iRacing Season 5 Endurance - Daytona Road - Jan 30

[Adam Parle]

It's just one of those things I think.  Different cars, different lines, different turn in points. Sometime accidents happen.

Ultimately making a safe pass is the responsibility of the passing driver, but the driver being passed has to cooperate or it's going to end in tears.  We're not telepathic, we have to interpret what we see, and take a best guess on what the drivers around us will do.  It's a best guess at the end of the day, a lot of the time things will pan out as we expect and everything is great - but unfortunately sometimes the best guess isn't the right one.

[purdie]

Yeah what Adam said - basically cutting & pasting from my last thread on the iR forum... this is an issue in every type of circuit racing I've been involved with.

I understand what everyone is saying about the multi-class. This is the main attraction for me in endurance racing and the winning/losing positions as you negotiate the slower/faster car.

I have a fair bit of experience in real-world 24hr races, usually in the faster class, and I have to say the driving standards usually scare me more sometimes!! But as said already in this thread, the slower car should always stick to the racing line 95% of the time. It is the job of the faster car to get round the slower car. Without predictability on both sides, confusion normally ensures!!! This doesn't rule out common sense, like the Stang going wider and leaving the apex to the Vette(s) on particular occasions / corners.

And if anyone wants a good example of all this... don't watch me in the replay of the race!  

[Burtoner]

An incident at time xxxx in the server replay has been reported.

Ignoring blue flag

The incident involved the following drivers:

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    * Robert Burton (Burtoner)


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There is no blue flag in iracing??

[Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer]

There is no blue flag in iracing??

There is (actually blue with a diagonal yellow line) - but it's advisory.

Our rules say:

• A driver who is about to be passed by a car not on the same lap shall not unreasonably hold up the faster competitor.
  This covers both being lapped, and being 'unlapped', that is, passed by a faster car that is one or more laps behind.

In any case, as it's been submitted as an incident this specific case will be dealt with by a moderator and shouldn't be posted here...

[ginsters sponsored]

Is there a replay of this race available? Ta.

[Reign Man]

I saved a reply of the race....are they easy to share on Iracing?

[Adam Parle]

No - your best bet is one of the large-file sharing sites.

[Reign Man]

Thats a no go for me then.. it took me 20 mins to upload a 900k file to TP yesterday.  My net connection is no better now

[Ste Jones]

Here's a copy of the replay for anyone that wants it: http://www.filefront.com/17896595/i5e_R4_Daytona.rar (379mb)

And here's what I had to say afterwards:
The results may not reflect it but I had to work harder for that win than the previous two. I've always struggled a bit for consistency at Daytona, a bit like what Mike described, but I think doing the 2.4 helped as I found a few different things with lines, etc., which seemed to crossover to the Vette. I got a new PB in qualy and decided to sit on it but Darren managed to pip me soon afterwards, just being near the front is the important thing in a two-hour race though.

I'm not sure what happened at the start, either I was a bit too brave into T1 or Darren was a bit too cautious. Whatever, I was slightly surprised to exit in the lead. So surprised, in fact, that I nearly binned it into the first hairpin and promptly let Darren back past! We then had a great scrap for about seven or eight laps. Eventually, he ran a bit wide onto the banking and he very gentlemanly left me room to nip up his inside when he could easily have cut me off. As we braked into the bus stop I had a big twitch on the kerb, which I saved through luck more than judgement, then I saw Darren spinning off in my mirror. I don't think I contributed to it, I'm sorry if I did, but it was a shame as it spoilt what I'm sure would have been a good race.

The rest of the first stint I then spent trying to keep Paul at bay. The gap fluctuated quite wildly depending which one of us would lose time in traffic, sometimes between one or five seconds per lap. I managed to eke it out to about 10 seconds before my first stop and then I started to lose him off F3. In my second stint I got well into the zone and was pumping in quick laps quite comfortably which really extended the gap, I think exacerbated by Paul having some issues too. By the third stint I was able to drop slightly into cruise mode, especially as my left leg was really starting to ache from two nights of hammering the brake pedal! Overall, I'm pleased with three-in-a-row, although I'm not counting my chickens yet as it could just as easily go wrong at the next race. Especially at Road Atlanta, I hate the place! Congrats to Paul and Adam for the other podium spots and to Samu, Jasper and Jonathan in the 'stangs.

