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  • S20H Brno: November 02, 2010
November 02, 2010, 10:46:17 PM +0000 - Brno (1949-64) - UKGPL Season 20 (2010-2011) Historic Trophy (66)
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
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Hristo Itchov
 HikiWazaRacing
BRM P83 F1 1966 1 5:37.527
117.913mph
1 34:23.854
115.702mph
6 5:38.102
117.712mph
Goodyear  
kinghiro
 Clark-Hill Racing
Cooper T81 (Maserati) F1 1966 3 +8.118
115.143mph
2 +1:02.640
112.294mph
6 5:52.235
112.989mph
Firestone  
G Jonsson
 Black Night Racing
Ferrari 312 (1966) F1 1966 6 +21.100
110.975mph
3 +1:56.409
109.525mph
6 5:57.357
111.370mph
Firestone  
FullMetalGasket
 Black Night Racing
Ferrari 312 (1966) F1 1966 2 +0.630
117.693mph
4 +2:07.575
108.967mph
6 5:49.937
113.731mph
Firestone  
Dave Randall
 
BRM P83 F1 1966 7 +23.797
110.147mph
5 +2:22.190
108.245mph
6 5:58.327
111.068mph
Goodyear  
maddog
 
Brabham BT19 (Repco) F1 1966 9 +48.076
103.212mph
6 +2:37.907
107.479mph
6 6:05.657
108.842mph
Goodyear  
Phil Thornton
 Antipasti Racing
Brabham BT19 (Repco) F1 1966 8 +24.250
110.009mph
7 +2:57.648
106.532mph
6 5:59.274
110.776mph
Goodyear  
Al Heller
 Clark-Hill Racing
Eagle T1G (Weslake 1966) F1 1966 5 +20.222
111.248mph
8 +4L
107.238mph
2 6:01.622
110.056mph
Disco
Goodyear  
EvilClive
 HikiWazaRacing
Eagle T1G (Weslake 1966) F1 1966 4 +18.094
111.913mph
9 +6L
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0 ---
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accident
Goodyear  
b_1_rd
 Clark-Hill Racing
Honda RA273 F1 1966 11 +1:09.767
97.715mph
10
---
0 ---
---
Disco
Goodyear  
bernie
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Brabham BT19 (Repco) F1 1966 10 +48.197
103.179mph
11
---
0 ---
---
Disco
Goodyear  
Nigel Smith
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA273 F1 1966 13 12
---
0 ---
---
Disco
Goodyear  
kinghiro
 Clark-Hill Racing
Lotus 43 (BRM) F1 1966 13 DNS ---
---
Firestone  
maddog
 
Brabham BT19 (Repco) F1 1966 14 ---
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Goodyear  
2 UKGPL_T7
 
Brabham BT19 (Repco) F1 1966 12 15 ---
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Goodyear  

Moderator's Report

It was close at the front in quali but misfoutune for Tim, Evil gone in T1 L1 and KingHiro, although he drove a good race, not quick enough made the race a clear win for Hristo, also FL. ,

Despite some action in T1 L1 ther were no incident reported.

SimRacing.org.uk Lap Records
Grand Prix Legends
F1 1966
5:37.527
117.913mph
Hristo Itchov
Qualifying
BRM P83November 02, 2010, 10:46:17 PM +0000
S20H
Grand Prix Legends
F1 1966
5:38.102
117.712mph
Hristo Itchov
Race
BRM P83November 02, 2010, 10:46:17 PM +0000
S20H
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« Reply #75 on: November 03, 2010, 10:05:54 PM +0000 »

I didn't mean it in a way to prevent stress, but to know yourself better which allows you to cope with stress better and understand the reasons for anything that happens against your will.
Thats excactly what I thought you ment by overcoming the problem H. I was just adding some thoughts.
Very inerresting good points from both of you H and Tim. Heard similar from a high ranked kendofighter who gave me advice.
And you obviously have your points based on a solid study H.
Funny why I put myself through all this torture lol.I genuinly want longer races, but still , If I m in a good position and have press from cars catching up from  behind parts of me want my engine to unexplainly explode so I can lean back and say at least it wasn t my fault Cheesy

