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January 09, 2011, 09:41:57 PM +0000 - Watkins Glen (Classic) - UKGPL Season 20 (2010-2011) Graduates Cup (67) Works
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Podkrecony_Ziutek
 Clark-Hill Racing
Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 3 +0.309
127.126mph
1 49:40.379
125.000mph
45 1:05.544
126.310mph
Firestone  
Tom van Ostade
 
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 5 +0.388
126.972mph
2 +1.441
124.940mph
45 1:05.121
127.130mph
Firestone  
Samb
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 7 +1.098
125.604mph
3 +36.262
123.497mph
45 1:05.740
125.933mph
Goodyear  
FullMetalGasket
 Black Night Racing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 8 +1.105
125.591mph
4 +50.033
122.936mph
45 1:06.176
125.103mph
Firestone  
fpolicardi
 Team7
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 6 +0.801
126.173mph
5 +58.365
122.599mph
45 1:05.839
125.744mph
Goodyear  
Baab
 
Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 2 +0.071
127.592mph
6 +1L
120.940mph
44 1:05.691
126.027mph
Firestone  
Al Heller
 Clark-Hill Racing
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 13 +1.994
123.920mph
7 +2.200
120.852mph
44 1:07.176
123.241mph
Firestone  
Hristo Itchov
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 1 1:04.814
127.732mph
8 (+3) +3L
123.873mph
42 1:05.595
126.211mph
Firestone  
john roberts
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 9 +1.114
125.574mph
9 +18L
120.676mph
27 1:06.337
124.800mph
accident
Goodyear  
b_1_rd
 Clark-Hill Racing
Eagle T1G (Weslake 1967) F1 1967 14 +2.155
123.622mph
10 +26L
119.608mph
19 1:06.701
124.119mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Rick Nauman
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 11 +1.458
124.922mph
11 +33L
121.317mph
12 1:07.062
123.450mph
Disco
Goodyear  
EvilClive
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 10 +1.333
125.158mph
12 +41L
118.895mph
4 1:07.218
123.164mph
Disco
Firestone  
kinghiro
 Clark-Hill Racing
Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 4 +0.353
127.040mph
13 +44L
113.798mph
1 1:12.551
114.111mph
Disco
Firestone  
Turkey Machine
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 12 +1.897
124.100mph
14 DNS ---
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Firestone  
6 UKGPL
 
BRM P115 F1 1967 15 15 ---
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Goodyear  

Moderator's Report

A win in the Grads by Bartosz with Tom leading the championship after six races. Some issues raised re following cars (see below).


Server replay time: 0h01m38s

Bob (Baab) and Hristo.
Hristo is following Bob into big bend when Hristo collides into the rear of Bob. It should be noted Bob braked slightly earlier then normal (less then one second) the reason given that this was lap one with cold tyres and full fuel and he was being extra cautious. This is a perfectly feasible reason and the braking does not appear to be dangerously early.

The rules have this;
"In all cases, the following car is responsible for maintaining a safe gap and the driver needs to be cognizant of the possibility of the lead car slowing for no apparent reason."

Simple Rear End Shunt: Penalty 1 Place
The victim was in full control but braked early (not counting lap 1) compared with the average for the division. The shunter had not followed the victim at a safe distance for a lap or two. The shunter was in full control.

Technically, in view of the above wording, being a lap one incident could put this into Blatant territory however a penalty of 1 place (plus 1 for a lap one incident) is deemed enough in this instance.

  • Hristo Itchovpenalty — Simple Rear End Shunt — 2 places lost


Server replay time: 0h14m57s

Hristo and Rick.
Hristo is following Rick into the loop. Rick is not 100% in control of his car but would have made it through. Hristo hits the rear of Rick. At this point I would like to quote an excerpt from the recommended driver behaviour;

"Never run into the back of someone in front of you. This is probably one of the silliest things one driver can do to another. There’s few excuses here. If you are behind then you have the responsibility to drive in a manner that will not lead to you running into a car ahead. It doesn't matter if you're faster, think you have the right to be let by, are more talented, or think that all slower drivers should not hold up faster drivers. If you're behind someone then that's your tough luck. You have to earn your pass the same as anyone. However frustrated you may be, or whatever, it is your responsibility not to run into the car in front of you. Even if their braking zones occur earlier than yours would normally, then tough luck. You have to anticipate these possibilities and drive accordingly."

