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  • S20N Anderstorp: February 08, 2011
February 08, 2011, 09:43:48 PM +0000 - Anderstorp (GP) - UKGPL Season 20 (2010-2011) Novices Trophy (65)
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Artiglietti
 
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 1 1:39.883
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1 40:52.307
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24 1:41.058
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Dunlop  
Ronniepeterson
 
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 2 +1.182
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2 +16.147
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24 1:41.236
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Dunlop  
Ross Neilson
 Clark-Hill Racing
Brabham BT7 (Climax) F1 1965 4 +1.623
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3 +23.958
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24 1:41.790
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Dunlop  
NHance
 Mountside Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 3 +1.370
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4 +29.521
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24 1:41.594
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Goodyear  
Billy Nobrakes
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 7 +2.719
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5 +1:16.904
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24 1:43.205
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Goodyear  
maddog
 Antipasti Racing
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 6 +2.459
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6 +1:50.894
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24 1:43.127
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Dunlop  
Nigel Smith
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA272 F1 1965 11 +3.661
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7 +1:27.873
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24 1:42.906
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Goodyear  
karlisss
 
Honda RA272 F1 1965 10 +3.082
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8 (+8) +1:59.244
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24 1:43.357
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Goodyear  
il_lupo_mannaro
 
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 12 +4.901
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9 (+2) +1:33.426
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24 1:42.623
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Dunlop  
norbert
 Antipasti Racing
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 8 +2.813
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10 +1:42.304
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24 1:43.748
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Dunlop  
miner2049er
 Clark-Hill Racing
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 9 +2.864
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11 +1L
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23 1:42.994
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Dunlop  
roguk
 Clark-Hill Racing
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 13 +5.666
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12 +2L
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22 1:43.222
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Dunlop  
blito
 Nessuna Speranza
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 5 +2.329
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13 (+2) +9L
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15 1:42.976
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Dunlop  
5 UKGPL.65
 
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 14 DNS ---
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Dunlop  

Moderator's Report

This is a very tricky circuit with bumps that take you off the racing line, and unusual cambers making the racing line unusual in places.

Nobody seemed to struggle with the unusual pit location and we are back to normality next time out with a start-finish pit lane, but we stick with the airfield theme at the small French F2 circuit at Albi.


Server replay time: 0h01m00s

Blito starts to spin exiting T1 but catches it.
Just as he does so Karliss hits him and spins him around
Despite being warned about taking care at T1 in Kyalami, Karliss takes risks off the line again and drives straight to the middle of the track.
Even when Blito's skid starts to develop in front of him karliss is still accelerating and does not leave himself enough space to react.

Karliss took a SHIFTR but did not take a Sng

  • karlisss (Karlisss-65)penalty — SHIFT R with no Stop n Go — 30.000 seconds added — also, 2 places lost for penalty points
  • karlisss (Karlisss-65)penalty — Simple Rear End Shunt — 1 place lost (plus 2 for penalty points)
  • karlisss (Karlisss-65)penalty — Lap 1 Incident — 1 place lost (plus 2 for penalty points)


Server replay time: 0h02m20s

Blito passes Nigel on the run to Norra but begins to move left before he is clear of Nigel.
The two touch and Blito spins.
If you can not see a car in your mirrors then you have not cleared it and can not assume it is not there.


Server replay time: 0h03m15s

Fabio passes Norbert into Hansen and Norbert spins off.
Fabio signals his move early but has no overlap at turn in.
Norbert should know he is there and seems to try to leave room but does not leave enough.
Norbert suffers warp and is thrown from the track.
I think had warp not been involved they would both have made it through the corner.
Warp Incident

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h08m15s

Ross spins exiting Hansen and Ronnie lifts but cannot avoid him.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h13m30s

Fabio is following Billy closely through Opel and hits him, spinning him off.

