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December 07, 2010, 09:48:57 PM +0000 - Dijon-Prenois (GP) - UKGPL Season 20 (2010-2011) Amateurs Trophy (65)
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
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Hristo Itchov
 HikiWazaRacing
Brabham BT7 (Climax) F1 1965 1 1:25.620
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1 47:53.815
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33 1:25.822
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Dunlop  
EvilClive
 HikiWazaRacing
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 2 +0.409
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2 +14.381
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33 1:26.497
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Dunlop  
G Jonsson
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 3 +1.009
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3 +18.295
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33 1:26.832
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Goodyear  
FullMetalGasket
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT7 (Climax) F1 1965 4 +1.052
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4 +21.814
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33 1:26.572
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Dunlop  
Podkrecony_Ziutek
 Clark-Hill Racing
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 6 +1.487
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5 +30.746
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33 1:26.815
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Dunlop  
Turkey Machine
 HikiWazaRacing
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 5 +1.264
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6 +58.504
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33 1:26.572
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Dunlop  
Al Heller
 Clark-Hill Racing
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 8 +2.483
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7 +1:13.013
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33 1:27.987
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Dunlop  
bernie
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 10 +4.316
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8 +1L
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32 1:29.187
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Dunlop  
Clutch4
 Mountside Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 9 +3.067
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9 +19L
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14 1:28.190
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Goodyear  
Phil Thornton
 Antipasti Racing
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 7 +2.132
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10 +31L
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2 1:29.951
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Dunlop  
2 UKGPL_T7
 
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 11 DNS ---
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Dunlop  

Moderator's Report

Dijon proved to provide some great racing, although it recieved mixed reviews from the drivers after the event.
Honors went to Hristo for the win, and eventually - after much argueing - the remaining podium places were claimed by Clive and Goran.


Server replay time: 0h04m06s

Clutch gets a run on Phil down the main straight and they enter the braking zone to T1 side by side.
Phil knows Clutch is to his inside so leaves room and turns in late, Clutch attempts to brake late while holding the inside line to give Phil room.
At the Turn in point Clutch looses the rear end slightly and over corrects, this causes him to drift out to - and slightly beyond - the center line of the corner where he contacts Phils car.
The server replay suggests there was always going to be slight contact, but what then occured was massively exagerated by lag (Phil's connection appears to be slightly 'iffy' for this race).

Having reviewed the incident and searched the regs, I have decided to go with a Marginal Side by Side contact as the incident fits almost perfectly:
1. In a corner, after a legitimate overtaking attempt the cars end up side by side. One driver looses control and strays from their side of the track. Contact is made. Warning for driver that moves over.

When performing a late braking maneuver drivers should remember to anticipate and match steering angle to braking effort - sometimes it can be just as effective to brake at near enough the normal point and take advantage of having the more settled car for a good clean exit.

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« on: December 02, 2010, 06:30:45 PM +0000 »

The last of the Amateurs competitors have now dragged themselves away from the plethora of pubs in the West country and staggered aboard the Dover/Calais ferries.
Assuming they escape the clutches of the duty-free section their next stop is Mustard country only a (relatively) short drive from the Champagne region, so plently of Mumm will be on offer to the competitors here!  Grin

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IP address = 62.149.202.168
Race date = 07-12-2010
Time = 21:00 UK time
Track = Dijon Prenois 1981 (V2)

Variant = 65F1
Damage Model = PRO
Qualifying time = 35 minutes. Don't start until 30 mins left on clock to allow everyone to join.
Race length = 50 minutes (laps 33)
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65 Patch: The 2.02 Release of the 65mod can be used.

Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page
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Reserve drivers should not join the server(s) until there are only 30 minutes of qualifying left. Please restrict chat to pit messages. Moderating will be by reported incidents only, however the moderators reserve the right to review any incident with a particular emphasis on lap one. The aim is to review the race the following weekend so incident reports should be submitted within five days of the race (ie the following Friday). We're hopeful most incidents can be resolved amicably and recommend a days deep breath with a replay review before posting. A sorry in the forum won't be taken as an automatic admission of guilt by the moderators.
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About the Track

Dijon-Prenois is a 3.801 km (2.361 mile) motor racing circuit located in Prenois, near Dijon, France. The undulating track is noted for its fast, sweeping bends.

