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  • S20H Efexx: March 22, 2011
March 22, 2011, 10:40:09 PM +0000 - Efexx - UKGPL Season 20 (2010-2011) Historic Trophy (66)
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
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EvilClive
 HikiWazaRacing
Brabham BT11 (Climax 2.5) F1 1966 2 +0.275
116.229mph
1 47:59.770
114.708mph
44 1:04.594
116.227mph
Goodyear  
kinghiro
 Clark-Hill Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax 2.5) F1 1966 4 +0.520
115.790mph
2 +17.915
113.999mph
44 1:04.775
115.902mph
Goodyear  
G Jonsson
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax 2.7) F1 1966 7 +0.688
115.491mph
3 +38.612
113.191mph
44 1:05.050
115.412mph
Goodyear  
Nigel Smith
 HikiWazaRacing
Brabham BT11 (Climax 2.7) F1 1966 9 +1.919
113.344mph
4 +3L
106.437mph
41 1:06.124
113.538mph
Goodyear  
Hristo Itchov
 HikiWazaRacing
Lotus 33 (Climax 1966) F1 1966 1 1:04.318
116.726mph
5 +4L
114.274mph
40 1:04.195
116.950mph
Firestone  
Al Heller
 Clark-Hill Racing
Brabham BT11 (BRM V8) F1 1966 3 +0.444
115.926mph
6 +0.429
114.256mph
40 1:04.615
116.189mph
Goodyear  
fpolicardi
 Team7
Ferrari 246 F1 1966 8 +1.030
114.886mph
7 +22.402
113.309mph
40 1:04.640
116.144mph
Firestone  
Dave Randall
 
Brabham BT11 (Climax 2.7) F1 1966 6 +0.668
115.526mph
8 +31L
113.146mph
13 1:04.866
115.740mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Phil Thornton
 Antipasti Racing
Ferrari 246 F1 1966 11 +5.241
107.931mph
9 +35L
106.635mph
9 1:07.275
111.595mph
Disco
Firestone  
FullMetalGasket
 Black Night Racing
Eagle T1F (Climax) F1 1966 5 +0.617
115.617mph
10 +36L
111.816mph
8 1:04.971
115.553mph
Disco
Goodyear  
bernie
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Lotus 33 (Climax 1966) F1 1966 10 +4.125
109.691mph
11 DNS ---
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Firestone  
G Jonsson
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax 2.7) F1 1966 12 ---
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Goodyear  
nig 66smith
 
Lotus 33 (Climax 1966) F1 1966 13 ---
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Firestone  
2 UKGPL_T7
 
BRM P261 (1966) F1 1966 12 14 ---
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Goodyear  

Moderator's Report

Evil took his second win for the season in this freezing event in front of KingHiro and Göran.

No incidents were reported and no L1 incidents.

SimRacing.org.uk Lap Records
Grand Prix Legends
F1 1966
1:04.318
116.726mph
Hristo Itchov
Qualifying
Lotus 33 (Climax 1966)March 22, 2011, 10:40:09 PM +0000
S20H
Grand Prix Legends
F1 1966
1:04.195
116.950mph
Hristo Itchov
Race
Lotus 33 (Climax 1966)March 22, 2011, 10:40:09 PM +0000
S20H
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« Reply #30 on: March 23, 2011, 10:32:50 AM +0000 »

Screen-freeze at 4 laps to go for me too. Sad
It was a strange freeze cause the screen stopped and the engine sound went slowly down like I had blown it.
I was having an interesting race keeping at bay Tim, passing Goran and Tom, avoiding a flying car and battling with Al for third till I missed the braking point of the left hander and dropped down to defend from Goran, then the freeze.
Thx to mods for running the season!
Ciao
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« Reply #31 on: March 23, 2011, 11:09:24 AM +0000 »

There was a suggestion in chat after the race that we should cut it short by 4 laps, before the freezes, and make the standing after 40 laps the result. What do you all think about that? Even if it means I loose my podium position I am willing to do it if you like the idea.

The race it self was pretty much the same as the whole season for me. Too slow and too many mistakes. But it was fun the laps when I was chasing Fulvio, but of cause I messed up when I was trying to pass.

