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  • S20N Mosport: October 12, 2010
October 12, 2010, 09:40:56 PM +0100 - Mosport - UKGPL Season 20 (2010-2011) Novices Trophy (65)
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
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maddog
 
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 5 +1.341
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1 (+2) 40:02.417
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27 1:26.726
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Dunlop  
Ross Neilson
 Clark-Hill Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 4 +1.114
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2 +5.751
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27 1:27.217
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Goodyear  
vosblod
 Clark-Hill Racing
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 3 +0.970
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3 +13.054
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27 1:27.541
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Dunlop  
roguk
 Clark-Hill Racing
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 7 +1.539
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4 +16.159
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27 1:27.767
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Dunlop  
NHance
 Mountside Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 2 +0.759
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5 +22.194
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27 1:26.745
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Goodyear  
blito
 Nessuna Speranza
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 9 +1.912
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6 +35.046
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27 1:28.908
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Dunlop  
Artiglietti
 
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 1 1:25.779
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7 (+2) +42.465
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27 1:25.896
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Dunlop  
miner2049er
 Clark-Hill Racing
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 15 +2.624
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8 +1:00.081
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27 1:28.732
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Dunlop  
happyal
 Clark-Hill Racing
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 11 +2.054
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9 +1:05.377
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27 1:28.121
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Dunlop  
Ronniepeterson
 
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 6 +1.471
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10 +1:09.131
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27 1:27.201
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Dunlop  
Nigel Smith
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA272 F1 1965 10 +1.938
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11 +1L
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26 1:27.590
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Goodyear  
karlisss
 
Honda RA272 F1 1965 16 +4.147
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12 (+2) +59.476
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26 1:29.140
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Goodyear  
BadBlood
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA272 F1 1965 17 +4.785
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13 (+2) +2L
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25 1:30.483
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Goodyear  
il_lupo_mannaro
 
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 12 +2.242
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14 +15L
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12 1:27.981
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Dunlop  
norbert
 Antipasti Racing
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 13 +2.242
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15 +18L
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9 1:28.483
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Dunlop  
Billy Nobrakes
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 8 +1.856
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16 +24L
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3 1:31.183
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Goodyear  
norbert
 Antipasti Racing
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 14 +2.417
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17 DNS ---
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Dunlop  
5 UKGPL
 
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 18 ---
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Dunlop  

Moderator's Report

The opening race of the season always throws up some interesting incidents and this was no exception.

We had one starting from the pit lane and we had Norbert closing his eyes and counting to 10 while we all ran away to hide, but would he find us or not?

This race also goes to show that having speed does not necessarily give you race wins. Actually it also goes to show that crossing the line first doesn't necessarily give you race wins.

If anyone knows why Karliss took a Stop n Go after lap5 please send your answers on a postcard to:

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Server replay time: 0h01m20s

Karliss follows PWhitfield into T3 and hits him, spinning him off.
At the point of turn Karliss he has no overlap and PWhitfield was always going to take the racing line and close the gap.

  • karlissspenalty — Simple Ambitious Overtake — 1 place lost
  • karlissspenalty — Lap 1 incident — 1 place lost


Server replay time: 0h01m25s

Paul Whitfield spins off and rather than simply rejoining the track he takes a SHIFT R to get back.
As this was not a free SHIFT R he should take a Stop n Go penalty at the end of the lap.
New drivers should be aware that they should carefully rejoin the track where possible as a SHIFT R has a few consequences.
(1) It drops you straight back on track at a standstill, sometimes on the racing line.
(2) It resets your fuel level and tyre temps to the way you started the race, making you slower for the rest of the race.
(3) If it is your fault, you have to take Stop n Go penalty for every SHIFT R you take.

Advice (see later)

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h04m45s

AA recovers to the track and is getting back up to racing speed but before he has done so he goes straight to the racing line.
Karliss goes to overtake him and can be clearly seen in AAs mirrors but AA moves over and the 2 crash
AA takes a SHIFT R but does not take a Stop n Go.
Karliss takes a free SHIFT R.
Nigel Smith gets caught up in the incident and also takes a free SHIFT R.

