicked, pressed the throttle pedal (while still in neutral) and then had to wait for the revs to die down before I could select 1st.  Even holding in the clutch made no difference.  Embarrassed

Congrats to Mike for a near perfect drive...
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« Reply #32 on: September 07, 2010, 10:44:55 PM +0100 »

I am so disappointed with myself. Embarrassed

To be perfectly honest I wasn't really taking the race very seriously. IDNet have been having routing and DNS resolution problems for a few days (not of their own making, but very annoying nevertheless). Combined with an ADSL loss of sync I got disco'd twice from practice and didn't expect to last the race, so spent all the time working on single lap pace (on race fuel during practice) hoping to at least get the glory of pole position and not worry too much about race pace.

I didn't really make any setup changes from my old setup, just dropped the back one click on both sides to account for the lower fuel load as I planned to do 8.5/8.5 - probably too much but 7.1/7.1 looked far too little based on my calculations during practice.

I have to say even I was surprised by just what good pace I had in qualifying, knocking half a second off my PB - but my optimum being a good half second better yet showed just how little consistency I had.

The race started well and whilst I wasn't exactly zooming away, I was just eeking out the gap over everyone but Mike, who was hanging with me about 2 seconds back. The lack of race preparation was starting to show, though, with little mistakes all through the opening laps, until eventually the inevitable happened and coming down the hill I caught the big bump wrong and slid off, dropping back to third behind Darren.

Rather than get risk getting held up, or worse still distracted into another mistake, I decided to roll the dice and pit very early, taking 7.1 gallons (which turned out to be 2 too many).

It wasn't a bad plan, but the setup tweak that lowered the rear end now bit me in the bum; with the car running both heavy and very low at the rear for the first few laps, I got caught out again, this time at the corkscrew. That let even more people past and I dropped to tenth whilst struggling to extricate myself from the sand without collecting anyone else.

After that I couldn't see how I could possibly finish better that 4th, even after all the stops, and only really kept circulating for a combination of team points and the knowledge that I'll use up both my drop scores whislt I'm in the southern hemisphere, so it was a big surprise when I saw Gary leaving the pits after his stop and realised it was going to be nip and tuck between us at the pit exit.

I got a great exit from turn 2 and managed to squeek ahead into turn 3. There followed an intense battle as I tried to pull away and Gary harried and attacked repeatedly. Lap upon lap I was sure he would figure out how to get his car inside me into the last corner and that would be that, but lap after lap I managed to claim the apex and remain a few tenths ahead.

I knew I was slower through turn 6 and up the hill, but it's a tough place to make a pass work at the best of times, and you have to take big risks in T6 to get the perfect run up the Rahal Straight, and indeed the temptation eventually proved too much and Gary caught the curbs wrong and spun, leaving me to cruise round the last couple of laps with an immense sense of relief - though not until he'd pressed me into setting the lap record.

Very well done to Mike for a great win for the team and Darren for a very solid second place. It may amuse you to know that I was working the wheel so hard I've stripped the skin off part of my right thumb - it went through blister and directly to raw skin in the course of that race!
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I don't know whether to feel elated at salvaging a podium or deflated for throwing away a win. Huh Roll Eyes
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« Reply #33 on: September 07, 2010, 10:59:20 PM +0100 »

Wow!  Grin

That went as well as I could have hoped!  Qualified 2nd with a new PB and made a setup tweak to ensure the car would be more stable in the race, which was the right move.

Nice clean start, but Darren got a better one and had a look into T1.  We touched slightly, which made us wobble, but no harm done and we set off after Dave.

After 6 laps I witnessed something that isn't seen very often.  Dave made an unforced error and spun on the run down to the penultimate turn  Shocked  I was now leading!  Kept pressing on as hard as I could to try and build a gap to Darren, when I got to my stop at lap 20, I had a handy 6.5s lead.  Stop went well, only topping up with fuel and out again right alongside James.  Since he was lighter, I couldn't stay right with him, which was just fine, but he pitted two laps later anyway.

Had to go as hard as possible to make sure I didn't lose too much time to Darren, but when I saw I would be comfortably ahead after he made his stop, I could ease off a bit and look after my fuel level (wasn't quite sure if it would comfortably make the end) and monitor the gap back to Darren.

