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February 20, 2011, 10:47:08 PM +0000 - Jarama - UKGPL Season 20 (2010-2011) Graduates Cup (67) Works
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Hristo Itchov
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 1 1:26.502
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1 48:23.551
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33 1:26.728
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Firestone  
Tom van Ostade
 
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 4 +1.795
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2 +54.422
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33 1:28.104
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Firestone  
Pelle_B
 TEAM-GTLDK
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 2 +0.522
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3 +54.619
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33 1:27.292
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Firestone  
Baab
 
Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 3 +1.550
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4 +58.531
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33 1:28.182
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Firestone  
FullMetalGasket
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 6 +2.798
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5 +1:21.583
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33 1:28.809
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Goodyear  
kinghiro
 Clark-Hill Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 7 +2.838
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6 +1L
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32 1:30.207
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Goodyear  
EvilClive
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 8 +3.217
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7 +19.896
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32 1:29.903
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Firestone  
Al Heller
 Clark-Hill Racing
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 9 +4.433
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8 +41.343
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32 1:30.756
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Firestone  
Samb
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 5 +2.578
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9 +2L
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31 1:29.743
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Goodyear  
john roberts
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 11 +4.820
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10 +2.359
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31 1:30.742
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Goodyear  
b_1_rd
 Clark-Hill Racing
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 12 +6.769
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11 +19L
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14 1:33.077
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Firestone  
Turkey Machine
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 10 +4.704
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12 +28L
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5 1:31.740
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Firestone  
Gpg UKGPL
 
BRM P115 F1 1967 13 DNS ---
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Goodyear  

Moderator's Report

A bit of a thriller with Pelle fighting his way from the back to finish second (but see below). It all goes down to the wire in the final race.
One general issue; we had some cases of what could be deemed corner cutting with a possible view to overtaking. There are no specific rules on this at present, although one may be in the pipeline, but corner cutting is not something we encourage. It can give an unfair advantage and can also be dangerous. By corner cutting I don't mean just a couple of wheels astray.


Server replay time: 0h02m56s

Pelle is following John and appears to try and overtake by going off track at the corner. A collision with John then ensues.
This falls under the following;

Very Ambitious Overtake: Penalty 2 Places
The overtaking driver had not achieved any degree of overlap at turn-in. The overtaking driver WOULD have made the corner. Penalty for overtaking driver.

However warp may be a factor in this as the server does not show direct contact, although a collision probably would have happened anyway, and Pelle came out worse by losing places.
Accordingly the penalty will stand but with a Warning only.


Server replay time: 0h02m57s

Please see the notes above regarding corner cutting. We disable checkpoints for online races as GPL can be a little temperamental in applying it. However, under normal circumstances, Pelle would have been black flagged and made to pit. Accordingly, a 20 second time penalty is also being applied in recognition of this.

SimRacing.org.uk Lap Records
Grand Prix Legends
F1 1967
1:26.502
87.934mph
Hristo Itchov
Qualifying
Honda RA300February 20, 2011, 10:47:08 PM +0000
S20GrW
Grand Prix Legends
F1 1967
1:26.728
87.705mph
Hristo Itchov
Race
Honda RA300February 20, 2011, 10:47:08 PM +0000
S20GrW
February 21, 2011, 11:46:37 AM +0000 - Jarama - UKGPL Season 20 (2010-2011) Graduates Cup (67) Privateers
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Ronniepeterson
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 1 1:29.342
85.114mph
1 51:39.282
80.967mph
33 1:31.004
83.559mph
Goodyear  
maddog
 Antipasti Racing
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 4 +3.099
82.260mph
2 +4.895
80.839mph
33 1:31.627
82.991mph
Firestone  
bernie
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 3 +2.773
82.551mph
3 +27.493
80.255mph
33 1:31.558
83.054mph
Goodyear  
il_lupo_mannaro
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 2 +2.725
82.594mph
4 (+1) +1L
78.205mph
32 1:31.590
83.024mph
Goodyear  
Nigel Smith
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 7 +6.415
79.412mph
5 +34.026
77.359mph
32 1:33.320
81.485mph
Firestone  
Michael Turner
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 5 +4.227
81.269mph
6 +54.033
76.870mph
32 1:36.030
79.186mph
Firestone  
Billy Nobrakes
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 6 +4.656
80.898mph
7 +1:22.404
76.187mph
32 1:34.291
80.646mph
Goodyear  
hannah
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 8 +7.501
78.521mph
8 +1:25.684
76.109mph
32 1:35.195
79.880mph
Goodyear  
BadBlood
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 9 +22.000
68.296mph
9 +7L
61.585mph
26 1:43.925
73.170mph
Disco
Firestone  
Nigel Smith
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 10 DNS ---
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Firestone  
Hristo Itchov
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 11 ---
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Firestone  
2 UKGPL_T7
 
