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November 23, 2010, 09:48:37 PM +0000 - Castle Combe (1950-98) - UKGPL Season 20 (2010-2011) Amateurs Trophy (65)
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
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Hristo Itchov
 HikiWazaRacing
Brabham BT7 (Climax) F1 1965 1 1:00.375
109.738mph
1 48:54.587
108.370mph
48 1:00.473
109.561mph
Dunlop  
FullMetalGasket
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT7 (Climax) F1 1965 3 +0.344
109.117mph
2 +17.337
107.734mph
48 1:00.885
108.819mph
Dunlop  
EvilClive
 HikiWazaRacing
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 4 +0.435
108.953mph
3 +27.858
107.351mph
48 1:00.878
108.832mph
Dunlop  
Tom van Ostade
 
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 9 +0.779
108.340mph
4 +46.983
106.663mph
48 1:01.242
108.185mph
Dunlop  
fpolicardi
 Team7
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 7 +0.701
108.479mph
5 +1L
106.083mph
47 1:01.351
107.993mph
Goodyear  
Al Heller
 Clark-Hill Racing
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 8 +0.764
108.367mph
6 +3.085
105.972mph
47 1:01.079
108.474mph
Dunlop  
G Jonsson
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 11 +0.986
107.975mph
7 +2L
103.504mph
46 1:01.428
107.857mph
Goodyear  
Phil Thornton
 Antipasti Racing
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 13 +1.765
106.621mph
8 +5.648
103.306mph
46 1:02.354
106.255mph
Dunlop  
b_1_rd
 Clark-Hill Racing
Honda RA272 F1 1965 14 +2.565
105.266mph
9 +28L
103.592mph
20 1:02.794
105.511mph
Disco
Goodyear  
kinghiro
 Clark-Hill Racing
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 2 +0.200
109.376mph
10 +32L
106.549mph
16 1:01.254
108.164mph
Disco
Dunlop  
natan5
 
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 6 +0.635
108.596mph
11 +15.951
104.868mph
16 1:02.058
106.762mph
Disco
Dunlop  
Baab
 
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 5 +0.530
108.783mph
12 +33L
104.783mph
15 1:01.733
107.324mph
Disco
Dunlop  
Turkey Machine
 HikiWazaRacing
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 12 +0.992
107.964mph
13 +39L
99.593mph
9 1:02.162
106.584mph
Disco
Dunlop  
bernie
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 15 +3.065
104.437mph
14 +46L
88.798mph
2 1:09.694
95.065mph
Disco
Dunlop  
Clutch4
 Mountside Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 10 +0.794
108.314mph
15 +47L
83.470mph
1 1:06.345
99.864mph
Disco
Goodyear  
2 UKGPL_T7
 
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 16 16 DNS ---
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Dunlop  

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Castle Combe started with some very close competition until Tom was forced to back off due to technical issues, after a lengthly Chase this eventually allowed Hristo to sneak off and take the win.

It is perhaps of little suprise that the days only reported incident was care of the notorious Avon Rise-Quarry Corner complex.

Goran wins the 'Lead Balloon' award for his car's acrobatics and refusal to die throughout the event - Everyone else simply gets to keep however much hay they can pull out of their radiators after the event.


Server replay time: 0h42m26s

Phil makes room for Tom to lap him entering the Start/Finish straight, this slows him and allows Goran to catch up and draw alongside through Folly.
Goran runs wide onto the grass and is prevented from cleanly passing Phil on the climb to Avon Rise but is still alongside, although he does not achieve 100% overlap by turn in point.
Goran has managed to keep well to the left on his approach to the Rise and Phil has likewise kept to the right as he knows Goran has to be alongside.
Although he attempts to leave Goran room inside Phil misjudges his track position and instead pulls across into Goran.
Neither driver has lost control but also neither driver can see their opponent until the moment of contact itself.

After great consideration I have decided to rule that this was a Racing incident as both drivers can be considered at fault for the incident to some degree - thankfully both were also able to continue and the indident didn't have an outcome on either of the drivers final race positions...

This is a classic example of the GPL blindspot coming into play and the additional caution that needs to be applied when you can't see your opponent. My advice would be to play extra safe in uncertain situations such as this, as the overtaking car Goran might have decided to back off and try again next lap - but by the same token Phil could have chosen to back off to take an even wider line and in that way allowed Goran to take the corner.
Off course this is far easier to say after the event!

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« Reply #30 on: November 23, 2010, 07:17:09 PM +0000 »

I'm using the Hristo method of engine note brake reference .

