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  • S20GrP Jarama: February 20, 2011
February 20, 2011, 10:47:08 PM +0000 - Jarama - UKGPL Season 20 (2010-2011) Graduates Cup (67) Works
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Hristo Itchov
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 1 1:26.502
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1 48:23.551
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33 1:26.728
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Firestone  
Tom van Ostade
 
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 4 +1.795
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2 +54.422
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33 1:28.104
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Firestone  
Pelle_B
 TEAM-GTLDK
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 2 +0.522
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3 +54.619
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33 1:27.292
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Firestone  
Baab
 
Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 3 +1.550
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4 +58.531
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33 1:28.182
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Firestone  
FullMetalGasket
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 6 +2.798
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5 +1:21.583
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33 1:28.809
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Goodyear  
kinghiro
 Clark-Hill Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 7 +2.838
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6 +1L
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32 1:30.207
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Goodyear  
EvilClive
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 8 +3.217
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7 +19.896
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32 1:29.903
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Firestone  
Al Heller
 Clark-Hill Racing
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 9 +4.433
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8 +41.343
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32 1:30.756
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Firestone  
Samb
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 5 +2.578
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9 +2L
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31 1:29.743
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Goodyear  
john roberts
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 11 +4.820
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10 +2.359
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31 1:30.742
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Goodyear  
b_1_rd
 Clark-Hill Racing
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 12 +6.769
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11 +19L
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14 1:33.077
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Firestone  
Turkey Machine
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 10 +4.704
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12 +28L
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5 1:31.740
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Firestone  
Gpg UKGPL
 
BRM P115 F1 1967 13 DNS ---
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Goodyear  

Moderator's Report

A bit of a thriller with Pelle fighting his way from the back to finish second (but see below). It all goes down to the wire in the final race.
One general issue; we had some cases of what could be deemed corner cutting with a possible view to overtaking. There are no specific rules on this at present, although one may be in the pipeline, but corner cutting is not something we encourage. It can give an unfair advantage and can also be dangerous. By corner cutting I don't mean just a couple of wheels astray.


Server replay time: 0h02m56s

Pelle is following John and appears to try and overtake by going off track at the corner. A collision with John then ensues.
This falls under the following;

Very Ambitious Overtake: Penalty 2 Places
The overtaking driver had not achieved any degree of overlap at turn-in. The overtaking driver WOULD have made the corner. Penalty for overtaking driver.

However warp may be a factor in this as the server does not show direct contact, although a collision probably would have happened anyway, and Pelle came out worse by losing places.
Accordingly the penalty will stand but with a Warning only.


Server replay time: 0h02m57s

Please see the notes above regarding corner cutting. We disable checkpoints for online races as GPL can be a little temperamental in applying it. However, under normal circumstances, Pelle would have been black flagged and made to pit. Accordingly, a 20 second time penalty is also being applied in recognition of this.

February 21, 2011, 11:46:37 AM +0000 - Jarama - UKGPL Season 20 (2010-2011) Graduates Cup (67) Privateers
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Ronniepeterson
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 1 1:29.342
85.114mph
1 51:39.282
80.967mph
33 1:31.004
83.559mph
Goodyear  
maddog
 Antipasti Racing
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 4 +3.099
82.260mph
2 +4.895
80.839mph
33 1:31.627
82.991mph
Firestone  
bernie
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 3 +2.773
82.551mph
3 +27.493
80.255mph
33 1:31.558
83.054mph
Goodyear  
il_lupo_mannaro
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 2 +2.725
82.594mph
4 (+1) +1L
78.205mph
32 1:31.590
83.024mph
Goodyear  
Nigel Smith
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 7 +6.415
79.412mph
5 +34.026
77.359mph
32 1:33.320
81.485mph
Firestone  
Michael Turner
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 5 +4.227
81.269mph
6 +54.033
76.870mph
32 1:36.030
79.186mph
Firestone  
Billy Nobrakes
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 6 +4.656
80.898mph
7 +1:22.404
76.187mph
32 1:34.291
80.646mph
Goodyear  
hannah
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 8 +7.501
78.521mph
8 +1:25.684
76.109mph
32 1:35.195
79.880mph
Goodyear  
BadBlood
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 9 +22.000
68.296mph
9 +7L
61.585mph
26 1:43.925
73.170mph
Disco
Firestone  
Nigel Smith
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 10 DNS ---
---
Firestone  
Hristo Itchov
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 11 ---
---
Firestone  
2 UKGPL_T7
 
BRM P115 F1 1967 10 12 ---
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Goodyear  

Moderator's Report

A win for Ronnie is lining things up for a thrilling season finale. Two reported incidents in this one.