BRM P115 F1 1967 10 12 ---
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Goodyear  

Moderator's Report

A win for Ronnie is lining things up for a thrilling season finale. Two reported incidents in this one.


Server replay time: 0h36m48s

Mike is following Hannah but is keeping at a reasonable distance. Hannah loses control going into the armco and off the racing line. Whilst not completely coming to a halt he does immediately carry on straight back onto the line in the corner. Mike has slowed considerably but does carry on.
The only scenario that seems to fit this is a Bad Rejoin. Knowing he had lost control and knowing there was traffic close behind he really should have taken time to check he could safely carry on. Can this be considered to be a 'rejoin' as he didn't actually leave the track as such by virtue of the armco. Well yes in that he was off the main tarmac.
This would appear to be the scenario;

Blatant Bad Rejoin: Penalty 2 Places
The rejoining driver was NOT in full control but nevertheless attempted to drive straight back onto the racing line without any consideration for other drivers and contact was made.

However I do feel there is some mitigation in this case. Firstly perhaps Mike should have been a little more cautious in that Hannah was not completely off track and it could expected, not having come to a complete halt, he would have continued. Also whilst yes it is a bad rejoin it doesn't fit the normal scenario of completely going off and then rejoining. Lastly, it is clear Hannah was not completely in control and had not come to a halt so it could be said he was still trying to correct himself when the collision happened rather then deliberately attempting to get back onto the racing line.

Under these circumstances I am going to call this a racing incident but with advice to Hannah to do everything possible to stay clear if you have lost control and advice to Mike to be extra cautious if someone has lost control into a barrier but not come to a halt, you can't predict what will happen.


Server replay time: 0h44m08s

Following an earlier collision Fabio is left on track facing the wrong way. Hannah has gone off slightly further back, possibly from losing control trying to avoid the incident ahead. Hannah was facing the right way and moved off before Fabio. Fabio could, or should, have seen Hannah move as he was facing towards him. It is irrelevant whether Hannah had already been lapped as he clearly had, for want of a better term, the 'right of way'. Fabio then turned across directly into Hannah causing the incident.

This clearly is a bad rejoin as Fabio had come to a complete halt and was in control of what he was doing. I do not consider it 'appalling' as it cannot be said Fabio was actually trying to rejoin onto the racing line so the rules have this;

Blatant Bad Rejoin: Penalty 2 Places
The rejoining driver drove straight back onto the track, but not the racing line, without checking for other cars and contact was made.

However I am again going to allow some mitigation here. The reason being is that I think we should allow for an element of confusion ie they are both off/out and both naturally want to restart but it happens to be at the same time. However the onus was clearly on Fabio to wait as he was facing completely the wrong way. Accordingly the standard 2 place penalty has been reduced to 1.

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« on: February 14, 2011, 08:20:56 PM +0000 »

And so we move to the penultimate race. In Works Tommie is leading but the crown is not yet guaranteed. The same goes for Bernie over in the Privateers.

We are running two separate grids for Works and Privateers drivers this season. The Works will run on PRO Damage and Privateers will run on Intermediate Damage with the allowance of ONE shift-R reset. No Shift-Rs are allowed in practice unless authorized by the moderator. A Shift-R (fault or not) MUST be followed by a Stop & Go. A Shift-R for tyres/fuel is not allowed. Any driver taking more then ONE Shift-R OR failing to take a Stop & Go will be disqualified from the race result.