The server shows contact between the cars but Fabio's replay suggests there is warp involved.
Warp can be "invited" by following a car closely for too long but this was not the case here and Fabio closed up in the corner, perhaps misjudging braking distances or tow.

Though it is possible that warp is involved, it is not possible to say that it was the cause of Billy's spin, or if the cars would not have touched had warp not occurred.

Because of that I have not called it a warp incident but a Marginal Rear End Shunt which carries a warning to be careful when following other cars closely.


Server replay time: 0h14m40s

Blito passes RogUK on the straight but RogUK rear ends him into Norra.
Blito had partially lost control and was slower than normal through Norra.


Server replay time: 0h42m30s

Martin runs out of fuel and resets.
He is unable to pit before the end of the race.

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« Reply #60 on: February 22, 2011, 09:23:44 AM +0000 »

Karliss,

If you do not agree with a Mods ruling then you can appeal it however incidents on Lap 1 are dealt with more harshly than other incidents since they are potentially calamitous for so many. The main point is that Warp is almost always a factor at the start since so many cars are close together so you HAVE to be cautious. Unlike real racing a gap opening up at the start isn't necessarily usable.

The major reason you got penalised was that you did not lift - you can't worry about being rear ended and drive through the man in front - the driver behind you has to be able to avoid you if you lift so don't worry about that.

I know that the penalties can feel harsh - I am still smarting from my second one at Mosport and I STILL don't agree with it but I have accepted it and modified my driving because of it. I believe that is the main reason for the penalties - to encourage more cautious driver behaviour.

As far as it goes I think Mike does an excellent job for us (it is a LOT of work) and I am certain that he is both fair and impartial.

Chin up and let's enjoy the next one!
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« Reply #61 on: February 22, 2011, 09:42:05 AM +0000 »

Ok Karlis, heres another point of view ---
i`d qualified well and was looking forward to the race but at T1 i got a little too sideways and was slooooow out of the corner but I held it together just long enough to get a punt from behind, spinning me out of contention.
Obviously i was a bit pissed off about that!
So i set off in a red mist chasing down Nigel, i made a stunning move on him but we touched (probably lag as the mod says i moved left but my replay shows nige moving right {btw, i`m not apealling as i was dead last anyway..} ). Having recovered from that i set off in an even greater red mist and basically barged my way past rog and out-braked myself causing shunt no3.

So basically, Karlis, you not lifting at T1 like you should have screwed my state of mind to the point where, myself  nigel and rog all had our races spoiled, as well as you receiving the penalty. Perhaps, in retrospect, you might like to reflect on how better your race would have been if you had lifted!
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« Reply #62 on: February 22, 2011, 09:57:09 AM +0000 »

Blito, you can't blame Karlisss'es mistake for how you drive afterwards, lol... it's totally your responsibility to deal with your emotions, whatever the case.
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« Reply #63 on: February 22, 2011, 11:47:11 AM +0000 »

Sorry, Mike, of course it's not Tim, my mistake.

No problem, Tim does most things around here Wink
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« Reply #64 on: February 22, 2011, 12:38:24 PM +0000 »

Blito, you can't blame Karlisss'es mistake for how you drive afterwards, lol... it's totally your responsibility to deal with your emotions, whatever the case.

can do so, did do so, will continue to do so
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I understand what your saying there H,(and incidentally, quite agree with you)  but the point is that once something happens to destroy your composure, no matter who is to blame, then its more-or-less game over which is clearly what happened to me in this instance.
Now, when it comes to this kind of incident we can either get all psychoanalytical or we can just point and blame. We tend to choose the latter because its easier, but if you really want me to start to analyse peoples on track behaviour and its consequences then i have plenty of materiel kept in reserve, although i think for the interests of the community it is probably best kept there!

As for the point in hand here, sometimes its right to just admit our own failures when the moderators point them out to us, after all I have been far from blameless in this season and have not once had reason to complain about either competitor or moderator in any judgement.
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