Built in 1972, Dijon-Prenois hosted the Formula One French Grand Prix five times, and the Swiss Grand Prix once in 1982. The first F1 race was run in 1974 on the circuit's original 3.289 km (2 mile) layout; with lap times under the one minute mark, there was an extreme problem with congested traffic between the race leaders and the back-markers. Therefore, in 1975 an extension was added to lengthen the circuit, and many corners were reprofiled to allow the return of F1 to Dijon in 1977.
The 1979 French Grand Prix featured a memorable battle for second place in the final laps between Gilles Villeneuve's Ferrari and René Arnoux's Renault, which was finally won by Villeneuve. The race itself was won by Jean-Pierre Jabouille in the other Renault.

Although Formula One has not returned to Dijon since 1984, the circuit continues to be used today mostly for minor, predominantly local races, however Dijon specialises in running classis and historic race events and has also hosted rounds of the FIA GT championship. These include club level events and Motorcycle racing.

You can view RenĂ© and Gille's battle on youtube, it remains for me one of the greatest battles in F1  angel
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« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2010, 10:15:31 PM +0000 »

Dijon  Smiley Its Mustard  Grin
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« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2010, 12:52:06 AM +0000 »

After my mess up of thinking we're going to race Pic du Midi, I did some laps around Dijon, working on a setup and trying to figure out the track. I've only raced it with 67 cars before, so it feels quite different in the BT7. Here's a lap that I recorded and as it turns out - my current PB:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRRxZeoKEaM

I'll write a track guide later and post it on the blog, along with a replay and the setup for those who need them.

EDIT: Here is the guide:

http://racingleague.co.cc/hikiwaza/track-guides/an-onboard-lap-around-dijon-prenois-81-in-brabham-bt7/
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« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2010, 08:58:01 AM +0000 »

I have question to management of UKGPL  Wink

When driving on this track, should we try to keep car between white lines, or can we drive like Hristo? To me, this surface outside white lines isn't part of actual race track and we shouldn't use it to gain time.
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« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2010, 09:23:50 AM +0000 »

Thanks H for the replay. Now I am only like 2 sec slower than you, in the BT11 that is. Lucky for me the race is not until Tuesday.

I have question to management of UKGPL  Wink

When driving on this track, should we try to keep car between white lines, or can we drive like Hristo? To me, this surface outside white lines isn't part of actual race track and we shouldn't use it to gain time.

I do not think it would be possible to monitor if someone goes outside the white lines so I say we allow it. After all it is the same for everyone.

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« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2010, 12:52:32 PM +0000 »

I think it is ok to use the wider track as the racing groove actually runs out over that area in several places, and as Goran said....how the heck are you going to check where everyone takes there cars???

Hristo's video and description of the track is very good and he certainly intends to use all the width available to him ( and anything else he can find!!)
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« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2010, 04:46:12 PM +0000 »

I have question to management of UKGPL  Wink

When driving on this track, should we try to keep car between white lines, or can we drive like Hristo? To me, this surface outside white lines isn't part of actual race track and we shouldn't use it to gain time.

Well, you're wrong because they even used those parts of the track in real life. What's with mindless following of white lines, this isn't modern F1, why bother? Actually even in modern F1 there are tracks where they go off the white lines if there's tarmac/concrete there (Singapoore comes to mind).

Why does it bother you that much personally, it's not like it requires any skill to use the whole track width, anyone can do it and it's the safer and easier way to drive around...

And can you really keep within the white lines all the time, especially when following another car closely and you can't see the road, or you go for a pass and accidently cut across? I don't think so...

Evil is right, I intend to drive as I do on the video, so DQ me of you want after the race.  Wink
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« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2010, 05:02:39 PM +0000 »

Evil is right, I intend to drive as I do on the video, so DQ me of you want after the race.  Wink
Oh dear over to FMG LOL
In all seriousness we have looked at the issue vis a vis our rules and the background is UKGPL have followed the GPL Rank rules on world records. Every claim to a world record lap has to be supported by a full replay and is allegedly examined frame by frame to ensure that 2 wheels are always on the tarmac. Therefore "clipping" a corner by putting the 2 inside wheels on the grass is deemed acceptable and is entirely at the risk of the driver, if this results in contact with another car because of the loss of direction/control, then we have rules to cover that.
I think this would cater for the situation above. That said Division Moderators can bring in a specific ruling per track/event if deemed prudent.