Brought it home for the win!  Grin Grin

Grats to Darren and Dave for recovering a podium!
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« Reply #34 on: September 07, 2010, 11:12:41 PM +0100 »

After a few laps with Gary close behind, Rob Smedley came on the radio to say that "Gary is quicker, can you confirm you understand?" Smiley

 Grin, I've been practicing my Yorkshire accent for weeks!

I saw you coming into T2 and though "you cheeky rascal" but didn't want to shut the door on you.

I had a mare tonight, got logged in and put the password in for the hosted session and the iRacing web site froze on me, it took a little time to sort out. Then when I got in the car the steering wasn't centred so I needed a reboot.

I couldn't drive at all well so new it would be damage limitation. After Brendan let me go I caught up to 2 secs from Darren but then started slipping back a little and had a silly half spin, this was what let Dave get so close to me at my pitstop. I knew he was there and I decided to do the gentlemanly thing and not contest the place by firing out of the pit lane at full speed. The next few laps were fun and I was a little surprised to see Dave make more mistakes than normal. Although I've pulled off quite a few passes into the last turn I think the new gearbox modelling has killed that between drivers of similar speed as there is too much to do braking, changing and blipping to get close enough.

It was a good battle though, I set the fastest lap on lap 39 and Dave beat it by a tenth on lap 40 Grin

My only real dissappointment was that I was not trying to pass out of T6 I just got my lines wrong:-( Oh and I didn't spin, I kept it straight and out of the barriers but went off! angel

A bit race rusty after a couple of months away, must do better.

Congrats to Mike, Darren and Dave.

Regards
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« Reply #35 on: September 07, 2010, 11:20:14 PM +0100 »

Enjoyed the 1st 20mins, but it all got a bit spread out & I started making little mistakes.
When I realised that I was last car still running by clearly 30 secs... I pulled over as I'd had enough really.

I'm not what you'd call a fan of this track, but it was nice at least to be able to have an FPS that meant I could go through the corkscrew with my new(ish) pc. Smiley
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« Reply #36 on: September 08, 2010, 06:20:22 AM +0100 »

L1, I got caught out by James and Paul being very slow through T6 with Paul losing the back a little on the exit and coming back infront of me.  I clouted him and then TT came up behind me and sent me into the air.  Carnage ensued.

Not sure anyone was really to blame there but apologies anyway for anything I could have maybe done better!
Is that what happened?  My replay starts on lap 4 so I couldn't go back and see.

James was alongside me into T6 which basically has no braking zone and only one line.  I tried to stay wide and slot in behind but to do that I had to slow down.  It all happened a bit quickly after that.  I know the back end came round, I think I'd caught it though.

I got a puncture out of it so dived in and topped up.  I wasn't thinking straight and put in too much fuel when I could have just left the settings as they were which was careless.

After that the car turned right a lot better than it turned left which made the Corkscrew and T6 interesting.  Pace wise though I was a lot quicker than I thought, mostly 22s so stuck at it.  Gary managed to spin just after lapping me so I lost double time getting lapped again.  That came back to bit me a little when near the end Pete appeared less than 10 seconds in front.  I was catching him but there weren't enough laps left.

I've always hated Laguna but thanks to Gary's help this week I'm actually starting to appreciate it's charms.

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« Reply #37 on: September 08, 2010, 07:18:46 AM +0100 »

Bumped into Adam on the grid, sorry bud!
Car seemed ok so continued!
Managed to weave my way through the carnage up the hill.
Picked up a few places and was running strongly in 7th but speeding in the pit lane  Hit with a wet fish
left me with a 15 second penalty  :'(
Continued on my own for the last 12 laps and finished 9th.

Quite enjoyed it but am still not a Laguna fan!  Wink
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« Reply #38 on: September 08, 2010, 08:06:02 AM +0100 »

I still don't get the Radical and last night was very much a battle of survival, no real fun involved. I had no intention of racing anyone after practice and qual because even on my own I had difficulty staying on track and didn't need the distraction of others. I let at least 3 by without contesting the position. Paid off for me as 2 failed to finish and I didn't fall off as a result of their pressure, or them not avoiding me when I messed up and was stupidly slow somewhere.

I'm not sure how much longer I'll persevere with this series, the cars have no feel to me. They understeer if you're too quick in to the corner, they oversteer on throttle, there is no fun. If I get out of shape that's it. At least in the LM and, as I've recently discovered, the Lotus I can make a mistake and recover. I lose time but it's not game over every time. I'll never be an alien so as I can't be winning I need something else to encourage me to partake.
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« Reply #39 on: September 08, 2010, 08:26:39 AM +0100 »

Bumped into Adam on the grid, sorry bud!