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« Reply #32 on: March 23, 2011, 11:49:50 AM +0000 »

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Bernie scared the life out of me when he spun just as I came to lap him & speared across the track into my path but I managed to brake just in time.

Must have been the ghost of Bernie mate , I had been demoted to the roll of spectator  Cheesy

or was it playbach time  Cheesy
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« Reply #33 on: March 23, 2011, 12:17:51 PM +0000 »

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Bernie scared the life out of me when he spun just as I came to lap him & speared across the track into my path but I managed to brake just in time.

Must have been the ghost of Bernie mate , I had been demoted to the roll of spectator  Cheesy

or was it playbach time  Cheesy

Oops humble apologies Bernie Embarrassed - it was into T1 & I only glanced at Prib as we passed the straight & saw you listed as the car in front but obviously it was one of those weird Prib things! Don't have a replay to check who it was as I got disco'ed - will have to wait for the official replay to see who I should send my laundry bill to Cheesy
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« Reply #34 on: March 23, 2011, 01:23:20 PM +0000 »

There was a suggestion in chat after the race that we should cut it short by 4 laps, before the freezes, and make the standing after 40 laps the result. What do you all think about that? Even if it means I loose my podium position I am willing to do it if you like the idea.

Can you roll it back to about Lap 3 please? that way I'm 3rd  Wink

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« Reply #35 on: March 23, 2011, 02:20:01 PM +0000 »

Up until lap 14 that was a terrific race, had a good battle with KingHiro, Al and Fulvio and it was one of the closest races I've been involved in, fantastic!!

Then, whilst running quite comfortably in 3rd, I checked the pit board and used the wrong marker for the turn in, clipped the pit wall and was sent three-wheeling at full pelt across the track.  Thankfully my fear of bouncing off the bales into someone's path did not materialise and I was at least relieved to do it solo this time, but hugely disappointed with my lapse all the same.

After this incident I watched some of the race and Hristo's valiant attempt to come back at Clive after his excursion, which was thwarted by him putting another wheel on the grass and opening the gap back up to something looking insurmountable.  Then, my machine also froze with an ascending engine note, from which I had to do a 'hard' reboot twice before it recovered!

Thanks to everyone involved for organising and providing such great competition this season, congrats to the podium for this race and to H once again for the Championship.
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« Reply #36 on: March 23, 2011, 02:55:41 PM +0000 »

You mean Dave that you had a screen freeze after you had retired the race? When you were watching, from what position were you watching? Someone`s cockpit or? Was if from the cockpit of one of the drivers that had screen freezes or?

I am quite puzzled about the screen freeze fenomen that is why I ask.

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« Reply #37 on: March 23, 2011, 03:12:27 PM +0000 »

The way you experienced screen freeze and the sound pitch going either up or down is normal, that's how it happens. It picks up the sound pitch at the moment you experience the freeze and keeps extending it to infinity, so it either goes very low or very high. For me it was the latter, with 4 laps to go, just as the rest. Apparently some mutual problem between us, caused by the server end. Also, as I asked and got a positive answer, we all experienced a couple of spikes during practice and race, with the picture jumping for a moment and the sound getting weird before returning to normal, and with cars warping heavily for a second. Go figure...

I had a quite eventful race, but never expected the competition to be so fierce, compared to previous races. The track provides great close racing I must say. Evil was insanely fast and had it not been for getting slipstream from him on my final qualifying lap, I had no chance to take pole. Even had to bump him on the s/f straight to maximize the tow to the last moment, lol.

The race was an up and down for me, because I had to push very hard to keep up with Evil and the others, as those with faster cars would easily catch up or open a gap on the straights. I definitely benefitted from slipstream, but it was still not enough to make definitive passes, so it was quite close whenever we raced side by side in corners.

Eventually I had a big off at T2 and dropped back close to 10 seconds behind Evil and the rest, then drove on the absolute limit to try and close the gap as there were still over 20 laps to go. It took a while to drop the gap to Tom ahead in 4th from 6 to 5 seconds, but after that it began to come down quicker, combined with the fact that I got better used to the car, and also maximized my braking and acceleration as I got more experience with the track.