PS: I have taken the liberty of quoting Clive as he put it very succinctly.
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« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2010, 05:14:10 PM +0000 »

Well, I am putting no more than 2 wheels in the gravel.  Wink In fact, I would prefer not to step into it at all, if possible. It's not the fastest way around IMO, but it's safe to do it when necessary.
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« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2010, 08:27:34 PM +0000 »

Well, you're wrong because they even used those parts of the track in real life.

I didn't know that.

What's with mindless following of white lines, this isn't modern F1, why bother? Actually even in modern F1 there are tracks where they go off the white lines if there's tarmac/concrete there (Singapoore comes to mind).

This will be little OT, but: In modern F1 you must keep between white lines. Drivers don't do that because nobody is giving them penalties for doing that. If F1 had the same marshals as they have in GT1 series, there would be quite a lot of penalties Wink

Why does it bother you that much personally, it's not like it requires any skill to use the whole track width, anyone can do it and it's the safer and easier way to drive around...

It doesn't bother me at all. I just want to know official position of UKGPL authorities about this problem, so I could adjust my driving. It wouldn't be the first time when one of the Mods gave us a official position about cutting(like at Pebble Beach)

And can you really keep within the white lines all the time, especially when following another car closely and you can't see the road, or you go for a pass and accidently cut across? I don't think so...

I haven't done to many laps at this track in GPL, but in RF I had no problems Tongue

Evil is right, I intend to drive as I do on the video, so DQ me of you want after the race.  Wink

I just wanted to know if this part of track can be used or not, so nobody would be surprised with DQ afther the race.
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« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2010, 09:08:43 PM +0000 »

I'm in so much trouble... I felt like the lap was on the edge the whole time and it only was a 1:29.40 in the Cooper.

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« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2010, 09:42:37 PM +0000 »

I'm in so much trouble... I felt like the lap was on the edge the whole time and it only was a 1:29.40 in the Cooper.

HELP!

I can't help you more than with what I already wrote in great detail on the Waza blog, Jethro!  Roll Eyes

Merge my lap with yours and see where you lose time exactly, I guess.
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« Reply #12 on: December 06, 2010, 10:41:34 PM +0000 »

Well, after some hard graft and consistency (down to 1:27.73) it's as I suspected. 2 tenths in S1, 1 second in S2, another second in S3 and about even (how?) in S4.

Only difference is the lines through a couple corners and you get on the power so much earlier. I physically can't do that otherwise I just spin. :/

Lots more practice I guess. Tomorrow evening's gonna be busy.
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« Reply #13 on: December 06, 2010, 11:04:55 PM +0000 »

Well, after some hard graft and consistency (down to 1:27.73) it's as I suspected. 2 tenths in S1, 1 second in S2, another second in S3 and about even (how?) in S4.

Only difference is the lines through a couple corners and you get on the power so much earlier. I physically can't do that otherwise I just spin. :/

Lots more practice I guess. Tomorrow evening's gonna be busy.

To get on the power earlier, you need to have the car going at a lower speed at the moment of stepping onto the throttle, otherwise the tires can't cope with the demands and lose grip. So brake hard but on time and turn-in/trailbrake early, so you can have the car turning around already on corner entry and focus on playing with the throttle once you get off the brake. I'm willing to bet you carry too much speed into the corner and that's why you can't accelerate early, and your car is probably not pointing in the right direction. Also, the initial moment of throttle application has to be smooth and not sudden.

As for sectors, I suppose the last sector is only 1 corner or something and being a smooth long corner you're probably good at it (judging from your Kya/Zandy performance).
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« Reply #14 on: December 07, 2010, 07:23:43 PM +0000 »

Due to the difficulty of modding the race I'm going to say go with useing the concrete/tarmac sections of track - As The Other Tim says we have rules to cope with accidents caused by people doing this and contacting people.
I think that as with Pebble beach I'd rather stick to the '2 wheels on/in the track' rule but as it'd make moderation a nightmare just don't take the monkey  Wink

As for disqualifications : If Hristo wins this one I think it's fair to DQ him on the basis he gained an unfair advantage, no?  Grin
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