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January 23, 2011, 09:52:16 PM +0000 - Kyalami (1961-67) - UKGPL Season 20 (2010-2011) Graduates Cup (67) Works
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Hristo Itchov
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 1 1:19.236
115.611mph
1 49:35.766
113.901mph
37 1:19.730
114.895mph
Firestone  
FullMetalGasket
 Black Night Racing
Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 4 +0.610
114.728mph
2 +20.981
113.103mph
37 1:19.718
114.912mph
Firestone  
kinghiro
 Clark-Hill Racing
Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 6 +1.162
113.940mph
3 +39.031
112.426mph
37 1:20.545
113.732mph
Firestone  
Al Heller
 Clark-Hill Racing
Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 5 +0.780
114.484mph
4 +44.201
112.234mph
37 1:20.535
113.747mph
Firestone  
Tom van Ostade
 
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 2 +0.120
115.437mph
5 +46.696
112.141mph
37 1:20.273
114.118mph
Firestone  
jhalli
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 9 +1.657
113.243mph
6 +56.942
111.762mph
37 1:20.277
114.112mph
Goodyear  
john roberts
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 11 +1.829
113.003mph
7 +1:00.847
111.618mph
37 1:20.735
113.465mph
Goodyear  
Podkrecony_Ziutek
 Clark-Hill Racing
Eagle T1G (Weslake 1967) F1 1967 7 +1.402
113.601mph
8 +1:12.056
111.208mph
37 1:21.219
112.789mph
Goodyear  
fpolicardi
 Team7
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 10 +1.811
113.028mph
9 +1:14.700
111.111mph
37 1:20.634
113.607mph
Firestone  
b_1_rd
 Clark-Hill Racing
BRM P115 F1 1967 17 +4.937
108.830mph
10 +2L
105.369mph
35 1:23.232
110.061mph
Goodyear  
Baab
 
Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 3 +0.518
114.860mph
11 +16L
112.827mph
21 1:19.923
114.618mph
Disco
Firestone  
Pelle_B
 TEAM-GTLDK
Honda RA300 F1 1967 12 +1.909
112.892mph
12 +19L
110.496mph
18 1:21.437
112.487mph
Disco
Firestone  
Turkey Machine
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 8 +1.566
113.371mph
13 +22L
110.108mph
15 1:21.567
112.307mph
Disco
Firestone  
EvilClive
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 13 +1.959
112.822mph
14 +27L
108.466mph
10 1:21.744
112.064mph
Disco
Firestone  
Samb
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 16 +4.618
109.244mph
15 +34L
104.072mph
3 1:23.416
109.818mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Rick Nauman
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 15 +2.332
112.306mph
16 +37L
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Disco
Goodyear  
vosblod
 Clark-Hill Racing
Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 14 +2.253
112.415mph
17 DNS ---
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Firestone  
5 UKGPL.67
 
Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 18 18 ---
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Firestone  

Moderator's Report

Only one reported incident involving yours truly (see below)


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Vos gets a slow start and Sam (legitimately) goes to the left to pass him. Vos tries to go a fraction right to allow room and ends up losing control and spinning right into Rick so ending his race.
Normally this could be considered pure driver error and a racing incident BUT, aside from a bad start, Vos made a conscious error in trying to move over. He should have just kept straight and left it to the overtaking driver to make a clean pass.
Under the circumstances a Warning to make a clean start and avoid any sudden moves is appropriate.

  • vosblod (Vlad Vosblod)warning — Don't make sudden moves that may cause a loss of control at the start

January 24, 2011, 01:11:14 PM +0000 - Kyalami (1961-67) - UKGPL Season 20 (2010-2011) Graduates Cup (67) Privateers
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
maddog
 Antipasti Racing
Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 2 +0.641
111.648mph
1 51:33.106
109.551mph
37 1:21.915
111.801mph
Firestone  
bernie
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 4 +0.915
111.277mph
2 +27.570
108.583mph
37 1:22.132
111.506mph
Goodyear  
Michael Turner
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 5 +1.259
110.813mph
3 +45.982
107.946mph
37 1:22.942
110.417mph
Goodyear  
il_lupo_mannaro
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 3 +0.898
111.300mph
4 +51.248
107.765mph
37 1:22.640
110.820mph
Goodyear  
Billy Nobrakes
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 6 +1.502
110.489mph
5 +52.989
107.706mph
37 1:23.161
110.126mph
Goodyear  
Nigel Smith
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 10 6 +2L
100.784mph
35 1:25.616
106.968mph
Firestone  
hannah
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 7 +5.189
105.783mph
7 +4L
95.053mph
33 1:26.882
105.409mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Ronniepeterson
 