Can't decide if quarry should be A flat in 4th of F sharp in 5th though  Cheesy

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« Reply #31 on: November 23, 2010, 08:45:09 PM +0000 »

IMPORTANT UPDATE! : For those of you using the high detail version of Combe, There is a bug in the draw distance which can cause CTD's etc.
A fix is available here (Only nessicary if you installed the 'high detail' version of Combe, 'Medium detail' versions are fine and won't cause any issues Smiley


cant get to log in to SRMZ for this atm  Huh
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« Reply #32 on: November 23, 2010, 09:57:44 PM +0000 »

Did a little bit of practice on this one and set a PB by some margin in qually so felt confident about the race.

Didn't drop the clutch properly at the start so the car didn't get away when the flagged dropped. Got hit from behind whilst stationary, but the car seemed Ok when it landed on its wheels.

Did a couple of laps and my pace felt good and i knew i could catch some people in front (a rariety for me in an Ams Race). Passed Bernie, but 2 corners later he hit me from behind. Not sure why but don't really care.

3 Laps / 3 minutes - Load of sh1te and waste of en evening.

As i write this, there's probably 40 Laps remaining in the race so i'd like to be the first to congratulate Hristro on another fantastic win.  Cheesy

I won't sulk though. Back for the next one..yawn.  Wink
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« Reply #33 on: November 23, 2010, 10:09:35 PM +0000 »

Qualified towards the back end of the front of the grid, clobbered somebody off the start when I aimed to get around them after the flag dropped, and trundled around the back of the field behind everybody save for Goran after I spun it.

I don't enjoy the Cooper, it's not a good car in my hands and when I push it to the limits it quickly jumps over and despite me driving what feels like on the ragged edge with my foot to the floor I can't go any quicker with it.

Fulvio's and evil's setups were a dream to drive BTW, but in my hands this thing feels like an asthmatic hamster - just not plain fast enough.
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« Reply #34 on: November 23, 2010, 10:11:54 PM +0000 »

dc .that destroyed not only my race but the rest of the evening too  censored The Q bar went to halfway up and stayed there.Never had anything close to problem before that.It was very smooth. I used the track add on from thomas something that was linked.
anyone knows if resolution can have something to do with it? first time I used default monitor that is 1680 x1050.I ve always ussed 1280 x 1040 something.
really looked forward to this and maybe climb up to third. Don t think I ll prepare much for next race.
I go watch porn
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« Reply #35 on: November 23, 2010, 10:18:17 PM +0000 »

Incidentally, if anyone wants a decent update for this track, as well as many others, visit this guys site below.

http://www.thomas-laechele.de/gpl/

Right, going back to sulk now.
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« Reply #36 on: November 23, 2010, 11:01:20 PM +0000 »

Enjoy the porn Tom LOL. I realise you were upset but we don't use the F word (or the like) in our forums. We do try to keep some standards Grin so I've taken the liberty of amending your post.
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« Reply #37 on: November 23, 2010, 11:07:31 PM +0000 »

Put in a reasonable qually lap but i was never going to trouble the leaders.  Blew an engine in qually too so decided to keep the revs down to 10,500 in the race (I was in the Lotus BTW).

Start of the race was a bit of a disaster, somebody ended up sideways across the track in front of me and I couldn't avoid them.  Then I got shunted from behind.  Thankfully the car seemed OK so I set off after the pack.  Managed to avoid a couple of other stricken cars.  Don't know what happened to them but I didn't add to the carnage by hitting them.

Settled down into a steady rhythm and looked on prib for Steve and Bernie (the only guys in the race at my level the rest of you are a bit too quick).  Saw Bernie behind and Steve ahead so I pressed on.  After a few laps Bernie disappeared off prib but it took me over half the race to reel Steve in.  Just got on his tail and he pulled out just after Avon Rise.  I assume it was engine trouble?  Bad luck Steve.

After that I tried to keep a steady pace and stay on the tarmac.  Goran had been a few seconds back most of the race but he got to within 300 yards of me just as Tom appeared ready to lap us.  Tom got past Goran and I slowed to let Tom by over the start line.  I then accelerated hard but I'd lost a lot of momentum and I didn't know where Goran was but I could hear him so I knew he was close.  As we crested Avon rise I still couldn't see Goran so I tried to stay right but we made contact and we both flew off into the corn field.  Thankfully we could both continue.
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« Reply #38 on: November 23, 2010, 11:12:14 PM +0000 »

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Passed Bernie, but 2 corners later he hit me from behind. Not sure why but don't really care.

Oh no he didn't , a sad end to two of the greatest ( unrecognised ) talents in UKGPL if not the whole world  Roll Eyes


Let the mods decide who if anyone was to blame for the unfortunate coming together  Undecided


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« Reply #39 on: November 23, 2010, 11:17:26 PM +0000 »

Enjoy the porn Tom LOL. I realise you were upset but we don't use the F word (or the like) in our forums. We do try to keep some standards Grin so I've taken the liberty of amending your post.
Sorry.I ve settled down now.not angry anymore . I just sit alone in my apartement and look out the window on the grey cold weather outside. :'(
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« Reply #40 on: November 23, 2010, 11:50:26 PM +0000 »

Results are up  Smiley

Tom did you install the patch I linked to earlier? Server/lag was rock solid for me so afraid it must have been at your end Sad a shame as I was expecting you to wrestle 2nd back off me in a huge fight....