AA admits to being "a bit cheeky there" and seems to miss the point in his explanation of what his options were and where Karliss should have gone.

Karliss should have been given the racing line and had every right to it. AA should have lifted if necessary to avoid interfering with a car traveling at racing speed.

Drivers must always, always, always stay off the racing line when rejoining and until they get back up to racing speed.

The 30s penalty is waived as the place punishment is deemed sufficient.


Server replay time: 0h04m46s

Al Baldwin exits moss and touches the grass on the exit and loses momentum but recovers.
Ronnie Peterson is following closely and is slow to react hitting Al.

As Mike exits Moss he sees the dirt kicked up by Al but the incident appears to be over before the 2 cars collide and block the track
Ronnie had already avoided a collision at Moss by backing out of a pass but he seemed to react slowly to Al's error
Mike gets caught up in the collision but has nowhere to go to avoid it
Ronnie takes a SHIFT R
Al takes a SHIFT R
Mike does not

Ronnie is following very closely after backing out of a pass and has already avoided a collision. He has little time to react to Al's mistake and hits him.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h06m50s

Ronnie Peterson tries to overtake Al Baldwin but does not quite have the speed to do it as they approach the end of the straight
Al takes the racing line at the approach to turn 8 as Ronnie has no overlap.
Ronnie should have known Al would take the racing line and should have lifted.
Ronnie takes a SHIFT R with a Stop n Go

Ronnie intended to drop in behind Al having given up on the pass but misjudged the gap.

Al checked his mirrors before moving over and thought he had enough room, but it is always the responsibility of the following driver to avoid a collision.

Only Ronnie was affected and he took a Stop n Go.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h15m50s

Norbert loses control at Moss but recovers and continues.
Ronnie sees him lose control and goes to the inside to pass expecting Norbert to spin wide
He hits Norbert as he turns in.
Ronnie should have lifted and given Norbert the line as at the turn in point he has no overlap.
Having said that, Norbert had lost control of his car and hit the armco making him unpredictable which would let Ronnie off the hook.


Server replay time: 0h20m50s

PWhitfield is being passed by Ronnie Peterson and moves over into him Ronnie takes a free SHIFT R.
Ronnie is clear in Paul's mirrors from Moss and disappears alongside so PW knows he is there and should not have moved over.

Whether this move over was careless or due to the car losing control as it went over the hump is not clear, but drivers must always be aware of what is around them and take care when being passed.


Server replay time: 0h22m28s

Vosblod is lapping P Whitfield
Vosblod goes for the inside but PWhitfield covers that line.
Vosblod moves to the outside but does not leave enough room on the inside and ends up in the middle of the middle of the circuit.
Although Paul hits the kerb and slides into Vosblod, he was not left enough room on the inside.

Only Vosblod was affected.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h23m40s

Vosblod enters Moss1 and gets hit from behind by MHunt.

MHunt comes from a long way back and simply brakes too late giving himself nowhere to go as Vosblod takes the racing line to which he is entitled.
The gap that MHunt had to aim for was always going to close as he was not close enough to have any overlap at turn in and simply arrived too fast.

It is doubtful that this was an attempted overtake and probably MHunt was caught out by Vos' braking, but it is always the responsibility of the following driver to avoid a collision.

MHunt took a Stop n Go following the incident but did not need to as they should only be taken following a SHIFT R.


Server replay time: 0h24m00s

PWhitfield spins and is stuck at the exit of Moss2.
He reverses across the track and over the racing line almost collecting Vosblod.
He should have stayed on the inside of the track away from the racing line and reversed away from the corner before rejoining more safely.

P Whitfield took a SHIFT R but did not need to, so I will use this SHIFT R to offset the untaken one from lap 1.