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 1 1:21.386
112.528mph
8 +15L
107.382mph
22 1:22.090
111.563mph
Disco
Firestone  
BadBlood
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 8 +9.346
100.937mph
9 +36L
88.598mph
1 1:40.221
91.380mph
accident
Firestone  
2 UKGPL_T7
 
Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 9 10 DNS ---
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Firestone  

Moderator's Report

Nice and simple as no reported incidents in this one.

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« Reply #45 on: January 24, 2011, 04:43:57 PM +0000 »

So before considering moving down or changing rules, ask yourself if you're really doing your best to prepare for races.
To be honest I'm not - real life keeps getting in the way.
Anyway your suggestions are definately something to go into the melting pot when we come to look at the structure for season 21.
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« Reply #46 on: January 24, 2011, 05:50:55 PM +0000 »

Massive congratulations to my practice sparring partner Martin on a fine win and well done to the other podium boys Bernie and Michael. Bernie, when you caught sight of me I was not exiting the pits. That was me taking a shift-r after my final fatal third encounter with the Hurricane. Check out the view from Martins car its awesome. Any chance of salvaging some points disappeared due to that reinstated pit wall which caught me out when I attempted to make my stop and go next lap (easily done Paul).

My biggest thank you is to Nigel who showed exactly how to behave when being lapped and an example I will follow whenever I am in the same situation. It was a shame for my championship challenge that this attitude was not adopted by everyone. But thats racing and unlike my Ronnie Peterson I woke up the following morning ready to race again.

Last bit, I' happy to drive with anyone of any ability if they are happy with me so I look forward to any old and new faces on the Privateers grid for the remaining races.

Well done again Martin.
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« Reply #47 on: January 24, 2011, 05:53:43 PM +0000 »

P.S. And just to add something to the above discussion of driver divisions. It is definitely much tougher these days than in the past, because there are clusters of drivers of very close ability. This requires a lot more practice and preparation, and conscious effort to improve race by race. Otherwise you fall behind. Even I, who would normally not practice in the past few seasons, am forced to put in a couple of hours for each race. For example, had I not done that for this race, I would've probably finished 4th or 5th. So before considering moving down or changing rules, ask yourself if you're really doing your best to prepare for races. You can't expect to keep up with someone who practices more than you (in both divisions) and is simply better prepared.

Absolutely agree, more practise is required to get better and be more prepared, and no I'm not doing enough.  Sadly I haven't got much more time.  I did do some practise, it wasn't enough by far and simply wasn't quick enough, although I did take my BRM PB down by over 2 seconds.

I was hoping to keep the race 07 stuff going on a Wednesday, but have run out of time for put in practise for that too, I have done none for the upcoming race this week; so I'm gonna have to make a choice and I will concentrate more in GPL than race as I don't want to waste what I have learned already, including the great information from many guys on here, not least JR and the other Team mates who has helped me a great deal to get me this far.  As a few of you have already said, I'm probably diluting what little talent I have across too many styles of racing.

As Tim has suggested (in PM), and what I effectively alluded to earlier, I will keep going in Works for this season and re-assess how I get on.  Perhaps this 'lowest ranked car' theory isn't a good plan now, maybe that's something for later on, or even when learning a track or something along those lines.