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Works = UKGPL_Gpg
IP address = 62.195.32.131
Privateers = UKGPL_T7_2
IP address = 62.149.202.168
Race date = 20-02-2011
Time = 21:00 UK time
Track = Circuito Del Jarama
Variant = 67F1
Damage Model = Works; PRO / Privateers; INT
Qualifying time = 35 minutes. Don't start until 30 mins left on clock to allow everyone to join.
Race length = 50 minutes (laps 33)
Password: see above

Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page
The track can be downloaded from : http://jarama.gaiztor.com/index_en.html
Add-on’s available at : http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=5013

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Reserve drivers should not join the server(s) until there are only 30 minutes of qualifying left. Please restrict chat to pit messages. Moderating will be by reported incidents only, however the moderators reserve the right to review any incident with a particular emphasis on lap one. The aim is to review the race the following weekend so incident reports should be submitted within five days of the race (ie the following Friday). We're hopeful most incidents can be resolved amicably and recommend a days deep breath with a replay review before posting. A sorry in the forum won't be taken as an automatic admission of guilt by the moderators.
The Works will run on PRO Damage and Privateers will run on Intermediate Damage with the allowance of ONE shift-R reset. No Shift-Rs are allowed in practice unless authorized by the moderator. A Shift-R (fault or not) MUST be followed by a Stop & Go. A Shift-R for tyres/fuel is not allowed. Any driver taking more then ONE Shift-R OR failing to take a Stop & Go will be disqualified from the race result.

With the token system chassis strategy will be a factor. A driver must have sufficient tokens for the chassis he drives in the race.  Any driver who does not have sufficient tokens will be disqualified from the result and his tokens will be set to zero.

Chassis costs;
Lotus 20 / Eagle 17 / Ferrari 15 / Brabham 10 / Cooper 5 / Honda 3 / BRM 0

To see your current tokens hover your mouse over your total points on the championship standings page. Ten tokens will be added when you cross the start line.

The Championship is split into two sub-divisions, namely Works and Privateers. The driver split will be;

WORKS drivers
Kinghiro (R)     
Evil Clive   
Hristo   
Tim FMG   
Steve Bird       
John Roberts 
Al Heller   
Vosblod   
Jethro   
Sam B   
Bartosz (Pod)   
Baab (R)   
Beefpie (R)   
Rick N (R)   
JHalli (R)   
Fulvio P (R)   
Tommie van O (R)   
EasternSun (R)   
Pelle_B (R)   
   
   

PRIVATEERS drivers
Bernie     
Burtoner   
Mike Turner   
Billy Nobrakes   
Bookie W     
Nigel Smith   
Fabio (Il Lupo)   
Ronnie Peterson       
Paul Badblood   
Martin Maddog (R)   
Ross Gilles27 (R)   
Hannah (R)   
Nicky I (R)   
Happy Al (R)   
  D-Rock (R) 
Toni Niemi (R)   
   
   

EasternSun (R) - sub-division to be decided upon

67 Patch: The 1.3 Release of the 67mod can be used.

NOTE: Please ensure you join the correct server, due to the way we import if you start the race on the wrong server your result will not count.

REPLAYS
Privateers server replays will be posted in the usual place after the event. Works will now be posted at http://grandprix.xs4all.nl/ . When downloading please check the timetable for other races and DO NOT download while another race is being run.

The Circuito del Jarama (Circuit of Jarama), formerly known as Circuito Permanente del Jarama (Permanent circuit of Jarama) is a 2.115 mile race course in Madrid, Spain which has hosted nine Formula One Spanish Grand Prix. The circuit was built by Alessandro Rocci in 1967 north of Madrid in arid scrub land. It had a short straight and most of the course consisted of tight, twisty corners so overtaking was extremely difficult. Jarama hosted its last Formula One race in 1981 although it still holds occasional sports car and motorcycle races.
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« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2011, 08:59:53 PM +0000 »

Who chose this track? I got a shock when I tried it  Shocked ...if T1 is hard on Mexico, this is all around  Wink
I have little difficulty finding out of 'tokens'...I have enough tokens for a Ferrari on Jamara ?