Server replay time: 0h28m00s

AA is lapping PWhitfield who can see and hear him clearly.
AA goes to the left and can be seen in PWs mirrors but AA moves over into him as he had with Vosblod earlier
AA should stay further left because when they touch they are both in the middle of the track, but having said that the impact is clearly PWs fault.
AA takes SHIFT R with no Stop n Go.

When overtaking a car, either for position or while lapping, it is important to stick to your own side of the track. To stray towards the centre line, even if that is the racing line is asking for trouble. In this instance the driver was being lapped and should have lifted off (without compromising his own race).


Server replay time: 0h32m10s

AA attempts to pass Mike but is on the centre line as oppose to his own side of the track. As they reach the right kink before turn 8 AA is already on the centre line and turns right into Mike who stays right of the centre line.
The 2 cars are running closely together but neither replay suggests actual contact though the cars' collision boxes may have touched.

AA is on the centre line similarly to his other incident 4 minutes earlier which also resulted in a crash.
It is the responsibility of the overtaking driver to execute a move cleanly and to stick to their own side of the track during the move.

The violent reaction of AAs car suggests that warp is involved and is a mitigating factor though care should be taken to avoid inviting a warp incident in the future.

Warp Incident

  • Racing incident

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« Reply #15 on: October 13, 2010, 11:24:55 AM +0100 »

Badblood- no worries there m8, 3 weeks ago I had a try in one of the fun races at mosport, had an accident while being lapped exactly like yours, so now I know both points of view! Problem is, I was out of position for some previous 'diversions' and by the fact you were standing in the middle of the straight I supposed I was actually racing a slower car, not lapping someone. But it is true I should have factored in some more braking space. And yes, looking at the reply I did total you...so you are right in that one as well. As for your driving lines, I think Mosport is one of the worst tracks, it is difficult to keep a straight line on the long straight, so, I perfectly understand the reasons for you keeping clear of the grass as much as possible!!

Miner- er..didnt realize I was racing the moderator....lol. Anyway, I have to disagree with your view on our clash, looking at the replay I am pretty much sitting on my line all the way down, there is a bend though before the final uphill, so, I have to turn a little bit right, and you keep pretty much going straight, therefore coming toward me. On the following lap we both kept very well close to our sides of the road, only relatively safe side-by-side driving on that straight I think. My view is a fifty fifty on that one.

I do concede quite a bit of temptativeness in chasing you  Roll Eyes, but hey, chasing a human driven car is the one thing you really cant practise, and I found it most distracting to cope with all the imperfections of human driving as opposed as the relentlessy identical lines of the AI, will need to improve on that.

Will report the incidents later on via the link above though, oh and guys, leave me the chance to get up to spec with my racecraft before I get brabhamed or worse... Cool 
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« Reply #16 on: October 13, 2010, 11:54:54 AM +0100 »

Boy I was not looking forward to this race. Mosport has always been a bad track for me, and so it proved once again. That being said, I got a PB in Qual so couldn't ask for any more.

I took it easy for the first few laps, the guys in front of me were all quite a bit quicker so they were getting away from me anyway. I tried to keep it all together and calm. On lap 3 there was a coming together in front of me, which meant I managed to slip past Ronnie Peterson just before the hairpin. I made a small mistake onto the long straight, I was on the grass and my car slide back onto the track, where I regained grip. It was too late for Ronnie and he rammed into the back of me. I put this down to a racing incident, as I had no control over the car until it was back on the track, and of course Ronnie had no were to go. Sorry for the accident, and of course sorry to anyone else caught up in it.

After that we both took Shift & R’s and got back too it, there was another coming together at the end of the straight, but I’m not sure why. I was defending the inside line and looked to me that I pulled a small advantage out, I checked Prib and my mirrors before pulling back onto line for braking and in both it looked like I had room. Ronnie when off the track, but in my reply there is quite a lot of room there.

Apart from those two incidents I had a couple more unforced spins, where I lost it before braking for the hairpin. I didn’t have the pace of the top guys, and I was happy to finish where I did, my times weren’t as bad as I’d been expecting and I was very pleased with a PB.