Very nice lap Tim..I agree that it could have been even faster. Amazing how you handle the car on the edge all the time.
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« Reply #76 on: November 03, 2010, 10:30:32 PM +0000 »

Thats excactly what I thought you ment by overcoming the problem H. I was just adding some thoughts.
Very inerresting good points from both of you H and Tim. Heard similar from a high ranked kendofighter who gave me advice.
And you obviously have your points based on a solid study H.
Funny why I put myself through all this torture lol.I genuinly want longer races, but still , If I m in a good position and have press from cars catching up from  behind parts of me want my engine to unexplainly explode so I can lean back and say at least it wasn t my fault Cheesy

Very nice lap Tim..I agree that it could have been even faster. Amazing how you handle the car on the edge all the time.

Yes, the desire for self-inflicting damage is sometimes hard to control, lol. I think motivation helps a great deal with being relaxed and positive, and that's why I rarely practice before races, or if I do - I try not to do too much of it.

It helps in two ways - it lowers/lessens (or completely gets rid of) expectation for good results and performance, plus it allows you to maintain a higher level of desire to get into the car and just drive.

I guess I have the privilege of not needing to practice most tracks as I've ran them so many times already, but it wasn't the case with Brno, so it took its toll!

Tried the Fezza btw, Tim. What a great car! Managed a 33, but I think a 32 is possible.
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« Reply #77 on: November 03, 2010, 10:37:40 PM +0000 »

I agree totally, But as the previous lap had been a 5:38.6 (Or whatever) I was out on a do or die run  Grin
Tempted to go back and do some more serious lapping and see if I can get down to a 5:36 - as I consider that to be a realistic target in the 312.
Not easy though!  Cheesy

(I think the idea of you doing 33's is going to make me cry afer all my efforts Hit with a wet fish )
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« Reply #78 on: November 03, 2010, 11:14:07 PM +0000 »

Believe it or not, it's faster when you don't overdo it or push too much. Just try taking advantage of that insane amount of torque the Fezza has in a controlled and straightforward manner. BTW, do you use the full revs? I'm not sure, but it seems that taller gears work better, but I didn't have time to do too many adjustments and attempts. Fortunately the default setup (except ARB) was close to what I had in mind, so I stuck to that. It's funny how a 5speed gearbox is easier to set on this car than the 6speed on the BRM.
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« Reply #79 on: November 04, 2010, 06:14:14 AM +0000 »

. I think motivation helps a great deal with being relaxed and positive, and that's why I rarely practice before races, or if I do - I try not to do too much of it.
I know, although I suspected that was a way to go around the problem instead of having to control the preassure and actually take advantage of the practice.
Me too had never tried this track before and I had some time off work.Last evening with practice I ended up sitting 20 hours in on go and just slept a few hours before the race.I went to bed but ideas about this and that turn came up and I got out of bed time and time again to try things out.Right before the race I knew I had fell into the overpractice trap and felt just horrible :'(.Didn t help that I tried to practice to be consistant instead of getting faster.I ended up hotlapping 95 percent of the session

and omg 5.33? Shocked
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« Reply #80 on: November 04, 2010, 08:19:28 AM +0000 »

What I've noticed over the years is that the benefit of practice is rather long-term and it may produce temporary negative effects in short-term. You get to see the positive effects a week or more after you've stopped practicing (though it depends on the person), as if it takes time to accumulate and be properly digested by your mind and body. It's when you stop thinking and forget about it that it settles in.

