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  • S20N Albi: February 22, 2011
February 22, 2011, 09:42:39 PM +0000 - Albi (1959-80) - UKGPL Season 20 (2010-2011) Novices Trophy (65)
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Artiglietti
 
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 1 1:15.387
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1 38:24.674
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30 1:15.834
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Dunlop  
Ronniepeterson
 
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 4 +0.686
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2 +5.854
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30 1:16.249
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Dunlop  
Ross Neilson
 Clark-Hill Racing
Brabham BT7 (Climax) F1 1965 3 +0.643
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3 +27.824
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30 1:16.243
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Dunlop  
miner2049er
 Clark-Hill Racing
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 7 +1.346
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4 +41.228
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30 1:17.164
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Dunlop  
norbert
 Antipasti Racing
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 6 +1.207
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5 +48.575
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30 1:17.131
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Dunlop  
roguk
 Clark-Hill Racing
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 11 +1.892
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6 +1:01.945
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30 1:17.304
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Dunlop  
blito
 Nessuna Speranza
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 15 +2.282
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7 +1:12.517
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30 1:17.425
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Dunlop  
il_lupo_mannaro
 Black Night Racing
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 5 +0.968
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8 (+12) +1L
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29 1:16.471
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Dunlop  
NHance
 Mountside Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 2 +0.585
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9 +6.322
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29 1:16.989
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Goodyear  
maddog
 Antipasti Racing
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 12 +2.183
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10 (+2) +9.273
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29 1:17.367
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Dunlop  
karlisss
 
Honda RA272 F1 1965 9 +1.488
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11 (+6) +24.128
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29 1:16.705
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Goodyear  
Nigel Smith
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA272 F1 1965 13 +2.236
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12 (+3) +24.384
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29 1:17.452
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Goodyear  
happyal
 Clark-Hill Racing
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 8 +1.447
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13 +24.841
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29 1:17.527
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Dunlop  
BadBlood
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA272 F1 1965 14 +2.267
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14 +1:04.249
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29 1:18.104
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Goodyear  
vosblod
 Clark-Hill Racing
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 10 +1.685
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15 +16L
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14 1:17.166
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Dunlop  
5 UKGPL.65
 
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 16 DNS ---
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Dunlop  

Moderator's Report

Albi proved very popular among drivers and they have asked for a swift return there. A simple track to learn but a difficult one to master, where a few tenths can mean starting at the wrong end of the grid.

We saw some incidents involving the first graduates from the Jethro Walters School Of Motoring, but hopefully they will follow their mentor's example by learning from their mistakes and penalties and improving their online race craft as Jethro has.

The enjoyable race has left everybody eager for the final showdown at Adelaide. As long as there is not a political revolt in the meantime that is.


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Nigel moves to the left at the start and collects Paul.
Nigel can at no time see Paul in his mirrors, but knowing that a car has started on that side of the grid behind him, the car must be alongside so he should keep to his own side of the grid.


Server replay time: 0h00m50s

Fabio follows Norm and Ross to T1, but Norm lifts to follow Ross through rather than run around the outside of him.
Fabio appears to attempt a pass as he closes on Norm but he has no overlap and should have lifted to follow Norm.
Fabio clips Norm's right rear and spins him before being warped from the track.
Norm was slow on entry even though this was Lap 1 so I have mitigated that by removing one of the Penalty places from the very ambitious overtake rule because it was still Fabio's responsibility to avoid a collision having seen Norm and Ross battling for the corner.


Server replay time: 0h00m58s

Blito stays right to avoid the collision between Nigel and Paul.
Paul rejoins and can barely hear Blito alongside into T1.
As soon as Blito appears in his view Paul takes avoiding action but Blito seems to feel a contact and hits the stricken Norm.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h02m50s

Blito appears to be lining up a pass on paul at Double Droite but Paul is unpredictable on the brakes.
He appears to block but it is a loss of control under braking which fortunately Blito manages to avoid.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h03m10s

Martin attempts to pass Alistair on the inside at Virage Du Parc but he has no hope of making the pass successfully coming from so far back and having no overlap at all.
Martin had attempted a pass at Double Droite a few seconds earlier which he actually made until he ran out of track.
Alistair was always going to take the racing line and had every right to it.