Eventually I caught up with the drivers in front, but passing was a bit more involved, so we had a hard scrap for 3rd and then 2nd. Evil was about 3-4 seconds up the road though and he was very quick, so it took a couple of laps to bring that gap down to 1-2 seconds. Al managed to keep up close behind all that time, so just when it was shaping up for a great battle for the podium steps, I had my 2nd off in T1 and this time lost a lot more time before I managed to continue.

I kept pushing hard all the way though, which allowed me to catch and pass people for 2nd, but Evil was out of reach with 4 to go. Then some of us experienced the screen freeze and that was it.

Grats to Evil for excelently driven race and quick pace, and a well deserved win! Thanks to all others for the close racing.
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« Reply #38 on: March 23, 2011, 03:44:42 PM +0000 »

No response so far regarding ending the race after lap 40 before the freezes.

If I do not hear anyting about it until midnight tonight I will post the results as it stands like this:

Track: Efexx             Tue Mar 22 23:28:09 2011

RACE RESULTS (After 44 laps)

Pos No Driver                          Team     Nat Laps   Race Time       Diff    Problem
 1  22 65 evilclive                    BraBT115 GBR   44  47m59.770s           
 2  10 King Hiro66                     BraBT115 URU   44  48m17.685s    17.915s
 3  18 Göran Jonsson66                 BraBT117 SWE   44  48m38.382s    38.612s
 4  19 nig 66smith                     BraBT117 IRE   41  48m11.962s   3 lap(s)
 5   2 Colin McRae66                   Lot33Cli GBR   40  43m47.911s   4 lap(s)
 6  38 Al Heller66                     BraBT11B GBR   40  43m48.340s   4 lap(s)
 7  17 Fulvio Policardi-66             Ferr 246 ITA   40  44m10.313s   4 lap(s)
 8  16 Dave Randall-66                 BraBT117 GBR   13  14m22.591s  31 lap(s)
 9   3 Phil Thornton66                 Ferr 246 GBR    9  10m33.638s  35 lap(s)
10  15 Tim Muttram66                   EagleT1F GBR    8   8m57.140s  36 lap(s)
11  12 bernie66 darwin                 Lot33Cli GBR    0 DidNotStart  44 lap(s)
12  21 Göran Jonsson65                 BraBT117 SWE    0 DidNotStart  44 lap(s)
13   4 nig 66smith                     Lot33Cli IRE    0 DidNotStart  44 lap(s)
14  46 2 UKGPL_T7                      BRM P261 ITA    0 DidNotStart  44 lap(s)

If we take the result from the end of lap 40 the order would be: Evil, Hristo, Al, KingHiro, Fulvio, Göran, Nigel and the rest.

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« Reply #39 on: March 23, 2011, 03:50:58 PM +0000 »

Well obviously I'd be in favour of declaring the race pre-freeze & I'd wager that Fulvio & H might agree Wink Although Dave had already crashed - he also discoed at the same time as us so we lost 4 drivers simultaneously... Like you Goran I'd dearly love to know why these freezes keep happening because it's seriously affecting my motivation for online GPL at the moment.

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« Reply #40 on: March 23, 2011, 04:26:30 PM +0000 »

A better end to the season than I had expected. I had missed the race that had been aborted earlier in the season and was somewhat alarmed to see the laptimes that were posted.
By sheer cunning and strategic planning I had dropped out of the Group 1 cars by fluffing ( deliberately of course!!) some recent results and now had the enviable task of choosing between the 2.5 ltr Brabham and the Lotus.

My first thought was to take the Lotus and a few laps had me into the mid 1.05’s, but I found the handling was almost at the limit of what I could push and there did not seem much scope for improvement. So, I dragged out the Brabham barge expecting it to be slower and less nimble.
However, it had very smooth power delivery and more stable in the corners, although it did not feel as fast it immediately knocked half a second off my PB.

Some setup tweaks and I was running mid 1:04’s on full tanks…………..progress! Shocked)

I fully expected Hristo, and a few of the other usual suspects, to be into the 1:03’s and was surprised to be leading the qually with a few mins to go. I could see that my fellow Waza was struggling and positioned myself to give him a helping tow in the last few mins. I just did not mean to give him quite that much of a tow!!