It is noted that Rick was not fully in control therefore the rules have this;

Simple Rear End Shunt: Penalty 1 Place
The victim had partially lost control before contact and consequently his line was unusual. The shunter was in full control.

  • Hristo Itchovpenalty — Simple Rear End Shunt — 1 place lost

January 10, 2011, 12:41:25 PM +0000 - Watkins Glen (Classic) - UKGPL Season 20 (2010-2011) Graduates Cup (67) Privateers
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
il_lupo_mannaro
 
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 2 +0.533
123.488mph
1 51:05.826
121.544mph
45 1:07.189
123.245mph
Firestone  
bernie
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 3 +0.697
123.186mph
2 +6.813
121.274mph
45 1:06.425
124.663mph
Goodyear  
Ronniepeterson
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 1 1:06.524
124.477mph
3 +13.280
121.019mph
45 1:06.572
124.387mph
Goodyear  
Billy Nobrakes
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 4 +1.158
122.347mph
4 +1L
116.852mph
44 1:08.164
121.482mph
Goodyear  
maddog
 Antipasti Racing
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 5 +1.442
121.836mph
5 +25.071
115.920mph
44 1:07.884
121.983mph
Firestone  
Nigel Smith
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 7 +2.285
120.343mph
6 +2L
114.440mph
43 1:08.901
120.183mph
Firestone  
hannah
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 8 +2.867
119.334mph
7 +9L
108.987mph
36 1:09.809
118.619mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Michael Turner
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Eagle T1G (Weslake 1967) F1 1967 6 +1.463
121.798mph
8 +11L
116.766mph
34 1:08.231
121.363mph
Disco
Goodyear  
BadBlood
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 9 +6.828
112.890mph
9 +21L
102.025mph
24 1:12.953
113.507mph
Disco
Firestone  
2 UKGPL_T7
 
BRM P115 F1 1967 10 10 DNS ---
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Goodyear  

Moderator's Report

A maiden win in the Privateers for Fabio puts him in with a shot at the title, well done. This leaves Bernie, Ronnie and Fabio the toppermost of the poppermost.


Server replay time: 0h06m42s

Ronnie hits Paul Badblood while attempting to pass. On the face of it this leans towards an ambitous overtake scenario.
However, Ronnie was much faster (the rules have this; 'Some discretion may be afforded if there was a vast difference in ability between the drivers'), and it appears to be a case of confusion by both parties. Paul had no intention of resisting Ronnie but both appear to have misread each other as to which side the pass was going to be. That said the onus is always on the overtaking driver and perhaps he should have considered backing off until the upcoming straight.

Under the circumstances a caution to Ronnie to take extra care when passing a slower driver is appropriate.


Server replay time: 0h11m11s

Fabio goes to pass Hannah and ends up alongside him going into the corner. There is a contact of sorts. Contact in that Hannah is knocked out BUT on both the server and Fabio's replay he cannot be held to be fully aware of any impact and carries on as normal. Normally this could be construed as warp contact but, in this instance, the contact appears inevitable. Hence, discounting warp as a scenario, there was an opportunity to Hannah's right and Fabio can be seen in his mirrors pulling out and dissappearing ie Hannah must assume Fabio is on his right approaching the turn.

Therefore this seems most appropriate;
"Contested Side by Side contact: Racing Incident
In a corner, after a legitimate overtaking attempt the cars end up side by side. Both drivers move over instead of staying on their own side of the track. Contact is made. Racing Incident."