Not sure how familiar you guys are with the learning process and its 3 stages of confusion, frustration, success! Well I'm the frustration stage, lol.  Anyway, we'll press on for now and just do the best we can.
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« Reply #48 on: January 24, 2011, 06:37:26 PM +0000 »

The issue that has to be addressed may not be a tokens issue. In real life there are several good cars in F1, several mediocre and several poor. The driver is not usually the deciding factor. This is NOT the case in UKGPL because drivers select different chassis for different races. You want the best drivers to come out on top but to keep a carrot for the midfield. The car is usually not ultimately the deciding factor. A fast driver in a slow car will always beat a slow driver in a fast car - teams drive on different bases which introduces an unevenness.

The tokens are meaningless for me because the Honda is cheap - how about introducing points for things like PB's or consistency. If you wanted to make it REALLY interesting you could introduce a rolling start where the first lap is to organise the field back to front? This would allow prizes for the less able drivers and provide extra tests for the aliens.

This is NOT a suggestion for any of the series we currently run but speaking as a confirmed backmarker I can generally count on there being no racing unless somebody makes a bad mistake. Even I want to race! Some creative thinking before S21 may be in order.

BTW I'm in Confusion stage.
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« Reply #49 on: January 24, 2011, 06:49:39 PM +0000 »

                              HELP!  I'm being mobbed!

Must've done something noteworthy, to deserve all this pseudo-attention . . . how do you turn them off?

It was time to bring out the big guns, for the big event at Kyalami.  The Lotus 49 was a revolutionary car, as were its wheels, and anyone who's not seen the film, 'Nine days in Summer', has still some homework to do.  "Get on with it!"  Right, well I arrived with a very promising setup, gave it a tiny tweak mid-practice, gained some time, and gained a second on the grid. Grin 

I was confident of outperforming the Brabham cluster, early in the race, but a well equipped Ronnie posed more of a problem.  So it needed a perfect start, to briefly leave my problem behind me, but his rapid Ferrari was readily able to match my pace, and doggedly started hounding my tail.

It was 7 or 8 laps before I got tired of the view, and decided to throw a rear wheel onto the grass, thereby performing a quick 360, to survey the scene.  This let Red by, and a fast approaching Fabio through into 2nd.  My turn to chase, and Fab soon ran wide, which meant . . . the Hunt was on. Smiley

Second at 20 laps, I'd still not given up on the lead, but I'd struggled with Ronnies pace.  I suspect, he'd even switched to cruise mode along the way, with a comfy cushion.  But all that changed, when he was suddenly in view!  And a half lap later, he was suddenly in view of Tabletop mountain!  I believe I passed somewhere under his car, mid-main straight.  A sad end to a promising career.  And from that point, it was simply a matter of reeling in the laps.

Happy to have a first win, thanks this time, to some luck on my side!  The footage suggests a fun time was had amongst the clustering Brabhams, who were well matched.  And my sympathies to the driver of a very bent Ferrari. Sad Cheesy
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« Reply #50 on: January 24, 2011, 06:58:20 PM +0000 »

Tim seemed to be taking it easy early on and so did I as a result,

LOL - I was going as fast as I dared!  Grin
For a collection of reasons I hadn't done ANY practice before the race and as a result used a recent setup from Rouen and tweeked it in practice...
Far from ideal but as it was at least a recent setup it was sort of tuned to my current style, so I was able to manhandle my way around the rough edges  hammer
I'm quite glad you buggered off into the distance H as a prolonged battle with that setup wouldn't have ended well!

Pity about Bob - He passed me when I span out of T2 then Span himself a lap later at Sunset.
Didn't think his car looked too damaged as I re-passed him but he then quit out, it had been a good battle till then, at a distance but with the two of us fighting to manage the gap between!

I'm still laughing over the start from TvO's viewpoint  Grin


And you are right Giles - there is no such thing as a perfect setup. Just differing shades of OK on the night  Wink
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« Reply #51 on: January 24, 2011, 07:00:25 PM +0000 »

Sorry Martin, I didn't know you took a win, many grats.  Well done.

Paul - I detest reverse grids.  Nice to see some 'out-of-the-box' thinking though.
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« Reply #52 on: January 24, 2011, 07:07:13 PM +0000 »

If you wanted to make it REALLY interesting you could introduce a rolling start where the first lap is to organise the field back to front? This would allow prizes for the less able drivers and provide extra tests for the aliens.