The first few laps were very tight and although I felt that I could go a little quicker, I was reluctant to make a move that might take Hristo and myself out of the race, or screw up and allow the chasing pack the chance to squeeze through!!
I sat back for a couple of laps and drove defensively in the hope that Hristo would get faster if I left him alone and allow us to ease away……..but that did not work and  Al and tim were getting impatient behind me.
 I was in danger of getting passed ( SHE would not approve of that!) and found that I was having to brake earlier than I wanted to, to be sure of avoiding Hristo on the entry to corners, although he was making marginally quicker exits. I think Tim discovered this problem the hard way.
I decided that I had to pass Hristo if only to wind him up and get him to speed up! so I stuck it down the inside at T1 and held a tight line. I hoped that the extra grunt of the Brab would pull us away a little, but al and Tim were sticking with us and H was using the slipstream to launch his own passing moves.
We swapped positions a couple of times over the next few laps and failed to drag a gap back to the 3rd place car. Somewhere Tim lost touch, but Al was lurking!! Then Hristo dropped a wheel onto the grass at T2 and speared off into the boondocks ..scaring the crap out of me as I was close behind him!!
I think that Al and I both had the same thought..”now’s our chance to get away” and I pushed hard with Al in close company for the next few laps. I’m not sure what happened but I suddenly had a couple of seconds lead over Al and was able to break the tow and ease away. It was about then that I realised I did not have enough fuel to finish the race!!! So I spent the next 20 laps short shifting and trying to keep things smoooooth. Hristo recovered and was closing but I knew I was running a steady 1:05  pace and he must be pushing quite hard, so I waited as long as I dared before turning up the wick again and dipping into the 1:04’s to try and keep him behind.
Then he had his second “incident” and I was clear of any hassle all the way to the flag actually finishing with a couple of laps worth of fuel to spare and a much enjoyed win.
The early laps were great racing with about 6 cars in close company, all looking for a chance to pounce.
Sorry that a few of you suffered disco’s or freezes with 4 laps to go..maybe we need some research into why this is happening more frequently this season? as it does not seem to be circuit related…or does it?

Grats to Hristo on winning the Championship for HER…looks like it might be a WAZA 1-2 ( subject to moderation of course ) and thanks to all drivers for a great series of races. Lets do it again next season.
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« Reply #41 on: March 23, 2011, 05:04:54 PM +0000 »

Nice one Clive , though you say you didn't have enough gas you sure made up for it in the report   Cheesy


BTW  How do you know how much fuel you have left ?

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« Reply #42 on: March 23, 2011, 05:11:29 PM +0000 »

Well obviously I'd be in favour of declaring the race pre-freeze & I'd wager that Fulvio & H might agree Wink Although Dave had already crashed - he also discoed at the same time as us so we lost 4 drivers simultaneously... Like you Goran I'd dearly love to know why these freezes keep happening because it's seriously affecting my motivation for online GPL at the moment.

Yes, I agree. We've had a lot more freezes in the last 2-3 seasons than in the past, even on tracks which used to be perfectly OK to race on. Personally it cost me a at least one championship and that's really frustrating.

As for which results to keep, pre or post 40 laps, I'm not sure how you want to decide about it, Goran. You want all of us who participated to vote about it? Of course because it favours me, I'm supporting the pre-40 laps result, but unless you hear from everyone, I don't see how you can decide on it.
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« Reply #43 on: March 23, 2011, 05:18:27 PM +0000 »

Nice one Clive , though you say you didn't have enough gas you sure made up for it in the report   Cheesy


BTW  How do you know how much fuel you have left ?



Haha, I was just about to ask the same after reading Evil's report!  Grin
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« Reply #44 on: March 23, 2011, 06:08:07 PM +0000 »

Had a nice race. had 24 hours + without sleep so my consentration was somewhat sloppy and it cost me almost 10 secs in small mistakes.
Usual result for me,(meaning drop a bit behind qual position then end my race there anyway cause of race dropouts) if we keep the pre freeze results wich I support.
battling was tight in front of me and I kept a bit away from it unless one of them was falling behind. Fulvio managed to pass me while I tried to both keep safe distanse and keep fulvio off. Dave passed me into turn one vary early in the race ,but I braked early because tim was going sideways in front. didn t think anyone would pass me then..wasn t that a bit ungentlemanlike dave? Wink
anyways thx for a great season. I ll get a third in the champuionship and thats more than I hoped for. Smiley



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