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  • S20A Dijon-Prenois: December 07, 2010
December 07, 2010, 09:48:57 PM +0000 - Dijon-Prenois (GP) - UKGPL Season 20 (2010-2011) Amateurs Trophy (65)
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Hristo Itchov
 HikiWazaRacing
Brabham BT7 (Climax) F1 1965 1 1:25.620
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1 47:53.815
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33 1:25.822
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Dunlop  
EvilClive
 HikiWazaRacing
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 2 +0.409
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2 +14.381
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33 1:26.497
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Dunlop  
G Jonsson
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 3 +1.009
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3 +18.295
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33 1:26.832
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Goodyear  
FullMetalGasket
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT7 (Climax) F1 1965 4 +1.052
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4 +21.814
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33 1:26.572
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Dunlop  
Podkrecony_Ziutek
 Clark-Hill Racing
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 6 +1.487
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5 +30.746
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33 1:26.815
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Dunlop  
Turkey Machine
 HikiWazaRacing
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 5 +1.264
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6 +58.504
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33 1:26.572
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Dunlop  
Al Heller
 Clark-Hill Racing
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 8 +2.483
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7 +1:13.013
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33 1:27.987
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Dunlop  
bernie
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 10 +4.316
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8 +1L
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32 1:29.187
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Dunlop  
Clutch4
 Mountside Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 9 +3.067
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9 +19L
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14 1:28.190
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Goodyear  
Phil Thornton
 Antipasti Racing
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 7 +2.132
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10 +31L
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2 1:29.951
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Dunlop  
2 UKGPL_T7
 
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 11 DNS ---
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Dunlop  

Moderator's Report

Dijon proved to provide some great racing, although it recieved mixed reviews from the drivers after the event.
Honors went to Hristo for the win, and eventually - after much argueing - the remaining podium places were claimed by Clive and Goran.


Server replay time: 0h04m06s

Clutch gets a run on Phil down the main straight and they enter the braking zone to T1 side by side.
Phil knows Clutch is to his inside so leaves room and turns in late, Clutch attempts to brake late while holding the inside line to give Phil room.
At the Turn in point Clutch looses the rear end slightly and over corrects, this causes him to drift out to - and slightly beyond - the center line of the corner where he contacts Phils car.
The server replay suggests there was always going to be slight contact, but what then occured was massively exagerated by lag (Phil's connection appears to be slightly 'iffy' for this race).

Having reviewed the incident and searched the regs, I have decided to go with a Marginal Side by Side contact as the incident fits almost perfectly:
1. In a corner, after a legitimate overtaking attempt the cars end up side by side. One driver looses control and strays from their side of the track. Contact is made. Warning for driver that moves over.

When performing a late braking maneuver drivers should remember to anticipate and match steering angle to braking effort - sometimes it can be just as effective to brake at near enough the normal point and take advantage of having the more settled car for a good clean exit.

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« Reply #30 on: January 19, 2011, 05:02:37 PM +0000 »

Despite the fact I choose the tracks I actually only practice for an hour immediatly prior to each race so can hardly claim to prepare properly either  Grin

I think Jethro just needs to concentrate on his consistency and recognise when he can and can't push harder. Sometimes you just don't have the pace, recognaising that and accepting it can make the difference between a comfy 3rd/4th and crashing out through trying too hard in my experience Smiley
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« Reply #31 on: January 19, 2011, 07:44:42 PM +0000 »

Despite the fact I choose the tracks I actually only practice for an hour immediatly prior to each race so can hardly claim to prepare properly either  Grin

I think Jethro just needs to concentrate on his consistency and recognise when he can and can't push harder. Sometimes you just don't have the pace, recognaising that and accepting it can make the difference between a comfy 3rd/4th and crashing out through trying too hard in my experience Smiley

It's a matter of experience though. I don't need to practice much either, sometimes not at all, but Jethro's obviously lacking that experience and would benefit greatly from a serious focused practice run.
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« Reply #32 on: January 20, 2011, 02:39:58 PM +0000 »

Despite the fact I choose the tracks I actually only practice for an hour immediatly prior to each race so can hardly claim to prepare properly either  Grin

I think Jethro just needs to concentrate on his consistency and recognise when he can and can't push harder. Sometimes you just don't have the pace, recognaising that and accepting it can make the difference between a comfy 3rd/4th and crashing out through trying too hard in my experience Smiley

It's a matter of experience though. I don't need to practice much either, sometimes not at all, but Jethro's obviously lacking that experience and would benefit greatly from a serious focused practice run.

I practised more for Dijon than any race this season thus far, and was not comfortable with the car at any point, except in the race.

Not to mention I think in that one I had the most monumental draft thanks to Al's Bourne supremacy!
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« Reply #33 on: January 20, 2011, 03:23:52 PM +0000 »

What the.... just noticed me and FMG got the same fastest lap to within 1 thousandth of a second!!! Shocked

And then you try to convince us you suck in the Cooper!  Roll Eyes

I do! I hate the blasted thing. I can't push it like I could the BT11 at all. It's such a temperamental underpowered thing that I feel almost constantly on the limit but not going any quicker. I try and brake later but it doesn't help much.

I'm finding, like the Kyalami BREASTS race we did a while back, that few tracks I can dial into first time and keep on the money. This place almost suited me once I got into a nice rhythm, but the majority of tracks on the Amateurs calendar this season have been very, um, tricky to effectively set up for.
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« Reply #34 on: January 20, 2011, 03:44:54 PM +0000 »

I try and brake later but it doesn't help much.

AHAAA! There's your flaw, but haven't I said that already numerous times? You won't gain time with an underpowered car by braking later. You need to compensate for its lack of power by carrying more speed into the fast corners and by having more speed on corner exit out of the slow and medium speed ones. And I don't get why you dislike the Cooper's handling, it's very precise, nimble and forgiving. You're probably pushing too much and sliding around too much. The lack of power means that when you do that you lose a lot of speed, because the engine cannot overcome the grip of the tires to keep the car going into the direction you want.
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« Reply #35 on: March 03, 2011, 03:51:12 PM +0000 »

Mod report published.

Appologies for the massive delay on this one, as many of you will know by now I was in the process of being made redundant at about this time so was slightly distracted.
Not a great excuse I admit, but there you go. At least the outcome has no effect on points hauls so it's of no real consequence  Smiley
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« Reply #36 on: March 04, 2011, 01:26:10 AM +0000 »

Nice job, Tim.  Smiley
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