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March 08, 2011, 09:47:36 PM +0000 - Monza (GP 1955-71) - UKGPL Season 20 (2010-2011) Amateurs Trophy (65)
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
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kinghiro
 Clark-Hill Racing
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 3 +0.312
132.761mph
1 49:05.675
130.988mph
30 1:37.017
132.571mph
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Hristo Itchov
 HikiWazaRacing
Brabham BT7 (Climax) F1 1965 8 +1.128
131.652mph
2 +0.052
130.986mph
30 1:36.859
132.787mph
Dunlop  
Al Heller
 Clark-Hill Racing
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 5 +0.577
132.399mph
3 +15.805
130.289mph
30 1:37.163
132.372mph
Dunlop  
natan5
 
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 6 +0.803
132.092mph
4 +15.890
130.286mph
30 1:37.028
132.556mph
Dunlop  
G Jonsson
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 2 +0.171
132.955mph
5 +16.212
130.271mph
30 1:36.770
132.909mph
Goodyear  
Baab
 
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 1 1:36.566
133.190mph
6 +19.268
130.137mph
30 1:36.613
133.125mph
Dunlop  
fpolicardi
 Team7
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 9 +1.151
131.621mph
7 +19.468
130.128mph
30 1:36.871
132.771mph
Goodyear  
EvilClive
 HikiWazaRacing
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 10 +1.390
131.300mph
8 +1:03.448
128.226mph
30 1:38.645
130.383mph
Dunlop  
Clutch4
 Mountside Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 4 +0.513
132.486mph
9 +20L
121.055mph
10 1:37.663
131.694mph
Disco
Goodyear  
bernie
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 11 +1.493
131.162mph
10 +22L
127.054mph
8 1:39.258
129.578mph
Disco
Dunlop  
Phil Thornton
 Antipasti Racing
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 7 +1.037
131.775mph
11 +26L
123.441mph
4 1:39.729
128.966mph
Disco
Dunlop  
FullMetalGasket
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT7 (Climax) F1 1965 12 +1.856
130.679mph
12 +27L
125.637mph
3 1:38.621
130.415mph
Disco
Dunlop  
jhalli
 
Honda RA272 F1 1965 13 +3.157
128.974mph
13 +0.067
125.610mph
3 1:37.941
131.320mph
Disco
Goodyear  
2 UKGPL_T7
 
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 14 14 DNS ---
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Dunlop  

Moderator's Report

The season finale took place in great style with some great dicing occuring, and a suprise bid for the win from Hristo in his BT7.

Monza (as usual) generated great debate amongst drivers over potential handicaps, but aslo (As is often the case) managed to provide an excellent close race.

Hope everyone enjoyed S20, and look forward to seeing you all again in S21!

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« on: March 03, 2011, 05:12:24 PM +0000 »

Good evening Ladies and Gentlemen, hope you enjoyed the show
Good bye Ladies and Gentlemen, it's time to go
Good evening Ladies and Gentlemen, that's all the tracks songs we know
Good bye Ladies and Gentlemen, SO LET GO! LET'S GO!


From the tight, twisty confines of Sodeguara we now continue on to Italy, and the speedfest that is Monza for the final race of season 20's Amatures championship.
Odd's on favorite is anyone who's car isn't powered by elastic bands and sticky back plastic, so a victory from either a BT7 or a Cooper is unlikely!
Hope you've all enjoyed this season, as it was my first i've been learning and using best judgement - Now I'm hoping to make season 21 even better by taking onboard all your feedback.  Smiley


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Built in Villa Reale park north of Monza and officially opened on 3 September 1922. The 1933 race was marked by the deaths of three drivers and the Grand Prix layout was changed, with two chicanes added and the longer straights removed. The first grand prix after WW2 was held on 17 October 1948. The high speed bank‌ing was added in 1954. 1961 had a fatal accident, with Wolfgang von Trips and fourteen spectators dying near the Parabolica. Despite the fact that the bankings were not involved in that accident, F1 never raced on the oval again (except in the film Grand Prix made in 1966). The 1000 km Monza staged the last event on the banking in 1969. Various 'safety' measures were introduced in subsequent years with additional chicanes and run off areas.
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« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2011, 12:38:06 AM +0000 »