Admittedly Fabio did not move over as such but it would not seem appropriate to penalise Hannah ('In a corner, after a legitimate overtaking attempt the cars end up side by side. One driver moves over instead of staying on their own side of the track. Contact is made. Penalty for driver that moves over') in this instance.

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« on: December 30, 2010, 03:08:23 PM +0000 »

Onto our first race after the xmas break, Tom V O leads the Works with Hristo and John R in equal second. In Privateers Bernie and Ronnie are pulling a gap in what promises to be an exciting second half.

Subject to a viable number of entrants we are running two separate grids for Works and Privateers drivers this season. The Works will run on PRO Damage and Privateers will run on Intermediate Damage with the allowance of ONE shift-R reset. No Shift-Rs are allowed in practice unless authorized by the moderator. A Shift-R (fault or not) MUST be followed by a Stop & Go. A Shift-R for tyres/fuel is not allowed. Any driver taking more then ONE Shift-R OR failing to take a Stop & Go will be disqualified from the race result.

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Race length = 50 minutes (laps 45)
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The Works will run on PRO Damage and Privateers will run on Intermediate Damage with the allowance of ONE shift-R reset. No Shift-Rs are allowed in practice unless authorized by the moderator. A Shift-R (fault or not) MUST be followed by a Stop & Go. A Shift-R for tyres/fuel is not allowed. Any driver taking more then ONE Shift-R OR failing to take a Stop & Go will be disqualified from the race result.

With the token system chassis strategy will be a factor. A driver must have sufficient tokens for the chassis he drives in the race.  Any driver who does not have sufficient tokens will be disqualified from the result and his tokens will be set to zero.

Chassis costs;
Lotus 20 / Eagle 17 / Ferrari 15 / Brabham 10 / Cooper 5 / Honda 3 / BRM 0

To see your current tokens hover your mouse over your total points on the championship standings page. Ten tokens will be added when you cross the start line.

The Championship is split into two sub-divisions, namely Works and Privateers. The driver split will be;

WORKS drivers
Kinghiro (R)     
Evil Clive   
Hristo   
Tim FMG   
Steve Bird       
John Roberts 
Al Heller   
Vosblod   
Jethro   
Sam B   
Bartosz (Pod)   
Baab (R)   
Beefpie (R)   
Rick N (R)   
JHalli (R)   
Fulvio P (R)   
Tommie van O (R)   
EasternSun (R)   
   
   
   

PRIVATEERS drivers
Bernie     
Burtoner   
Mike Turner   
Billy Nobrakes   
Bookie W     
Nigel Smith   
Fabio (Il Lupo)   
Ronnie Peterson       
Paul Badblood   
Martin Maddog (R)   
Ross Gilles27 (R)   
Hannah (R)   
Nicky I (R)   
Happy Al (R)   
  D-Rock (R) 
Toni Niemi (R)   
   
   

EasternSun (R) - sub-division to be decided upon

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Watkins Glen International ("The Glen") is an auto race track located near Watkins Glen, New York, at the southern tip of Seneca Lake. It was long known around the world as the home of the United States Grand Prix, which it hosted for 20 consecutive years (1961–1980). In the early years races passed through the heart of the town with spectators lining the sidewalks, but after a car left the road in a 1952 race, killing one spectator and injuring several others, the race was moved to a new location on a wooded hilltop southwest of town. Later a permanent race course was constructed on 550 acres, overlapping part of the previous course. Despite improvements, the circuit became unable to safely handle the increasingly faster and stiffer ground effect cars of the late 70s and a few horrendous, sometimes fatal accidents and increasingly rowdy segments of the crowd began to tarnish its image. Finally, in May, 1981, several months after Alan Jones had won the 1980 race for Williams, the International Auto Sports Federation removed the race from its schedule because the track had failed to pay its debts to the teams.
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« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2011, 08:42:58 PM +0000 »

45 laps - holy moly. Not sure I can count that high...
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« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2011, 08:52:46 PM +0000 »