And yes, 5:33, but I didn't save the replay as I thought I could do a 32, but then the electricity went out just when I was completing a potentially better lap!  Roll Eyes Might have a final go at it if I find time today.
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« Reply #81 on: November 04, 2010, 10:58:06 AM +0000 »

OK, did one last offline session and went down to 5:30.59. Here's the replay and setup:

http://racingleague.co.cc/hikiwaza/downloads/66_HI_brno49_ferrari312_53059_replay_and_setup.zip

I also included the previous lap which was a 31 something.
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« Reply #82 on: November 04, 2010, 02:50:25 PM +0000 »

How does he do it  Smiley

Fantastic H ,  watching Lap1 thought it was a bit raggedy in the esses before the downhill bit , I thought you could do better with a clean lap , forgot you had posted 2 laps  Roll Eyes

2nd lap you really hooked it up there , made the fezzer dance , how you get so much traction , unbelievable .

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Thanks for the driving lesson  Grin
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« Reply #83 on: November 04, 2010, 08:24:14 PM +0000 »

What I've noticed over the years is that the benefit of practice is rather long-term and it may produce temporary negative effects in short-term. You get to see the positive effects a week or more after you've stopped practicing (though it depends on the person), as if it takes time to accumulate and be properly digested by your mind and body. It's when you stop thinking and forget about it that it settles in.

And yes, 5:33, but I didn't save the replay as I thought I could do a 32, but then the electricity went out just when I was completing a potentially better lap!  Roll Eyes Might have a final go at it if I find time today.
Thx H thats a point I haven t given much thought really and I m sure it s true. I sometimes try to drive other tracks with the same setup or just something completely different when I feel I have come into a vicous circle trying to do the same track faster and faster and I just do more and more mistakes without improving.That might be related somehow to what you say but still not the same. Now I m off to see those laps of yours .. Shocked
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« Reply #84 on: November 04, 2010, 08:36:52 PM +0000 »

Thx H thats a point I haven t given much thought really and I m sure it s true. I sometimes try to drive other tracks with the same setup or just something completely different when I feel I have come into a vicous circle trying to do the same track faster and faster and I just do more and more mistakes without improving.That might be related somehow to what you say but still not the same. Now I m off to see those laps of yours .. Shocked

I know exactly what you mean and I think it's the same thing. For instance, when I was trying to beat the 65 Nurb BT7 WR, I did about an hour of running and had to stop because I started doing more and more errors, getting frustrated and not really improving. I ended up 3 secs slower than the WR and didn't really think I could do it.

After 24 hours I had another go and this time it went better, as if the practice from the day before had given fruits - I was just a second off the WR and I started to believe it's possible. Again though, I had to stop because mistakes started creeping in and lap times deteriorated.

On the 3rd day I was struggling initially and kept doing mistakes, and thought I'm trying too much too soon, so I stopped after 2-3 attempts. A couple of hours later though, I managed 2 laps under the WR and that was it.

I remember back a few years ago when I was hotlapping for my Lotus Nurburgring time, I took a 2-3 weeks break from it and when I came back it was a PB on my very first attempt.

Similar thing with Brno here, though it was more about figuring out where I can improve and it was usually little things like braking points, gearing and lines, but still needed 3 days to put it all together and it still took a fair number of attempts, but once it clicked it worked well.

I guess the more experience you have with it, the quicker you recognize where and how to improve your lap time, or learn a (new) track in more detail. Nothing is guaranteed though, as we saw in Pebble Beach.  Roll Eyes

P.S. Thanks, Bernie! As much as I do it for showing off  Grin I also hope it can help others to get ideas that may help them out. I think the key was really not going too sideways and trying to put the power down as smoothly as possible. With the abundance of torque this Fezza has, it was a joy to drive the car like that rather than push beyond the limit to compensate as I usually have to do with the weaker cars. It just felt more normal, lol. BTW, very stiff setup seems to work well here because you can run rather low and still avoid (excessive) bottoming. Makes it a bit tricky in the slow bits though, very slippery there and easy to overdo it.
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