Well done to Martin, Tim and Ross for the podium, it certainly looked like a close race at the pointy end. This is looking like a good season, with lots of close battles all over the grid.
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« Reply #17 on: October 13, 2010, 12:56:10 PM +0100 »

looking at the replay I am pretty much sitting on my line all the way down

Which is a good example of why you should clip an incident from your own copy of the replay and attach it to your incident report, as on my replay if I keep right, but on your replay I go straight, it means there may be warp involved and you may or not be penalised on that basis.
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« Reply #18 on: October 13, 2010, 01:45:26 PM +0100 »

As I seem to got the hang of Mosport (I mean staying on the black bit most laps) was hoping for a decent race. My internet connection is getting decidedly worse of late - disco on the starting grid on Sunday & lap 2 or 3 last night.
Spent 45 minutes on the phone to Oranges Customer Support line (in India) whose main conclusion was it wasn't them but the GPL server. As most other people seemed to survive 27 odd laps I'm not convinced.
Anyone else use Orange - am seriously considering looking for a new ISP.
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« Reply #19 on: October 13, 2010, 02:07:47 PM +0100 »

I'm not the superstitious type, but my race on Sunday seemed like a bit of a disaster.  I'd effectively thrown the race away at the first corner, and the car had seemed to under perform during the race. By Novices practice, Monday, things were getting worse - I was a second off my Season 19 pace, despite driving like a maniac! (which is unusual for me)   I began to feel my time as an elite top ranked driver, ( ok, on my street ) was drawing to a close. Embarrassed

I stopped unenthusiastically by the track, a half hour before the Novices 'off', for a systems check, and the car stuttered down the straight as though 2 cylinders were missing!  "Don't panic", I thought, happens all the time in Formula 1.  So I shut down the computer, and commenced to disassemble the pedals.  Found a fair bit of debris inside, and the remnants of a small Moth. "It official", I thought, "My equipment is Moth eaten!" hammer Grumble!  With no obvious damage, I threw it all back together, and returned to the track, with 10 minutes to spare.  Success - all except for the accelerator not working.  Grumble!   The tools started flying, and I had to repeat the whole process again!  
                                                                          
Five minutes late for official practice, but suddenly back in business - my car was up to speed.  So yay!  And fifth on the grid seemed somehow miraculous, after the previous couple of days!  So I sauntered off much relieved, after a tremendous pole lap, from newcomer Artiglietti.

A careless spin early on at turn 3, meant gathering myself up just behind a Ferrari.  It was the fabulous Fabio, who then decided to defend  brilliantly round all the corners, and power down the straight bits.  It was an inspired drive, and very inconsiderate!  It was many laps before a mistake let me through into 3rd place, while being shadowed by Norm the whole time.

Tim suddenly appeared, right in front of me, then braked rather hard for the evocatively named, 5A.  Heavy contact was made, and I exited the complex, an unhappy 2nd.  A quick stop and go, and there was an angry Tim, right on my tail!  There then followed 2 or 3 laps of nail biting stuff, only I had my gloves on.  Finally managed to pull a gap.  And then it was Ross' turn, who I passed recovering from a spin, at the ever popular turn 2, which meant the entire hammer and tongues hanging out process, had to be repeated all over again!  But through the last half dozen laps, I slowly managed to consolidate the lead, into my first win!  Wow! There's pedal power for you.  Cool

It looked like there was some great racing action, all around the track, and plenty of debriefing for our moderator.  My celebration was muted, because I had to drive through another car, to get to the
front.  Belated thanks for the congratulatory remarks post-race.  I always dash off to save a replay, as I'm non-Pribluderized, and like to see what I've missed.  And a big apology to our oft' leader. for
contacting him while he was busy.

Looks like we have a competitive Season ahead - hope to see you all in Austria.  

