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« Reply #45 on: May 02, 2011, 10:17:02 PM +0100 »

surely if they use it in the real GT races, its for the very reason i listed? ie keep the racing close.  Crumbs the grids are empty enough as it is, dont you like having other cars around you to battle/chase?

As always, just a suggestion to improve the show, you dont need to get all defensive and paranoid.
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« Reply #46 on: May 02, 2011, 11:11:34 PM +0100 »

Depends on how long people take to do their pit stops Wink angel
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« Reply #47 on: May 02, 2011, 11:12:50 PM +0100 »

This would keep the action closer throughout the race rather than such varying strategies that the racing gets disjointed on track.
I know what you want to achieve & think the aim is good, but you yourself are a prime candidate of someone that pits at a different time to "everyone else" at most events. 9 races out of 10, you'll pit 2/3's or 3/4's into the race, when 90% of the field pits at about 50% distance. What this means is, you get to lead/run in 2nd for a few laps, then when you come out the pits wondering why you've lost 6 positions & are 50 secs behind the bloke you were right next to a second ago. That leads you to feel that you've lost position on track, but actually, you were probably in about 6th before anybody started pitting, lending you their place temporarily. Again, this increases the feeling of a disjointed race for you.

As I said, I reckon (without researching) 90% of us pit within the 47% - 54% distance window, no need for a rule, no big objection to one either, because I feel it will have little impact.
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« Reply #48 on: May 03, 2011, 09:09:25 AM +0100 »

As always, just a suggestion to improve the show, you dont need to get all defensive and paranoid.

As you say, there is no need. I simply stated my view  Roll Eyes

I'm sure there are many examples in RL racing where there are less restrictive practices than the one you propose there, so I must be right too  Tongue
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« Reply #49 on: May 03, 2011, 06:43:03 PM +0100 »

no, the only reason i pitted later than most is because i wasnt aware that you were all filling the tank at race start and then just topping up! I was putting 45-50mins of fuel in, then making my stop when it got low to put the remaining 15-20mins worth of fuel in. My innocent brain hadnt thought of the gamey tactic that no real world teams would use  Wink Pity the fool me!  Tongue

A pit window is generally about 5-10mins long i think so guess that forces the grid to pit within 5laps tops of each other?  Undecided
But if everyone stops as close as you estimate then it doesnt matter. It just seemed to work well in the RD events and didnt break up the 'on track' action as much.

and my 'defensive' comment was aimed at the ever cheerful Spanner, not you Pete  Kiss
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« Reply #50 on: May 03, 2011, 07:01:57 PM +0100 »

Love you too MJ Tongue

Nice to know its not just me though
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« Reply #51 on: May 03, 2011, 08:00:57 PM +0100 »

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Huh
Are you telling me that every single professional racing team, goes to each event thinking: "Right boys, let's not use the fuel strategy that gives us the best chance of winning"?

Rubbish. The slower the fuelling device, the more likely you are to carry extra fuel from the start.

I have actually told you numerous times on TS to start with full fuel. I've also tried to help you improve your pitting 'technique' a couple of times. My cloak & dagger tactical days ended about 2 years back shifty laugh
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« Reply #52 on: May 03, 2011, 09:19:17 PM +0100 »

Could we have races with no pitstops please? I'm a simple man and want to race flat out and get beaten by someone faster. Simples. I care naught for strategy and practicing pitstops. More BTCC than F1 you say Smiley

Would be up for some Evo but the way, if the timing is right.
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« Reply #53 on: May 03, 2011, 09:30:52 PM +0100 »

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Are you telling me that every single professional racing team, goes to each event thinking: "Right boys, let's not use the fuel strategy that gives us the best chance of winning"?
Rubbish. The slower the duelling device, the more likely you are to carry extra fuel from the start.

in sprint (upto 1hr) events i doubt many teams run the cars with full fuel from the start as it means the tyres degrade too quick and they would get swamped by the rest of the field and then stuck behind slower cars.
Not sure about all sprint-type events but the International GT Open used some pre-sized fuel canister that dumped a set fuel load in at the driver change pitstop about halfway in the race.
Anyway your still a gamey bar-steward  Grin

I like a pitstop in races even if it often ruins my race  Tongue but thats  mainly down to my own poor prep  Embarrassed
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« Reply #54 on: May 03, 2011, 09:31:46 PM +0100 »

Could we have races with no pitstops please?
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I like both formats. Always enjoyed the days you werre running GTL when we did 1 enduro to 2 Sprint weeks. Cool
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« Reply #55 on: May 03, 2011, 09:53:28 PM +0100 »

Could we have races with no pitstops please?
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I like both formats. Always enjoyed the days you werre running GTL when we did 1 enduro to 2 Sprint weeks. Cool
Halcyon days  :'(
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« Reply #56 on: May 03, 2011, 10:14:19 PM +0100 »

Could we have races with no pitstops please?
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I like both formats. Always enjoyed the days you werre running GTL when we did 1 enduro to 2 Sprint weeks. Cool
Halcyon days  :'(
Lovin UKGTL at the moment too Tony, just wish there was more events Wink & that my works rota was not pitting itself against GTL's weeks  :'(
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« Reply #57 on: May 03, 2011, 10:44:02 PM +0100 »

Could we have races with no pitstops please?
lol.
I like both formats. Always enjoyed the days you werre running GTL when we did 1 enduro to 2 Sprint weeks. Cool
Halcyon days  :'(
Lovin UKGTL at the moment too Tony, just wish there was more events Wink & that my works rota was not pitting itself against GTL's weeks  :'(
Yeah, you'll just have to get another job  Kiss
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« Reply #58 on: May 03, 2011, 11:26:46 PM +0100 »

Could we have races with no pitstops please? I'm a simple man and want to race flat out and get beaten by someone faster. Simples. I care naught for strategy and practicing pitstops. More BTCC than F1 you say Smiley

Would be up for some Evo but the way, if the timing is right.

Point is, sbg, tryes degrade in Race much more quickly than in GTR2 and allow 20, maybe 30 minutes. Then you just need to change tyres or fight with the car. Now that is the prospect I will not participate in. I'm for "tyre wear off" Sprints. Wink
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« Reply #59 on: May 04, 2011, 07:49:56 AM +0100 »

Point is, sbg, tryes degrade in Race much more quickly than in GTR2 and allow 20, maybe 30 minutes. Then you just need to change tyres or fight with the car. Now that is the prospect I will not participate in. I'm for "tyre wear off" Sprints. Wink

TT, you keep mentioning this tyre wear but ive just completed a season of 60minute races at RD using GT Pro and tyres were absolutely fine. They wore just like i'd expect them to wear over a race distance. So not sure what your doing wrong  Huh  Watch any GT racing and the tyres start to go off around 30mins, hence why they make so many stops!
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