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November 11, 2010, 08:34:40 PM +0000 - Kyalami (1968-87) - UKPnG Version 2 Season 4 Then and Now
Driver
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Navin R Johnson
 TEAM-GTLDK
Ferrari 275 GTB/C (#67028) P&G Group 3 O2L 1 1:33.341
95.077mph
1 1:02:17.546
90.229mph
38 1:33.751
94.661mph
Dunlop  
Mark J
 Legends Racing
Ferrari 275 GTB/C (#67028) P&G Group 3 O2L 7 +1.517
93.557mph
2 +5.138
90.105mph
38 1:35.051
93.367mph
Dunlop  
Legzy
 Team Oldie Racing
Ferrari 275 GTB/C (#66057) P&G Group 3 O2L 4 +0.654
94.416mph
3 +25.226
89.624mph
38 1:35.516
92.912mph
Dunlop  
Ade
 Kerb Crawlers
Ford Mustang Gr2 (#66077) P&G Group 2 8 +1.647
93.429mph
4 +46.369
89.123mph
38 1:35.385
93.040mph
Goodyear  
Geoffers
 Kerb Crawlers
Ford Mustang Gr5 (#6601) P&G Group 5 5 +0.671
94.399mph
5 +1:13.968
88.478mph
38 1:34.300
94.110mph
Dunlop  
pribeiro
 Prodigy Racing
Shelby GT350R (#67018) P&G Group 3 O2L 6 +1.094
93.976mph
6 +1:27.850
88.157mph
38 1:34.265
94.145mph
Goodyear  
Sandor M
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Shelby Cobra 289 (#63012) P&G Group 3 O2L 10 +2.725
92.380mph
7 +1L
86.571mph
37 1:36.350
92.108mph
Dunlop  
goldtop
 Kerb Crawlers
Chevrolet Corvette C2 roadster (#67006) P&G Group 3 O2L 9 +2.596
92.505mph
8 +1.262
86.542mph
37 1:36.994
91.496mph
Goodyear  
Clive Loynes
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Chevrolet Corvette C2 coupe (#65005) P&G Group 3 O2L 3 +0.347
94.725mph
9 +32.947
85.826mph
37 1:35.108
93.311mph
Goodyear  
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Jaguar E-Type (#64004) P&G Group 3 O2L 13 +4.593
90.618mph
10 +2L
85.158mph
36 1:38.267
90.311mph
Dunlop  
Lorenzo Galluzzi
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Shelby GT350R (#66014) P&G Group 3 O2L 2 +0.347
94.725mph
11 +17L 21 1:34.142
94.268mph
DQ
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Ferrari 275 GTB/C (#67092) P&G Group 3 O2L 11 +2.742
92.364mph
12 +19L 19 1:36.075
92.372mph
suspension
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Ferrari 275 GTB/C (#67028) P&G Group 3 O2L 13 +25L 13 1:35.746
92.689mph
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Dunlop  
FullMetalGasket
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Chevrolet Corvette C2 coupe (#62119) P&G Group 3 O2L 12 +2.829
92.280mph
14 +30L 8 1:37.219
91.285mph
unknown
Goodyear  
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GTR2
P&G Group 2
1:34.988
93.429mph
Ade
Qualifying
Ford Mustang Gr2November 11, 2010, 08:34:40 PM +0000
P4TN
GTR2
P&G Group 2
1:35.385
93.040mph
Ade
Race
Ford Mustang Gr2November 11, 2010, 08:34:40 PM +0000
P4TN
GTR2
P&G Group 5
1:34.012
94.399mph
Geoffers
Qualifying
Ford Mustang Gr5November 11, 2010, 08:34:40 PM +0000
P4TN
GTR2
P&G Group 5
1:34.300
94.110mph
Geoffers
Race
Ford Mustang Gr5November 11, 2010, 08:34:40 PM +0000
P4TN
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« on: November 07, 2010, 01:32:50 AM +0000 »

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Practice 1: 19:20 (60 mins)
Qual 2: 20:20 (12 mins)
Race: 20:32 (38 laps)

Cars allowed: Refer to this spreadsheet. Your car choice is limited to your average finish position (trimean).