Finally, just to add my take on the Mustang debate, (I haven't seen any of the incidents in question, by the way) but my philosophy is as the faster car, the onus is on the Vette drivers to find a safe way through. Some drivers are more predictable than others but you just exercise more caution around the ones that aren't. It's a split-second judgement call sometimes but if I don't think I can be completely alongside a Mustang at the turn-in point, then I back out of it. Or I'll position my car on the inside so if the Mustang wants to leave me room then I can go, but if he does turn-in then I'm far enough back so we don't both crash out. After driving the Mustang in the 2.4, nothing annoyed me more than turning into a corner only to see a DP flying up the inside of me, basically leaving me the choice of whether we have an accident or not. In a 90 minute or 2 hour race there's just no need for it. Sure, you may lose a second or two stuck behind a Mustang for a corner but it's swings and roundabouts and you'll get it back somewhere else. After three races so far, I don't think I've done any dangerous moves on a Mustang yet...I'm sure someone will tell me if I have!

[Darren Seal]

I'm not sure what happened at the start, either I was a bit too brave into T1 or Darren was a bit too cautious. Whatever, I was slightly surprised to exit in the lead. So surprised, in fact, that I nearly binned it into the first hairpin and promptly let Darren back past!

It was a combination of me initially getting bogged down in 2nd gear (just shows you have many poles I get) and then with you on my outside heading into T1, it was me being too cautious on cold tyres.  

We then had a great scrap for about seven or eight laps. Eventually, he ran a bit wide onto the banking and he very gentlemanly left me room to nip up his inside when he could easily have cut me off.

Initially I didn't think there was enough room for you on the inside, but when my spotter told me you were to my left I thought it best to give you some more room. Looking at the replay, it looks like my spotter jumped the gun and me moving over gave you the space to get through. He's sacked!!

As we braked into the bus stop I had a big twitch on the kerb, which I saved through luck more than judgement, then I saw Darren spinning off in my mirror. I don't think I contributed to it, I'm sorry if I did, but it was a shame as it spoilt what I'm sure would have been a good race.

Ah, that explains it... I conceded the position and slowed down to tuck in behind you. But when I went to turn in you was still there.   To avoid contact I hit the brakes which made my back end step out; sending me straight into the wall...

Not to worry, these things happen.. After the disappointing end to my Rolex 2.4 race I wasn't going to race this. I had done ZERO practise and had no setup prior to joining the server. Perhaps if I had put in more laps in the Vette I might have been able to save the half spin...

Anyway, our race was good while it lasted, so thanks for that Steve.

[DarioF]

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I don't really care that much but, after your essay about how bad Mustang drivers were, would you mind to apologize for ending my race? kthx

[James Yates]

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I don't really care that much but, after your essay about how bad Mustang drivers were, would you mind to apologize for ending my race? kthx

Got any proof of this apparent fact?

Edit:

Just watched the replay, drove between two Mustangs which did a great job of holding their line, was going much slower than usual into a corner and you stayed out wide then cut back across after I had turned into the corner. I had to completely lock the car up to avoid the crash but still tapped the back of your car. All that did is turned you around very gently whereupon someone else crashed into you. There was a reset available too, next time use it rather than ragequitting.

[DarioF]

That's the normal line through that turn. Better learn to drive in multiclass racing maybe?

"All that did is turned you around very gently whereupon someone else crashed into you."

That's as dumb as saying "Oh yeah i touched you but the wall caused you terminal damage." LOLWUT?

I was racing Samu, after resetting i was out of the contention so i quit. Simple as that.

[Darren Seal]

There was a reset available too, next time use it rather than ragequitting.

Yes there is a reset available, but that doesn't mean you have to use it.  Resets are a personal choice and no one should be pressured into using them if they don't want to.

I personally don't use them because they don't exist in real life.  Chances are if you take the reset, you'll spend the rest of the race 1 lap down; hotlapping by yourself.  Also if my race is effectively over, I don't want to risk ruining another driver's race by accidentally getting in the way of their on track battles.

[Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer]

Guys, please abide by our rules about incident discussion. This thread is already degenerating into a finger pointing exercise and I will not allow that.

Incidents During An Event

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