Server replay time: 0h36m48s

Mike is following Hannah but is keeping at a reasonable distance. Hannah loses control going into the armco and off the racing line. Whilst not completely coming to a halt he does immediately carry on straight back onto the line in the corner. Mike has slowed considerably but does carry on.
The only scenario that seems to fit this is a Bad Rejoin. Knowing he had lost control and knowing there was traffic close behind he really should have taken time to check he could safely carry on. Can this be considered to be a 'rejoin' as he didn't actually leave the track as such by virtue of the armco. Well yes in that he was off the main tarmac.
This would appear to be the scenario;

Blatant Bad Rejoin: Penalty 2 Places
The rejoining driver was NOT in full control but nevertheless attempted to drive straight back onto the racing line without any consideration for other drivers and contact was made.

However I do feel there is some mitigation in this case. Firstly perhaps Mike should have been a little more cautious in that Hannah was not completely off track and it could expected, not having come to a complete halt, he would have continued. Also whilst yes it is a bad rejoin it doesn't fit the normal scenario of completely going off and then rejoining. Lastly, it is clear Hannah was not completely in control and had not come to a halt so it could be said he was still trying to correct himself when the collision happened rather then deliberately attempting to get back onto the racing line.

Under these circumstances I am going to call this a racing incident but with advice to Hannah to do everything possible to stay clear if you have lost control and advice to Mike to be extra cautious if someone has lost control into a barrier but not come to a halt, you can't predict what will happen.


Server replay time: 0h44m08s

Following an earlier collision Fabio is left on track facing the wrong way. Hannah has gone off slightly further back, possibly from losing control trying to avoid the incident ahead. Hannah was facing the right way and moved off before Fabio. Fabio could, or should, have seen Hannah move as he was facing towards him. It is irrelevant whether Hannah had already been lapped as he clearly had, for want of a better term, the 'right of way'. Fabio then turned across directly into Hannah causing the incident.

This clearly is a bad rejoin as Fabio had come to a complete halt and was in control of what he was doing. I do not consider it 'appalling' as it cannot be said Fabio was actually trying to rejoin onto the racing line so the rules have this;

Blatant Bad Rejoin: Penalty 2 Places
The rejoining driver drove straight back onto the track, but not the racing line, without checking for other cars and contact was made.

However I am again going to allow some mitigation here. The reason being is that I think we should allow for an element of confusion ie they are both off/out and both naturally want to restart but it happens to be at the same time. However the onus was clearly on Fabio to wait as he was facing completely the wrong way. Accordingly the standard 2 place penalty has been reduced to 1.

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« Reply #15 on: February 15, 2011, 03:28:04 PM +0000 »

As for high 25, it must be with the Lotus?

No its not the Lotus, Brabham I think.
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« Reply #16 on: February 15, 2011, 05:55:15 PM +0000 »

They don't remove laps, regardless if they're valid or not. I hold a couple of unconfirmed WRs myself.  Cheesy

Only some tracks have 100% verified and confirmed WRs, but even some of those tracks have lap times which are faster than the verified WRs. It's just that those times don't show up when you select "verified world records only" on the Show World Records page.

As for high 25, it must be with the Lotus?

Yeah, I'm about 4th or 5th fastest at Sebring in the Mk1 GT40 despite holding official WR at the mo  Grin
And I recon I only just managed that too! Very close to 4 wheels over the line in places  ninja
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« Reply #17 on: February 15, 2011, 07:06:02 PM +0000 »

By the request of Tom and for anyone wishing to see how H managed such a quick time at this circuit  Grin, I've uploaded the S17 Race at Jarama http://www.megaupload.com/?d=KOIWQV1Y.

