UKGPL Season 20 (2010-2011) Novices Trophy (65) - Zandvoort (1967) - Nov 9

[Ronniepeterson]

You kicked my ass at the Ring Paul, why not the Castle!

[BadBlood]

You kicked my ass at the Ring Paul, why not the Castle!

Ho ho - the only way I can kick your ass is to drive through - like I did at Mosport lol.

The main reason is that there are unlimited Shift-R's so driving very very slowly (like I did at the 'ring - bet you've never done a 12:09 ) will not work

Also you are sufficiently quicker than me that you can afford a Shift-R and stop and go every two laps and STILL beat me! Mind you Mexico is very crashable so I am hopeful for that one

Thanks anyway for the encouragement.

[miner2049er]

Apologies but the moderation for this race may be late and not done until after Castle Coombe. Not sure yet but don't be surprised if it comes out after Castle Coombe

Blah blah blah busy blah blah blah lousy pay blah blah blah 3 kids blah blah blah wife blah blah blah real life etc.

[BadBlood]

I'll do it - Mind you there would be a LOT of disqualifications

Anyway I've got four kids so stop moaning - we had two boys, wanted a girl but knew we didn't want four. Twin girls

Mind you, a couple we knew in hospital had got pregnant after his vasectomy as he didn't want more than three - TRIPLETS 

[BadBlood]

I'll do it - Mind you there would be a LOT of disqualifications

Actually there would be 14 to be precise. Think about it Mike - you'd be OK

[miner2049er]

Race Mod published. thank you for your patience.

[Artiglietti]

Thank you for the effort Mike.

Some questions popped up while reading:

- Why is it I had 2 penalty points before Zandy, I get 1 point there, I have now 4 penalty points on the board? 2+1 = 4 at UKGPL? Theres something I am not gathering obviously.

- Why is it that a racing incident plus a S-R doesnt bear the S&G thingy? Thats the same it happened with the clash with you in Mosport, don't think you S&G there either. That is obviously assuming the S-R is caused by the racing incident. Of course. So theres something I am not gathering here as well, obviously.

- Not to be anal with somebody else's race, but since this somewhat involves me again, is 1 + 3 = 4 at UKGPL as it is for me? Not clear either, read the rules and didnt find anything unusual in the maths there..

Finally, sorry to Nigel, I had completely forgotten that incident due to a couple of others that much more severely messed my mood...I seem to be willing to climb on your Honda at some point  , that wasnt my intention. I had a look at the replay, and you were hiding in my blind spot for 4 secs before the accident, so I must have checked and thought no one was there. Should have gone in slowly slowly, glad to see you went on unscathed though. As for me, I just moved around my 1 point on the board for that, doesnt make much of a difference. Or...are they actually 2 points  Mike?    

[miner2049er]

Why is it I had 2 penalty points before Zandy, I get 1 point there, I have now 4 penalty points on the board? 2+1 = 4 at UKGPL? Theres something I am not gathering obviously.

The points system is not that simple if I remember correctly, so for example a single warning may = 1 point but a 1 place penalty may be more points. Points don't equate directly to penalties.

Somebody can explain the yellow card and points system more fully than I can.

Why is it that a racing incident plus a S-R doesnt bear the S&G thingy?

Because a Racing Incident is not deemed to be anybody's fault as such. Had Ronnie been found at fault then he would have had to take a SnG but had you been found at fault he would not. As nobody was found to be at fault it is a free SHIFT-R.

[BadBlood]

Not enough disqualifications IMHO 

Thanks Mike

[Artiglietti]

- Since the Moderator (?) is not able to, would be grateful to have that explained by Mr. Somebody, from the regulations it seems as if they equate.

- According to the regulations, cases where a no-fault S&R would NOT apply are:

A racing incident; for example, the driver is knocked off the track during an overtake.

Oh, but also: The driver makes a mistake on their own, for example, blowing their engine or crashing after a loss of control

Theres written rules, and applied ones, just need to know which ones which. So, next time I bend a suspension, I just need to wait for the next chicken?

[Phil Thornton]

- According to the regulations, cases where a no-fault S&R would NOT apply are:

A racing incident; for example, the driver is knocked off the track during an overtake.

Oh, but also: The driver makes a mistake on their own, for example, blowing their engine or crashing after a loss of control

Does this clarify the situation?

Yellow card system is explained here

[vosblod]

- Since the Moderator (?) is not able to, would be grateful to have that explained by Mr. Somebody, from the regulations it seems as if they equate.

Well Mike is Mr Somebody and he is supported by Mr Chief Moderator.
If you wish to appeal please send me a PM

[Artiglietti]

Sorry Phil, it doesnt, those are the pages I went through myself.

It says: 'every 2 yellow card points a driver has above 2, will automatically incur an extra lost place on subsequent penalties and warnings.' I had 2 penalty points, 1 was added to those 2, it should be 3, not 4. Why is it 4?

Also it says: 'Cases where a no fault S&G would NOT apply are:

A racing incident; for example, the driver is knocked off the track during an overtake.'

What does knocked off the track means then?? This would apply to the clash between me and the moderator (?) in Mosport.

In this case though, its rather the case of:

'The driver makes a mistake on their own, for example, blowing their engine or crashing after a loss of control'

Funny thing, I get 1 place lost and  2 penalty points (but why 2??) because I shove someone  whos sitting in my blind spot for 4 secs, without causing him any harm whatsoever, whilst trying to recover after having been reared out of the race and with a zillion cars roaring past me.

The guy who rears me from first to dead last gets 2 positions lost (but his penalty points are 2, equalling the positions lost in his case, why?), which added  to his previous 4 should put him in 4th, but he sits 3rd on the board (why?).

And, especially, someone who spins by himself, bends the suspension, then limps around and crashes into someone else,  and then pretends he has to take a S-R  for that crash gets....a pat on the back from the moderator (?)

[Artiglietti]

I dont need to appeal anything Tim, I did shove someone so I have to yield to what the moderator (?) makes of it.

What should be clarified is the system of penalties, a clear reason why sometimes you get 1 place lost =1 penalty point, or 2 places lost = 2 penalty points, and sometimes you get 1 place lost = 2 penalty points. That is of public interest I think.

Also it should be clarified the problem of the no fault S-R, because as for the posts above, the regulations clearly state something which is not being applied as stated. This is of public interest as well.

And last, but not least, it should be clarified the episode with Ronnie. It is obvious that next time I damage my car I could do the same manoeuvre as him. Just want to be sure I will have the same treatment by the moderator (?)

[miner2049er]

I will reply when I get home from work, but for the record, you seem to be accusing Ronnie of using an incident to get a free reset while the replay report shows no significant damage on Ronnie's car and I think that if you wish to accuse a driver of doing something like that it should be as part of an appeal to the Chief Moderator.

As for not explaining the points system fully to you, it was 11:20 at night and I was going to bed. I suggest that a little more patience may be in order.

Also your keyboard appears to be broken as every time you type Moderator it appears as Moderator (?)