It finally succeeded with server in Igor/Gem+ & Jamara running 24/7 for those who wishes to practice  Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2011, 09:05:02 PM +0000 »

I have little difficulty finding out of 'tokens'...I have enough tokens for a Ferrari on Jamara ?
Looks like you have 19 tokens + you will get 10 when you cross the start line so yes you can use a Ferrari.
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« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2011, 09:05:41 PM +0000 »

Just hover the pointer over your total points and it will show your tokens; you currently have 19 and you will get a further 10 as you cross the start line so you have plenty for the Fez, in fact you could use any car.

Edit: Oh I wonder why I bother sometimes  laugh Who do you think you are, Chief Mod or something!!!!!  Grin
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« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2011, 11:06:42 PM +0000 »

Oh I wonder why I bother sometimes  laugh Who do you think you are, Chief Mod or something!!!!!  Grin
I wish to thank you for the answers ...no matter who you guys are  Grin Yeah, Ferrari  laugh
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« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2011, 11:20:59 PM +0000 »

Oh I wonder why I bother sometimes  laugh Who do you think you are, Chief Mod or something!!!!!  Grin
I wish to thank you for the answers ...no matter who you guys are  Grin Yeah, Ferrari  laugh
Well you should be left with 14 tokens after the race. So, as the rules stand, if you count in your ten at the next race you can also have the Ferrari at Monza if you want...
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« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2011, 11:33:40 PM +0000 »

you can also have the Ferrari at Monza if you want...
Hush Hush between the two of us, I had thought of pulling a Eagle up my sleeve  Cool
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« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2011, 12:06:36 AM +0000 »

Hey I've got a championship to win here! There's not gonna be no Eagle pulled up any sleeve!
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« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2011, 01:43:08 AM +0000 »

You'll have to wait until Monza, Tom.  Smiley
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« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2011, 10:02:44 AM +0000 »

I am definitely making progress but I want to know how in God's name Hristo managed a 1:27 around this bloody awful track. Five minutes in a back room with the sadistic mod who chose this abomination...
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« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2011, 12:39:08 PM +0000 »

I am definitely making progress but I want to know how in God's name Hristo managed a 1:27 around this bloody awful track. Five minutes in a back room with the sadistic mod who chose this abomination...

Have you seen the extremely suspicious world record of 1.18!!!!!!!!!! Now that is scary.
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« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2011, 12:53:17 PM +0000 »

I doubt that's possible even in 69s, lol. Probably a warp/lag time uploaded along with other replay exports. I bet there's no replay to validate the lap. In fact, Jarama isn't one of those officially confirmed WR tracks, is it?

@Paul - I tried to find a replay of the race where I did that 27, but it seems I didn't save the replay. From the race report I wrote back then it appears as if the lap was a one-off, but I hope to be able to at least get close to it.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2011, 01:14:24 PM +0000 »

Hope you don't H - I only managed a 1:30.2 last time we were here and I had a Waza tank  Grin
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« Reply #13 on: February 15, 2011, 03:00:20 PM +0000 »

I bet there's no replay to validate the lap. In fact, Jarama isn't one of those officially confirmed WR tracks, is it?

Correct, no sign of a replay and yes it is a fastest lap as opposed to and official world record. Very odd that it has not been removed off the GPLRank site where I notice you reside next in line with an incredible but believable 1.25.977!!!!
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« Reply #14 on: February 15, 2011, 03:11:51 PM +0000 »

They don't remove laps, regardless if they're valid or not. I hold a couple of unconfirmed WRs myself.  Cheesy

Only some tracks have 100% verified and confirmed WRs, but even some of those tracks have lap times which are faster than the verified WRs. It's just that those times don't show up when you select "verified world records only" on the Show World Records page.

As for high 25, it must be with the Lotus?
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