I injured my shoulder in tennis. Only way I can participate is with auto gear as it looks now.Never thought about it before, but I t s not prohibited is it?I tried to see through rules technical.
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« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2011, 09:44:36 AM +0000 »

No reason not to join with it in auto - just be aware it might be a bit harder to control!  Grin
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« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2011, 10:21:36 AM +0000 »

Why do you need a shoulder to change gears? Shifter? Anyway, I would think it's more involved in actually steering the wheel. You can simply set up 2 buttons on your steering wheel for gear changes. That's what I use for a few years now, after my paddles bit the dust.
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« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2011, 12:14:01 PM +0000 »

look like I have to steer with one hand too unless I improve next hours.I might be able to assist with it parts of the race though but cant depend on it to be active the hole race(typing this with my left hand)
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« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2011, 12:32:53 PM +0000 »

Why do you need a shoulder to change gears? Shifter? Anyway, I would think it's more involved in actually steering the wheel. You can simply set up 2 buttons on your steering wheel for gear changes. That's what I use for a few years now, after my paddles bit the dust.


That's now blown the mental picture I always had of H using a wheel handle like those trials cars drivers   stupid
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« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2011, 12:34:36 PM +0000 »

Do you use FF? I find it quite OK to drive with one hand doing most of the work and the other just assisting without FF, but it would require fairly weak feedback settings to do it with FF.
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« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2011, 08:22:50 PM +0000 »

Server is up for anyone who want's to practice online and laugh at my lack of speed!  Grin
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« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2011, 10:01:32 PM +0000 »

Didn't last very long - and actually looked like it'd be interesting too  Sad
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« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2011, 10:02:33 PM +0000 »

Disappointing end to the season for me.  I think my first gear was a bit tall so I was a bit slow off the line and consequently got tagged by Bernie as he swerved round me.  We both moved a bit so it was 50/50.  That left me facing the wrong way and when I got going I was 6 seconds adrift with no tow.  Had to push very hard to try and bridge the gap but I over did it a bit at Lesmo 2 and lost the left rear in the hedge  Sad  race over.
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« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2011, 10:13:37 PM +0000 »

I know the faster guys in the slower cars have a bit of a moan about Monza, but they're missing the point.

This circuit always produces great, close racing for the majority of the field and ever since i've been with UKGPL i've always been in races here where everyone seems to enjoy it.

I made a poor start and after a few laps ended up racing with guys clearly faster than me in slower cars and guys who are closer to my speed in similar cars. All of us having fun racing together. Isn't that what UKGPL is all about?  Wink

My engine blew after 12 laps, but i didn't care. I was having a blast.

This circuit is always a great end of season finale and puts everyone on a level playing field, meaning even the slowest guys have the potential to win. Always a great way to end the season at a classic F1 venue.

I've hated many of the circuits this season, and liked a few, but this one, brief though it was, was great fun.  Smiley
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« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2011, 10:21:27 PM +0000 »

Got to agree whole heartedly with Mr clutch  Smiley

Sorry about the tag Phil (thinks , that'l teach the sod ) Not intentional I assure you  Grin

My race ended suddenly with a Disco just as I was having fun with Evil in his underpowerd brabby whatsit thingy

For the first time in ages I was enjoying a bit of close competition , good fun while it lasted  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #12 on: March 09, 2011, 12:52:06 AM +0000 »