Drivers with an average finish of 1 - 5.99 are restricted to cars in the Yellow group.
Drivers with an average finish of 6 - 10.99 are restricted to cars in the Yellow and Orange groups.
Drivers with an average finish of 11+ may drive any car from any group.
If your name is not on the list (first time drivers) you are restricted to cars in the Yellow group.

Yellow (average finish 1+)
  • Chevrolet Corvette L76 Roadster
  • Chevrolet Corvette Z06 Coupe (excluding white #5)
  • Ford Falcon Weslake
  • Ford Mustang Trans-Am

Orange (average finish 6+)
  • Ford Falcon Mann
  • Ferrari 275 GTB/C (excluding Speciale)
  • Shelby GT350R SCCA
  • Chevrolet Corvette Z06 Coupe (white #5)
  • Ford Mustang AATC Gr5 #01

Green (average finish 11+)
  • Shelby Cobra 289 Roadster
  • Jaguar E-Type Lightweight (all)
  • Shelby GT350R CASC
  • Chevrolet Corvette L72


Track: Kyalami 1970
Time of Day Setting: 15:00
Weather: Dry
Start: Standing

Tyre wear: 1X
Fuel consumption: 2X
Pit-stops: At least 1 stop is required taking on at least 1 litre of fuel and/or changing 2 tires. You cannot take a mandatory stop at the end of the pace lap, or with less than 1 lap to go.

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« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2010, 08:53:40 AM +0000 »


Spreadsheet needs updating to put Silverstone70 on and, most importantly, Ade into the yellow group!   thumbup1
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« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2010, 11:00:51 AM +0000 »


Spreadsheet needs updating to put Silverstone70 on and, most importantly, Ade into the yellow group!   thumbup1

Where does that put me please?  Grin
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« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2010, 03:13:45 PM +0000 »


Spreadsheet needs updating to put Silverstone70 on and, most importantly, Ade into the yellow group!   thumbup1

Where does that put me please?  Grin

Bill,
If it is your first race then you have to take a car from the yellow group.
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« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2010, 08:17:40 PM +0000 »


Spreadsheet needs updating to put Silverstone70 on and, most importantly, Ade into the yellow group!   thumbup1

Where does that put me please?  Grin

Bill,
If it is your first race then you have to take a car from the yellow group.

Thanks Alex.  No I raced at Silverstone and came last 3 Laps down.
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« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2010, 09:13:37 PM +0000 »


Spreadsheet needs updating to put Silverstone70 on and, most importantly, Ade into the yellow group!   thumbup1

Where does that put me please?  Grin

Bill,
If it is your first race then you have to take a car from the yellow group.

Thanks Alex.  No I raced at Silverstone and came last 3 Laps down.


Of course. How could I forget your exquisite car  Wink

You finished 13th which makes you eligible for class Green.
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« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2010, 08:55:30 AM +0000 »


Spreadsheet needs updating to put Silverstone70 on and, most importantly, Ade into the yellow group!   thumbup1

I noticed a bit of inconsistency in the spreadsheet, Mike & Sandor were given as DNF for Silverstone, however those that DNFed in the first two races were allocated finishing positions. Makes a big difference in some cases!
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« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2010, 01:52:06 PM +0000 »


Spreadsheet needs updating to put Silverstone70 on and, most importantly, Ade into the yellow group!   thumbup1

I noticed a bit of inconsistency in the spreadsheet, Mike & Sandor were given as DNF for Silverstone, however those that DNFed in the first two races were allocated finishing positions. Makes a big difference in some cases!