True aliens have a distinct advantage.... they do not need to take their socks off to count to 45!!!  shifty
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« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2011, 12:31:09 AM +0000 »


I never get to beat those pesky Ailiens, and rarely even grab a tow, unless generously offered one, which then quickly disappears.  They've plenty to spare, you know - there's no need of a reminder . . .  grumble!
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« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2011, 12:44:31 AM +0000 »

Towing behind those UFO's - its the spin that's the problem Cheesy
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« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2011, 11:17:56 AM +0000 »

aliens have toes ?  Shocked

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« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2011, 12:16:03 PM +0000 »

Not as such, they have feet and hands which can be compared to the feet of a frog or duck Grin .

I hope I can finally get a good result at this track. Looking forward to getting this oen out of the way as I really despise of this track 2guns .

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« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2011, 12:55:58 PM +0000 »

Watkins Glen is not one of my favourites either, I don't know why, but I usually struggle around here in the Waza with my rear tyres on fire after 5 laps, so there should be a good smokescreen behind me if i last 45 laps!!   Grin
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« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2011, 01:42:32 PM +0000 »

Tom should stay behind you then - he won't have to see the track!
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« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2011, 06:15:20 PM +0000 »

Time to blow to cobwebs and resume battle this season. It'll be my birthday on the 9th so you all must allow me to win  Cheesy. I've always liked the Glen, and drove the race of my life here back in S18. I'll just hope not to crash at The Loop on lap 1  Roll Eyes.
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« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2011, 10:14:53 AM +0000 »

If you do then I'll probably join you again  Grin
Can't decide what to drive as I normally have terrible luck at Watkins. I either manage the podium or crash and burn  Roll Eyes
So thinking I may even step back into a waza for old times sake/s**ts and giggles  Grin
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« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2011, 12:05:36 PM +0000 »

Time to blow to cobwebs and resume battle this season. It'll be my birthday on the 9th so you all must allow me to win  Cheesy. I've always liked the Glen, and drove the race of my life here back in S18. I'll just hope not to crash at The Loop on lap 1  Roll Eyes.

It's my birthday then too Sam so perhaps the privateers will let me take top spot Smiley
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« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2011, 01:06:09 PM +0000 »

No idea if I'll be able to make this. No landline internet so 3G only. Last race I did that it wasn't too bad, but still...
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« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2011, 09:36:19 PM +0000 »

Turned out to be too much of a liability on this one. Internet lag on 3G/HSDPA is a lot worse than I anticipated, and the Honda was a wild beast that I couldn't tame.

Probably out for Brno too as have done no practice at the place and don't know the track.
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« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2011, 09:47:51 PM +0000 »

really looked forward to this race and did some practice. pleased with my 105.17. qual.took a defensive line into the bend l2. the gap to the car behind was big enough and I brake a bit early and soft. smashed out.I was in a 50 50 desicion to just stick to left and let myself be outbraked.Just a tad closer and I would done that. too dangerous to defend there the hole race but I would see if I could shake him off first.If I braked on the ideal line he would very likely be in my blindspot when it was time to turn in. I wanted him in my mirrors. that was my desicion this time anyway.ofc that brings in the danger of getting smashed ,but I thought the gap was big enough.maybe next lap if the situation was the same I would have gone wide. I was "supposed " to go faster than him should do low 6 s in the early laps. anyway if not, I would have let him pass a lap or two later if he kept getting attackpositions(learned something from my very defensive driving early at zeltweg amateurs some months ago Wink ).will my dnf s never stop? 8 in a row if I count in the race I finished with bent wheel for 10 laps. Used some hours to modify my gearstick too and it doesn t slip out of third anymore. Didn t help much tonight, but in the long run It s good to have one less thing to worry about.
oh yes...the start was fun. my teammate bart had a real nice 5.12 q and we went out side by side.I took a wideline that made me loose so much speed that tom passed me.exciting yet  clean start.Smiley .

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