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« Reply #20 on: October 13, 2010, 02:17:39 PM +0100 »

Spent 45 minutes on the phone to Oranges Customer Support line (in India) whose main conclusion was it wasn't them but the GPL server. As most other people seemed to survive 27 odd laps I'm not convinced.
Anyone else use Orange - am seriously considering looking for a new ISP.
Bill, the other thing to check is whether you have any 'rogue' programs running in the background as things tend to surreptitiously plonk themselves into your start-up. Might be an idea to go through what is running and kill anything non essential.
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« Reply #21 on: October 13, 2010, 02:39:09 PM +0100 »

windows update manager is a bitch for interfering with games. - i turn it off when i`m due to play.

BTW = i`m also on orange and i find them brilliant although my latency (ping) is often a bit long when compared to Virgin`s fibre-optic broadband. My actual through-put is way above average for its class.
Also, Orange have a uk-based support line for more technical issues so if the India-based front line support staff cant help get them to give you the number for the UK chaps. the Indians were very friendly and helpful
on both occasions when i`ve needed help.
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« Reply #22 on: October 13, 2010, 02:58:11 PM +0100 »

Miner- I just did the reports of the accidents with the zip files. I forgot to tick the boxes for the driver involved in the first 2, but they are in the headline, so shouldnt be a prob.

Will leave a post on the novices thread later on...
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« Reply #23 on: October 13, 2010, 03:29:19 PM +0100 »

I've seen them thanks.

In theory, anyone involved should report it themselves but they don't always do so.
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« Reply #24 on: October 13, 2010, 05:16:34 PM +0100 »

I'm the odd one out Mosport has always been a favourite track. When Artigliett ( think we'd better get used to that name) went into the 1 25's it was game over for me as regards pole so I baled out of practice with 5 minutes to go to try & get over the shock.

By all accounts this was an eventful race for everyone. I haven't looked at the replay yet but think I went from 2nd to 1st to 5th back to 2nd & finally 5th. At least all my offs were solo affairs.

Really tried when leading to break away from Ross so he was not in the tow but I was on the limit, as in red mist, & we haven't done 3 laps yet. For me to do a fast lap at Mosport I have to be as close to the kerbs as I can & eventually I hit the inside of turn 1 so from 1st to 5th was the result. Once again I lead a race but can't take it to the end. Phoned Clutch for a Mountside Racing post race analysis, he told me I'm a Muppet. I didn't argue Embarrassed

Well done the Podium boys - I will return

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« Reply #25 on: October 13, 2010, 06:47:10 PM +0100 »

actually Nhance, you aint the odd one out - i adore Mosport in the 65`s.
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« Reply #26 on: October 13, 2010, 10:00:19 PM +0100 »

Yeh but you're just weird Blito  Grin

I am glad that baby is gone, gone, gone  laugh

Just had a go at Zeltweg and I got down to 1:56 and I think I can find a second or two if I can get that second last turn right but 1:51 is insane. It'll still put me last though <sigh>
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« Reply #27 on: October 14, 2010, 01:46:14 AM +0100 »

It'll still put me last though <sigh>
I think I was last in every race of my first season, bar a few times when others disco'd...
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« Reply #28 on: October 14, 2010, 11:58:05 AM +0100 »

looking at the replay I am pretty much sitting on my line all the way down

Which is a good example of why you should clip an incident from your own copy of the replay and attach it to your incident report, as on my replay if I keep right, but on your replay I go straight, it means there may be warp involved and you may or not be penalised on that basis.

Silly question, but can you please tell me how to do this, i.e. clip a single incident from my own reply?
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« Reply #29 on: October 14, 2010, 12:54:44 PM +0100 »

looking at the replay I am pretty much sitting on my line all the way down

Which is a good example of why you should clip an incident from your own copy of the replay and attach it to your incident report, as on my replay if I keep right, but on your replay I go straight, it means there may be warp involved and you may or not be penalised on that basis.

Silly question, but can you please tell me how to do this, i.e. clip a single incident from my own reply?

In the game's replay mode, there's a button that allows you to mark a point for start and finish. Use that and it'll ask you to save the selected piece of the replay.
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