I guess it was the only way to eliminate the chance for the fastest drivers to drive a Green Group car. Looking at the gap between drivers in the race of Silverstone 70, it worked pretty well in my opinion. If the target is a close race, you can't let the fast people take a car 4-5 seconds faster than the others... In that way there will be a good group reshuffle after every race. In the next one, me and Ade will go  again in the yellow group. At the same time Thomas, Navin and Lorenzo, will go back to the orange.
I see that rule as an incentive for all the people to finish the race, and to have more competitive races. When 2 strong drivers like Thomas Muttram and Lorenzo had the chance to drive a green group car, if you go to check the result of Road America race, you will see that it wasn't a race... Just to make an example, I was 5th on the grid at 5 seconds by the lead... I'm not a champion, but 5 seconds seems too much to have a chance to compete with the first row drivers.
At the same time it's clear that between my 13th position of Road America, and the 13th position of Mike in Silverstone (counted as a DNF), there's a big difference, cause I took advantage of my 13th position choosing an Orange group car, while he has to stay in the yellow group for Silverstone 70 race. The difference is that Mike in Silverstone 70 race, demonstrated to be able to compete with a fast driver like Paulo (in a green group car), that usually don't make even a single training lap before a race. If Paulo would have trained a bit more, it's enough to look at his laptimes during the last laps of the race to understand that he would easily win the race with a better knowledge of car/track combo.
It's logical that we need to find the right balance for the championship rules to have more competitive races, but first of all we have to eliminate the chance for the fastest drivers to drive cars like the L72 if you don't want to kill the race before the start, and that seems to me the easiest way to do it. If you push esc during a race, or you disconnect for any reason and you don't see the checkered flag, your result will count as a DNF. Only in this way your average in placement would not be affected. Another idea could be calculate the DNF as a 10th position in the spreadsheet, so in this way, the driver affected by some connection troubles or involved in an accident, will see his average position getting better and he will have the chance to take an Orange group car for the next race to recover some points in the standings, and at the same time, there will be no chances to take a Green Group car unless you will make a really bad race in the next one.
In this way, just to make an example, the average positions after 4 races would have been:
1) Mike Miller 1+3+10(DNF)+3 = average 4.25 (Yellow)
2) Lorenzo Galluzzi 10(DNF)+1+2+12 = average 6.25 (Orange)
3) Thomas Muttram 10(DNF)+2+4+9 = average 6.25 (Orange)
4) Manteos 2+10(DNF)+1 = average 4.33 (Yellow)

This second solution increases a bit the average of the faster drivers, and decreases a bit that of the slower in case of DNF. At the same time if me and Mike for example will get DNF for the next race, we will stay again in the Yellow Group even with this second solution. I guess this method offers only a few more chances to recover some points in the standings if someone get a DNF in more than 2 races, but never giving the chance for a fast driver to take a green group car, that for me remains the target to have fun and close races.
I hope I was clear enough with my explanations... a bit too long I know Smiley
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« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2010, 02:50:14 PM +0000 »

Good explanation and good idea Manteos. The DNF rule went into effect at Silverstone for the very reason's Manteos outlined. Going forwared, I'd like to treat a DNF as was done at the 2 Silverstone events. If you do not finish, your results are not averaged into the car group spreadsheet.

It's nice to see everyone who started Silverstone 70 took the checkered flag.
The spreadsheet has been updated guys. Check your car selection group.
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« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2010, 02:59:13 PM +0000 »

Ok guys, makes sense to me  thumbup1
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« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2010, 08:56:47 PM +0000 »

Nice track, got some early praccy, its got a nice flow this place, though may suit the monster US cars more...will see! Will probably be in my shiny red Fezza that ive used all season.  Smiley
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« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2010, 10:14:45 AM +0000 »

Anyone up for som practice at Kyalami tonight ?

I can't host myself ( dunno how to do that port fwd thing ) but maybe the practice server ia available or someome else can host a game.


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« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2010, 01:46:19 PM +0000 »

The practice server is running Hotkeys.
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« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2010, 03:23:12 PM +0000 »

The practice server is running Hotkeys.

Ah!  But will it be tonight?  (That's our night not your night.)

There is probably an important round of the championship for the tricycle sim or steam driven tractor sim scheduled.  Or maybe just GTL.  Grin
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« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2010, 05:55:13 PM +0000 »

The practice server is running Hotkeys.
Ah!  But will it be tonight?  (That's our night not your night.)
The server is always available on Tuesday's (currently Wink)

& I'll be there.
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