I'd forgotten how action packed that event was, here's hoping the race this weekend will produce another dramatic finish  Smiley.
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« Reply #18 on: February 15, 2011, 07:16:13 PM +0000 »

Hehe, let's give this one a go, connection permitting. I have a feeling I'll like this place. Smiley
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« Reply #19 on: February 15, 2011, 07:41:24 PM +0000 »

I had a quick burn in the brab, mostly in 2nd & 3rd gears, track seems to have a low grip surface or summat (or was that the set-up I was using?).  Didn't like it too much, reckon the race will be total carnage with few finishers.  Pleased we had Kyalami though, even if I arsed it up!

Don't think I'll be breaking the piggy bank on a Lotus for this one.

Bob
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« Reply #20 on: February 15, 2011, 08:17:12 PM +0000 »

Watching that replay got to question the amount of track abuse used by the Wazas  Roll Eyes

Apart from that it seemed to be a Waza V Whale fest

Looking at my own efforts, they were pretty pathetic  Embarrassed

Hope I can do a better race this time, but have to admit this track has got me beat  :'(

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« Reply #21 on: February 15, 2011, 09:21:09 PM +0000 »

By the request of Tom and for anyone wishing to see how H managed such a quick time at this circuit  Grin, I've uploaded the S17 Race at Jarama http://www.megaupload.com/?d=KOIWQV1Y.

I'd forgotten how action packed that event was, here's hoping the race this weekend will produce another dramatic finish  Smiley.

Many thanks Sam! Gonna watch it now Smiley .

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« Reply #22 on: February 16, 2011, 12:06:51 PM +0000 »

It was very interesting to watch the replay. It seems a tiny mistake can have a big impact on your lap time so I hope to stay consistant throughout.

Tom.
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« Reply #23 on: February 16, 2011, 12:15:53 PM +0000 »

OK - I've watched the replay and apart from having to double check if I had fast forward on Wink it made me sea-sick. Amazed at the speed some of you guys carry into the corners - I just can't stop it from spinning if I go in that hot. Respect.
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« Reply #24 on: February 16, 2011, 12:22:46 PM +0000 »

I had a WR for Nurburgring in the Coop for a few years till I deleted it  Cheesy

Some stupid time that was obviously impossible,  but my CV looked great  Grin
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« Reply #25 on: February 16, 2011, 12:52:28 PM +0000 »

I had forgotten just how much I detest this circuit!!  Undecided Embarrassed scared
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« Reply #26 on: February 16, 2011, 01:56:59 PM +0000 »

The best way around this circuit, is to frequently use your mirrors.  That way, you'll be looking ahead! Tongue
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« Reply #27 on: February 16, 2011, 07:06:42 PM +0000 »

I'm struggling to get below 1m27s   Grin

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« Reply #28 on: February 16, 2011, 07:15:16 PM +0000 »

I'm struggling to get below 1m27s   Grin



I did some practice and I must say a lot of it depends on car setup. I mean, a lot more than usual. It appears that if your car has even a moderate degree of understeer on corner entry and in the middle of the corner, it leads to much slower lap times, and also makes the car very snappy on the exits as you try to make it turn while stepping onto the throttle, especially in those corners where the altitude and camber changes as if you're coming out from a bowl.
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« Reply #29 on: February 17, 2011, 07:36:09 AM +0000 »

Finally I begin to understand this track...a little, IMO is just as difficult as Nurburg. Roll Eyes
With the 12th setup (taken from Nurburg) began times to go down, but are still struggling to keep the temp down on the rear.  Undecided
Ferrari: 1:27.7 is the best I can...yet, but it should have been better  Angry
It is server replay I have cut out & can be seen here: (I look forward to the time being hit on server) Wink
http://www.gt-legends.eu/GPL/Replays/Jarama/PB_Jarama_1_27_7.zip

Hey I've got a championship to win here! There's not gonna be no Eagle pulled up any sleeve!
Sry Tom...but after 2 race in Honda & Ferrari now at Jarama, I must take a rest break in an Eagle at Monza  Grin
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