BadBlood
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« Reply #15 on: December 02, 2010, 09:15:07 AM +0000 » |
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Huge amounts of chances for me to embarrass myself on this one. It is quite a fun circuit though - I I can get down to 2:05 I'll be happy. Going about 2:09 at the mo but if I push it I find myself exploring Virginia - particularly at the first bend and the bend at the end of the back straight - if I take it easy I lose loads of time <sigh>. Still not having too many problems with tyre temps In all seriousness though, if you cut a corner and gain an advantage in terms of time (overtaking people is not really on my agenda) is that penalised?
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Tom van Ostade
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« Reply #16 on: December 02, 2010, 11:42:17 AM +0000 » |
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Thanks Hristo, good to see if not only me who has problems at some parts of the course . Still, gotta figure out where you get those extra 2 seconds from though... BUT... How do you put up with that Papy engine sound? I'd suggest to visit the GPLEA site ASAP and increase your GPL experience ten-fold! Tom. I'm used to the default engine sounds for 67s, so it's rather bad when I don't have that. I actually do have the GPLEA sounds but have reverted to the original for some of the cars, such as the Honda and Ferrari (I think). There are some particular bad properties that some GPLEA sounds have and that's obscuring the tire skid sound too much, being too loud, having either a too low or too high pitch, not looping smoothly or looping some irritating pattern that is really distracting. The defaults are simple, loop smoothly, mix well with the tire skid sound and have a pleasant pitch. I have very sensitive ears and all that affects my driving by a lot. @bernie the lap time is in the video description. UPDATE: Here's my guide of the track and a ZIP file with the replay and car setup: GPL Virginia International Raceway Track Guide, Car Setup and ReplayIt took me a while to adapt to different sounds too when I first tried them after I started driving GPL again, back in 2006. I was having troubles judging the revs in the Brabham BT24 which I used to drive regularly. But it did sound like a V8 rather than some Atari- or SNES-like noise, which I liked as it added to the experience of 'being there'. So I decided to stick with it anyway as I enjoy GPL much more when using them, even if it meant I could be slower. It made for even more satisfaction when I topped the charts regardless . This is really one of the more tricky tracks I've ever driven. I have no idea where H pulls those 2 secs, I seem to be stuck at 1:49.86. But then again I'm no quali man so hoping to be more competitive in the race. This sure is no Tilkedrome though... Tom.
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BadBlood
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« Reply #17 on: December 02, 2010, 12:14:42 PM +0000 » |
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I love the fact that Tom is stuck at 1:49:86 - I measure my laps in seconds or tens of seconds. It really shows the difference. I know that people say practice practice practice but I feel like I am just ingraining bad habits - I miss an apex run wide, hit the grass and spin. Cure is hit the apex properly but what I end up doing is going in more cautiously and staying on the black by being slower - car is not on the limit so does not rotate so I have to wait to get the power on. I need a two man mod so that somebody can give me driving lessons At least I am enjoying it.
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Nigel Smith
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« Reply #18 on: December 02, 2010, 03:00:04 PM +0000 » |
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Don't worry Paul, I managed to get half an hour practice at VIR after our chat last night, and I'm stuck at 2:03. So at least I should have some company. Formation Waza-ing?
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BadBlood
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« Reply #19 on: December 02, 2010, 03:18:36 PM +0000 » |
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Backwards?
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vosblod
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« Reply #20 on: December 02, 2010, 07:31:16 PM +0000 » |
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In all seriousness though, if you cut a corner and gain an advantage in terms of time (overtaking people is not really on my agenda) is that penalised?
Good point and, having gone through the rules, I can't find anything specifically addressing this. This might be because the GPL checkpoints would pick it up and you would be black-flagged. The reason we disable them for online racing is there is a nasty habit of drivers being unfairly black flagged due to warp/server predictions etc. Clearly the odd mistake is just that but if someone deliberately tried to gain an advantage by corner cutting I would say it was the equivalent of Railriding ( rules here) ie 'a driver uses track side objects, typically armco barriers to control the car. Clearly a driver is not using his skill to control the car and will not be allowed to gain an unfair advantage as a result of his actions.'. It being the same thing, ie trying to gain an unfair advantage from the track, I would use that rule and replace 'railriding' with 'corner cutting'. I don't think it's ever been an issue at UKGPL?
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« Reply #21 on: December 02, 2010, 07:36:35 PM +0000 » |
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I seem to be spending a lot of time on the green stuff but I don't think I am gaining any time The question occurred because I kept needing to recover over the grass and after spinning the only straight line cuts off several tough corners - not intentional but unavoidable perhaps. If I felt I had gained such an advantage would a Stop and Go mitigate any penalty? BTW I am going to try and host that BREASTS race tonight at 9pm
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vosblod
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« Reply #22 on: December 02, 2010, 07:40:40 PM +0000 » |
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The question occurred because I kept needing to recover over the grass and after spinning the only straight line cuts off several tough corners - not intentional but unavoidable perhaps. If I felt I had gained such an advantage would a Stop and Go mitigate any penalty?
Well it's a fine line but I think the word 'deliberate' should cover it. If you're recovering from a spin I don't think the cutting of the corner would make up for it and it would clearly be better then rejoining onto the line mid-corner If it was looking like you were doing it in a calculated manner (a calculated spin? LOL) that would be a different case. Common sense must apply but I wouldn't propose introducing a specific Stop and Go requirement.
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« Reply #23 on: December 02, 2010, 07:58:01 PM +0000 » |
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The easier way (note I said easier not easy ) Check lap times using GPLRA , anyone lapping less than 1m59s gets banned
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« Reply #24 on: December 02, 2010, 08:33:04 PM +0000 » |
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I think the only issue with cutting is if you gain time or position on your direct competitors. I also don't really think you can really gain an advantage by cutting at this track, it's rather dangerous to do when you're on the limit and it would compromise your acceleration. I'm finding it easier and more beneficial to stick to the tarmac and only cut with 2 wheels at some spots (which is perfectly legal) as explained in my track guide blog post.
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« Reply #25 on: December 02, 2010, 08:52:40 PM +0000 » |
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and only cut with 2 wheels at some spots (which is perfectly legal).
Is that from general motor racing rules as I don't think UKGPL have anything specifically addressing it?
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« Reply #26 on: December 02, 2010, 10:14:18 PM +0000 » |
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and only cut with 2 wheels at some spots (which is perfectly legal).
Is that from general motor racing rules as I don't think UKGPL have anything specifically addressing it? Yes and from past online races in this and other leagues.
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« Reply #27 on: December 03, 2010, 01:42:28 AM +0000 » |
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I think everybody needs to be tested for band substances prior to qualifying.
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bernie
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« Reply #28 on: December 03, 2010, 10:21:10 AM +0000 » |
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The last race (Mexico) seemed to be an abscence of blue flags so the backmarkers wouldn't know if being lapped , at least I never saw any waved Hope this feature will be included for the forthcoming race or it "could " cause some friction
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Nigel Smith
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« Reply #29 on: December 03, 2010, 10:28:50 AM +0000 » |
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Hannah, I've no room in the cockpit for the drum kit, I'll leave on the grid in front of you
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