I don t use FF my wheel doesn t have any:). anyway leaving the injured arm with the stick worked fine although a bit new to me. These was a very intense race..a bit too intense sometimes  and somewhat frustrating. I was caught behind Baab in the start and was down to 5 th. managed to climb to 3 rd..and after that there was alooong dice with Al baab and me. Now the frustration comes. The slower cars from behind start catching up because we just have too many close battlles in slow areas. I was side by side with baab in almost every Lesmo 1 and para. I tried my best to communicate, but maybe I was not that easy to understand always either. Al gave way for me sometimes I didn t want to attack but just change line to minimize chance for shunting. I guess it could be read as an attack.
Bob has a spin in L1 in dice with H (me at third now) and after that I drove together with H all to the end. My engine bringing him over the line 00.5 secs ahead although he was first out of Para.
Reliefed when it was over .I had a win preassure. One shouldn t loose to a bt7 with a BRM at Monza, but H did an amazing job sticking to my tale.
THe main victory from this was ofc to pass Gøran in the chip Cheesy. I sensed some frustration from your side but thx for the gz I saw after you left. I ll have a look at the rpy from your view too.
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« Reply #13 on: March 09, 2011, 03:53:12 AM +0000 »

This is one of the most intense races I've ever had! (or have I already used that line for other races before, but just don't remember?)

I knew I had no chance whatsoever in the BT7 against the army of BRMs and BT11s (how come we have so many of those??), but to qualify in 7th despite a tow from Evil (great team work in Qualifying) was rather disheartening. I had low expectations for the race and just wanted to finish behind that pack of fast cars, and maybe pick up a place or two if any would retire.

After an advice from Tim for using 6th gear only for slipstreaming and which worked quite well after I put it to the test in Qualifying when we did the team tow run with Evil, it led to having a slightly longer 1st gear than I would've liked, but it was just enough to make a decent start as I shifted up from neutral.

The BRM in front (which I assume was Tom, judging from his report) had a bad start and I passed it in the first few meters, then got passed myself by someone else and kept the outside line in CG. I quickly realized the difference in speed between my BT7 and the BRM/BT11 pack in front, and that the only chance to keep up with them was to never lose the slipstream.

Easier said than done though, especially with the drivers around me driving a bit overly-defensive and thus forcing me to go slower through corners - something which I couldn't afford to do! I had a few outbursts of actually saying things to them and waving my fist, as well as doing the latter in game.  Angry Grin

It's easy to drive defensively when you have the power to re-catch those in front, but it's a source of desperation when your only chance to make up time in corners is being compromised by another driver like that. Anyway, because those in front seemed to be too involved with their own battle, they were not going at optimal speed and I was soon up to 5th and catching them up.

The slipstream from the frontrunners (I don't really know who was who) was alowing me to break away from those behind me, even though they stayed within reach, ready to take advantage of any little mistake. The slipstream-only 6th gear worked great and allowed me to go slightly faster than a BRM running without a tow at the end of the longest straights, which was enough to make passes, especially when combined with slower corner exits by the BRM drivers.

Even so, as soon as I would pass someone, they were immediately back to regain their position, so I needed some tactical approach to make it stick. The way it worked best was passing someone under braking into Lesmo 1, after getting a better exit speed out of CG (which I suppose was down to better setup for that particular turn), and then pulling away through the two Lemos and using the slipstream of the next car in front to break away or at least defend against any attacks. Then I could fortify my defense by a faster Parabolica and switch to using the same tactic on the next car.

Obviously there was a shortcomming of that in the sense that I'll have nobody to pull me forward once I pass the leader, but there was no time to think about that at the time. It took many laps to even reach the leader, whoever it was at the time, and then make a proper pass, but by the time it happened, some of those running in the pack had dropped back - Clutch, Fulvio, Al, Nathan and Bob. I was eventually left to fight only against Tom's BRM, and it was one of the faster BRMs, especially compared to Bob's, whose strange driving habits were really irritating - slowing down on the exit of corners, driving extremely defensively costing us both time, and then running oddly slow down the straight, despite having a BRM.