That's unnessicary Paul - You can edit the starting grib so it's in reverse order quite easily  Smiley
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« Reply #53 on: January 24, 2011, 07:22:07 PM +0000 »

Having looked at some of your BT7 setups H it seems that way for you so what hope for the rest of us? Smiley I guess there is no such thing as perfect setup anyway.

Yeah, I keep finding new things that work better from time to time, so previous setups become obsolete, but I also think it's your driving style that changes as well, so in the end it's a bit of both.
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« Reply #54 on: January 24, 2011, 08:51:44 PM +0000 »

Well, Kyalami has never been one of my favourite tracks... but on qualify I shave my Brabby's PB nearly half a second!

Starting the race from third place on grid (and in front of Bernie) wasn't so bad but, after few kms, I immediately realised it would have been an easy race...

Ronnie and Martin were flying away while I had to fight for the whole race with a real nervous car: very often it seemed to be skating on ice...
It was quite fun but, unfortunately, I made too many mistakes so I missed my third consecutive podium...

Well done to Martin, Bernie (he never missed a podium when racing: he reminds me of LH on his first champ...) and Michael.

See you all in Edmonton (who already knows such track?!?)

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« Reply #55 on: January 24, 2011, 09:34:13 PM +0000 »

Pity about Bob - He passed me when I span out of T2 then Span himself a lap later at Sunset.
Didn't think his car looked too damaged as I re-passed him but he then quit out, it had been a good battle till then, at a distance but with the two of us fighting to manage the gap between!

yeah, couldn't believe my luck when I saw you spin Tim, but predictably I did the same the next lap, hit the bank engine first and that was that.  Needless to say I was gutted.  My concentration was wavering and I'd also been outbraking myself into T1.  I had no match for H's pace, but was surprised to see I had the FL when I went out, so wasn't doing too bad.  Was pushing it a bit, trying to drive safe but fast, short shifting slightly to protect the engine!!!

Car was a right handful on L1 and I ran wide at T2, which is why you had a gap H.

Grats to all finishers, I'll have to work on that part of the race!

Bob.
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« Reply #56 on: January 24, 2011, 09:35:48 PM +0000 »

not too good at the quotes thing!!   blink
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« Reply #57 on: January 24, 2011, 09:40:34 PM +0000 »

Paul - I detest reverse grids

So do I - but there are advantages Cheesy

That's unnessicary Paul - You can edit the starting grib so it's in reverse order quite easily  Smiley

Didn't know that - thanks - first lap is warm up for the rolling start then! Smiley
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« Reply #58 on: January 24, 2011, 10:14:38 PM +0000 »

Happy to have a first win,
Grats Martin  clap
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« Reply #59 on: January 25, 2011, 10:01:55 AM +0000 »

Sry if I've missed some post.
Pelle (that's some GPLrank you have there btw Shocked)
Thx, but it has been tough. From the day I started really active in GPL (2001) it took me 3 weeks to go in negative. The first year I only went in Lotus, later changed to Eagle. All the other cars I only run to get my Monster Rank...it took me 5 years  Smiley I was Danish Champ in 2002.

This must be a nightmare.."PELLE", "VOLVO"?another Swede???
awwww Danish I just saw..the people who adore Norwegian soccer and lost us to sweden after the napoleon war.Welcome to UKGPL m8 Smiley
Yes, a little confusing...so much Swedish, but I'm Danish  Grin
I have had much contact with Norway in GPL 'NGPLS', do you know??? Unfortunately, the Forum was on the old RSC & I don't know if the club is still alive.
Runar was the man behind, who was also behind: 1967 40th Anniversary World Championship...is it really only Hristo & I who were in it from UKGPL Cheesy
http://1967legends.rscsites.org/standings.php
Maybe you want to see this video: Denmark vs Norway - a race I got set up in collaboration with Runar.
http://www.gt-legends.dk/GTLDK/showthread.php?210-GP-Legends

After I saw the replay from Kyalami, damn how I speed switching, a habit I need to drop after several years in GTL. For the next race I'm thinking of upgrading to a Ferrari  laugh




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