First up I'd like to appologise for forgetting the loose starting grid, I did and double checked everything else and it totally slipped my mind  Embarrassed

Got an OK start although was swapped by BRM's at the drop of the flag due to the grid, it was very busy approaching Quarry but was pleased when everyone got through cleanly - the one BRM to loose in on entry managed to avoid everyone else although they had a distinct effect on mine and Clive's underwear  Shocked

Spent the first 4 laps catching back upto H while trying to get away from Clive who'd attatched some bungies to the gearbox of my car. Eventually when I managed to pass Tom and follow Hristo I managed to escape, the next 10 or so laps were spent trying to get properly into H's slipstream so i could upset him.
This eventually failled when I ran wide at Old Paddock 2 laps in a row and he pulled away to a 2 second gap - with my left rear now far too hot due to the slides I had no choice but to settle into a safe 2nd.
12 million laps later and I finished 17 seconds down having made use of my time experimenting with lines and braking points (And mostly doing it slower  Roll Eyes )

A good race otherwise, congrats to all finishers and commiserations to those who didn't
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« Reply #41 on: November 23, 2010, 11:59:21 PM +0000 »

another rip-roaring success of a race.

The engine blew at 11500 rpm!

Beginning to wonder if its really worth the effort.  Clearly off pace, slower than most of the Novs too, woohoo, awesome! And doesn't look like getting any better any time soon. Undecided
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« Reply #42 on: November 24, 2010, 12:10:51 AM +0000 »

I don't enjoy the Cooper, it's not a good car in my hands and when I push it to the limits it quickly jumps over and despite me driving what feels like on the ragged edge with my foot to the floor I can't go any quicker with it.

As I've said many times before, that's the wrong way to drive these. You're just overdoing it and you lose a lot of speed that way. If you watch the replay from mine or Tim's cars, you'll see we're applying gradual throttle and flooring always costs us some time. You have to be patient with these and only floor them when they're going straight or almost straight.

Thanks, Clutch!  Grin
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« Reply #43 on: November 24, 2010, 12:18:52 AM +0000 »

dc .that destroyed not only my race but the rest of the evening too  censored The Q bar went to halfway up and stayed there.Never had anything close to problem before that.It was very smooth. I used the track add on from thomas something that was linked.
anyone knows if resolution can have something to do with it? first time I used default monitor that is 1680 x1050.I ve always ussed 1280 x 1040 something.
really looked forward to this and maybe climb up to third. Don t think I ll prepare much for next race.
I go watch porn


Sounds like a regular d/c to me, Tom. Shame, because the battle was shaping up nicely. At least we drop the 2 worst results in a season, so you've not lost any chances yet.

As for my race, I tried a lot of setup changes and lines during Qualifying, and discovered some things that gained me a few tenths which was enough to take pole, but I lost 1st place immediately after the start. The darn flagman dropped it too soon while I was still trying to get comfortable in my chair, lol.

I had to follow Tom for some laps and despite being slightly quicker through some corners, his BRM would open up a gap on each straight. Eventually he seemed like he let me by at T3 or maybe he lost the car a bit on entry, not sure. After that he and Tim dropped back a bit, engaged in their own fight.

Soon Tim was clear though and began chasing me hard, closing in to about a second with some very fast cornering through T3 and T5. The gap stabilized at 1 second for a while though and then opened up to 2 seconds and stayed like that for a while again.

Eventually Tim had a problem of some kind because he dropped back further and I could relax a bit, but not too much as there were some 30 laps to go. There were no surprises until the end though and my car was handling very consistently throughout the whole race, so I took full advantage of that.

-=Hristo=-
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« Reply #44 on: November 24, 2010, 12:22:31 AM +0000 »

Not my best performance and even if I had some bad luck on lap 1 I would not have been higher up anyway.

I am not use to being lapped so I hope I did not make it too hard for you to get bye.

I know things got not so good after Tom van Ostade lapped me. At the time I had just closed up on Phil and when he slowed for Tom to pass I say my chance. Well, just as Phil did not know where I was I did not know were he was but somehow I thought I was in front, but I was not and when the turn came, well let`s say we were both lucky but in the process Al and Fulvio were there as well and I just hope that I did not make too much trouble for all involved.

I think I`ll better try not to get lapped again because it was not that much fun really and it seem that I do best when there are not so many cars around.

Maybe it is a bit too early but I hope that I can drop this result at the end of the season and only better my position from now on.

But, realistically with so many new, and old, fast guys around maybe I will see this as my new standard position.  :'(

That is if I can not find a way to better my performance.

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