Anyway, once I remained the only challenge to Tom, I wanted to make sure we break away from the rest, so I didn't attack like mad everywhere I could, but just hung on with him and passed whenever it came naturally, without compromising our corner speeds too much. It worked positively and with our mutual slipstream and exchange of positions, we soon doubled the gap back to Al and Nathan from 5 to 10 seconds.

I needed to test how I was going to finish in front of Tom at the line, so I tried a couple of attacks at different places and observed how quickly he could repass me back, and what were his weakest places at the track. It appeared that as long as I could get a faster exit off Lesmo 2 and use the tow on the run to Parabolica, I could pass Tom and then it all depended on accelerating earlier than Tom. In 2 out of 3 attempts, it worked fine, so I was optimistic, but there were still 5 laps to go.

In those 5 laps I didn't make any more attacks and just put pressure on Tom, hoping he would brake too late and go off, or something. That didn't happen, so the tension was building up all the time until the final lap. I was very nervous at this point and almost lost it in Lesmo 2, but managed to accelerate slightly better and use the tow provided by Tom's BRM.

Tom decided to take an inside line on the entry to Para instead of the outside line, which he took in all of my previous test attacks, so I had to improvise and brake late, and then accelerate earlier through the outside of the corner.

It worked quite well to be honest, but Tom had a very good exit as well and was a bit too close compared to the previous times when I managed to cross the s/f line in the lead.

As it turned out, he just managed to pass me at the end, by 5 hundreds of a second.  Sad

Grats to Tom, of course, great racing, very clean! I just wish the others would not have raced so aggressively and defensively so early on, because you really don't gain anything like that on such a powertrack where slipstream is of big importance. Of course, it helped to me keep up and catch up with them, which I wouldn't otherwise have a chance of doing, but it's counter-productive and it also slowed me down once I become a part of the fight. It was even crucial for me because I couldn't afford to lose time in corners and lose the tow from those ahead.

I thought I had a chance to win the title after his retirement and had I won the race, but apparently I was wrong, so grats to Tim for the Championship! Well deserved!

-=Hristo=-
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« Reply #14 on: March 09, 2011, 11:12:44 AM +0000 »

Anyway, once I remained the only challenge to Tom, I wanted to make sure we break away from the rest, so I didn't attack like mad everywhere I could, but just hung on with him and passed whenever it came naturally, without compromising our corner speeds too much. It worked positively and with our mutual slipstream and exchange of positions, we soon doubled the gap back to Al and Nathan from 5 to 10 seconds.

I just wish the others would not have raced so aggressively and defensively so early on, because you really don't gain anything like that on such a powertrack where slipstream is of big importance. Of course, it helped to me keep up and catch up with them, which I wouldn't otherwise have a chance of doing, but it's counter-productive and it also slowed me down once I become a part of the fight.

-=Hristo=-


This is why Hristo came in second, nearly winning, a race at Monza in a BT7. It really make the rest of us, except Tom, in much faster cars look rather...... well I do not know what word to use but it surely in not flattering.

I made a good start and was leading from the grid. I knew of cause it would not stay that way but I did not expect most of the others in the faster cars to battle it out among themself all the way and that way letting Hristo in the BT7 keep up, and pass, us.

In the end it of cause is my own inability that is the key here but I was really frustrated when I was in thees fights and more then once with two BRM`s in front battling in a way that was both very slow, when it came to laptimes, and hopeless to pass because they were allways going side by side down the straits. It did not help me much that I was quite a bit faster in the corners because I was nearly always behind two BRM`s side by side.

If you would have used the tow, passed the other and then gone back to the line swapping positions on every strait it would have gone very much faster and then of cause at the end battle for the position. Of cause I can see the fun in battling the way you did and why should you mind my wishes really but at the time I was not using kind words.

So, let me express my greatest admiration for Hristo and also Tom for not letting him be caught in the rest of the pack.

And my congrats to Tim for winning the championship.

Göran

 
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