It was Pops Wink
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« Reply #40 on: September 08, 2010, 08:40:42 AM +0100 »

I agree with Pete mostly. Undecided I thought I got the grip of the car, then in the next moment it surprises me though I thought I did the same as the last time. Ok, it's probably my fault, but what I'm saying is that in no other sim that didn't happen to me, not after so many laps for sure. I want to participate here and I am trying to get a hang of the car(s) but so far something remotely like a controled driving only happens when I drive the Mazda. Undecided I'm beginning to be sorry I bought the darn thing(s). Would be a thing to forget if this wouldn't be the most expensive sim I bought so far and I can't say I'm getting out all that much. Undecided 
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« Reply #41 on: September 08, 2010, 08:42:12 AM +0100 »

If I get out of shape that's it. At least in the LM and, as I've recently discovered, the Lotus I can make a mistake and recover.

It's funny how different cars feel to different people - the LM I agree totally, but the Lotus I have the opposite feeling, very twitchy and almost impossible to correct a mistake. The Radical I can mostly catch and correct, though Laguna has got to be one of the worst places for it with some big bumps in places where it's impossible to keep the steering straight.
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« Reply #42 on: September 08, 2010, 09:36:08 AM +0100 »

L1, I got caught out by James and Paul being very slow through T6 with Paul losing the back a little on the exit and coming back infront of me.  I clouted him and then TT came up behind me and sent me into the air.  Carnage ensued.

Not sure anyone was really to blame there but apologies anyway for anything I could have maybe done better!
Is that what happened?  My replay starts on lap 4 so I couldn't go back and see.

Yeah, but it was only a very small step out at the rear for your car - you certainly weren't to blame (I don't think anyone was) - I just got penned in behind you and James and then got slammed from behind as things jammed up.

Just one of things really.  Happy to upload that segment of the replay tonight if you want it.

Cheers, Ross.
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« Reply #43 on: September 08, 2010, 09:56:14 AM +0100 »

It's funny how different cars feel to different people - the LM I agree totally, but the Lotus I have the opposite feeling, very twitchy and almost impossible to correct a mistake.
Agreed totally.  I find the Late Model to be horrible to drive whereas the Lotus I can drift and slide in extremis.

For Sebring and Laguna I've used conventional Radical setups but Philip Island I used one based on the real car's setup.  It uses softer, more balanced springs and bars with the dampers set in the middle of their range.

The real car uses 400/457 springs by default which matches the weight distribution but they apparently run them stiffer in the States because of the inferior track surfaces.  One click on each end maintains the weight balance in iRacing and 457/514 or 514/547(?) are apparently more realistic "American" setups.

I think the 400 front springs were there in the recent build because I asked for them. Smiley

More rear wing pushes the back down of course so I've been stiffening the springs a click at the rear when running on higher downforce.

Another thing is that it uses higher tyre pressures, 21-22PSI.  The fast boy Radical setups have lower pressures, possibly to compensate for the lack of compliance in the suspension.  My theory is that it's better to put the movement where it can be controlled by the dampers rather than putting it all into the sidewall.

The SR8 owner's manual is downloadable from the Radical site and it includes setup details.  Not all of it can be dialled into iRacing exactly - the ride heights in iRacing aren't measured the same way for instance but most can.  I've modified the basic setup t /suit my style better and have ended up with 457/514(or 547) springs and less damping on the front end (6/20).  Resist the temptation to increase the bars though, they're the last thing you should ever touch.  Stick them at soft or and leave them there.  When you're generally happy with the setup put the rear up to medium if you need to to counter any uncurable understeer.

It's a setup which doesn't throw sudden surprises at me.  I can feel the car moving around before it snaps.  I'm quicker over a lap with the stiff rear end setups but I make fewer mistakes over a one hour race with the realistic one.

I always hated the Radical too.  Don't discard it until you've tried a soft one. Wink

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« Reply #44 on: September 08, 2010, 09:58:47 AM +0100 »

Yeah, but it was only a very small step out at the rear for your car - you certainly weren't to blame (I don't think anyone was) - I just got penned in behind you and James and then got slammed from behind as things jammed up.

Just one of things really.  Happy to upload that segment of the replay tonight if you want it.
Interestingly you're not listed with car contact on lap one.  Are you sure you hit me?

Yes please, I'd like to see what happened if only to see how I can avoid it next time.

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