Server replay time: 0h03m55s

Paul runs wide through T1 and is slow on the grass but recovers without spinning.
Blito had been following him closely and has now moved past, so when Paul retakes the track he moves to the racing line where Blito is.
Paul should have expected Blito to be there having seen him following him up to the incident.
The server shows no contact and Paul's car reacts violently suggesting warp is involved.
Only Paul was affected.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h15m20s

Alistair is defending his position from an eager Blito while Fabio keeps a close eye on proceedings.
Alistair turns in to the final turn but Blito has got alongside in a valid passing attempt and he has actually got his nose in front at turn in.
Al may have been confused when he could still see a Ferrari in his mirrors but this was Fabio.


Server replay time: 0h19m10s

Vosblod attempts to pass Karliss at Virage Du Parc and the 2 collide.
Karliss is recovering from a slide at Double Droite and is getting back up to speed allowing Vosblod to get alongside. Vosblod keeps a tight line but Karliss turns in to him and takes the racing line where Vosblod is.
Karliss can see Vosblod in his mirrors on the straight leading up to the corner and moves over to leave him room.
When they reach the braking zone and the corner Karliss can no longer see Vosblod but he can hear him so he must be alongside and he should leave him room or risk a collision.
This incident shows the importance of being able to take a corner using alternate lines as in a race you cannot be sure of being on the racing line all of the time. It also shows the importance of being aware of what is around you, using sound as well as sight to learn where other cars are.

  • karlisss (Karlisss-65)penalty — Simple Side By Side Contact — 1 place lost (plus 5 for penalty points)


Server replay time: 0h27m05s

Fabio attempts to pass Karliss in to Virage Du Parc but the two collide and spin.
Fabio has no overlap at turn in and comes from a long way back.
The fact that he can lap more quickly than Karliss at this stage of the race has no bearing on the incident and Karliss had every right to take the racing line.


Server replay time: 0h31m05s

Nigel passes Alistair around the outside of Double Droite and the 2 collide.
Alistair keeps a tight line through the fist and second apex but drifts wide on the exit and collects Nigel.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h39m00s

Martin once again demonstrates his prowess at running out of fuel before the final corner.
Luckily this time he manages to take his Stop n Go before finishing the race.

  • Racing incident

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« Reply #75 on: March 05, 2011, 06:32:06 PM +0000 »

... so not sure how they are going to police it anyway.

Why should it be policed at all? There's tarmac beyond the curbs and the fact is, those curbs were manually placed in reality onto the road sections to slow the cars down and prevent the track from becoming a wide Monaco. In the end, it's the same for everyone and I think the time gained is a fair reward for those who wish to take bigger risks by using more of the curbs and beyond.

The problem with trying to stay within the curbs at some corners is that you have to slow down a lot more and turn the car more, and you can easily lose control of the car by doing that, especially if the rear wheels climb over the curb while you're trying to keep the frontend off them.
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« Reply #76 on: March 05, 2011, 08:00:05 PM +0000 »

There is nothing wrong with using kerbs, but anybody with all 4 wheels on or beyond the kerb edge will risk being penalised. We have not really seen it done before in Novices so I made everybody aware of it after Castle Combe.

https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=8669#event2390

The only time I have known it be allowed to happen here is earlier this season in Amateurs by a unanimous or majority decision, but that is not the case here, so it will not be allowed as a rule.

The reason you haven't been black flagged in races for cutting corners is perhaps either because the server has checkpoints disabled or the checkpoints are very lenient. I know at Albi they are not lenient and if checkpoints are enabled it is difficult to do a clean lap according to the server.
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« Reply #77 on: March 05, 2011, 08:26:23 PM +0000 »

I've posted the Adelaide race announcement so please continue the Adelaide discussions there, thanks.

https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=9077.0
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« Reply #78 on: March 05, 2011, 08:32:32 PM +0000 »

I didn't mean checkpoints at all, Mike. If you load up all previous UGKPL Amateurs and BREASTS races at Adelaide, you'll see most people using as much of the kerbs as possible, and going beyond some of them on corner exits, such as the one leading on the Brabham Straight. There were never penalties for doing so and it was accepted as normal. Plus I've had a couple of oAo races there which were conducted in the same manner.

It's not actually possible to cut the chicane completey and gain time, or get away with maintaining control of the car, so really not an issue. You're more likely to crash out or not gain any time than anything else. The safest and fastest line is definitely within and over the curbs, not cutting through them, with the exception of the above-mentioned corner exit.
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