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March 08, 2011, 09:45:20 PM +0000 - Adelaide (GP) - UKGPL Season 20 (2010-2011) Novices Trophy (65)
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Artiglietti
 
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 1 1:33.306
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1 39:53.359
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25 1:34.272
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Dunlop  
Ross Neilson
 Clark-Hill Racing
Brabham BT7 (Climax) F1 1965 3 +1.295
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2 +4.129
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25 1:34.186
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Dunlop  
maddog
 Antipasti Racing
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 5 +2.210
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3 (+1) +36.211
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25 1:35.087
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Dunlop  
Ronniepeterson
 
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 6 +2.241
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4 +59.121
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25 1:35.725
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Dunlop  
karlisss
 
Honda RA272 F1 1965 2 +1.047
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5 +1:30.703
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25 1:35.651
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Goodyear  
blito
 Nessuna Speranza
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 9 +3.549
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6 (+4) +1:36.752
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25 1:37.098
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Dunlop  
Nigel Smith
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA272 F1 1965 11 +3.965
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7 +1L
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24 1:36.538
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Goodyear  
miner2049er
 Clark-Hill Racing
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 4 +2.142
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8 +18.914
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24 1:36.829
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Dunlop  
norbert
 Antipasti Racing
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 13 +4.799
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9 +39.790
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24 1:38.669
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Dunlop  
vosblod
 Clark-Hill Racing
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 12 +4.796
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10 +41.904
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24 1:38.487
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Dunlop  
NHance
 Mountside Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 8 +3.051
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11 +1:09.151
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24 1:36.658
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Goodyear  
Billy Nobrakes
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 14 +5.186
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12 (+2) +1:11.950
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24 1:37.726
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Goodyear  
Fragfritz
 
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 16 +11.353
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13 +17L
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8 1:46.847
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Dunlop  
BadBlood
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA272 F1 1965 15 +5.821
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14 +18L
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7 1:40.068
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Goodyear  
roguk
 Clark-Hill Racing
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 7 +2.740
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15 +1.055
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7 1:38.602
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Dunlop  
il_lupo_mannaro
 Black Night Racing
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 10 +3.906
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16 (+7) +24L
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1 1:47.312
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Dunlop  
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Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 17 DNS ---
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Moderator's Report

The final race of the season was a bit of a mixed bag. Some midfield drivers had good races and some good drivers had midfield races.

The slippery surface caught a few out and a lack of practise for others was evident by the spin fest lower down the order.

I think most are ready for the rest that the season end brings, but don't forget the pickup races during the break as many will need to learn to drive new cars next season. ;-)


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Attilio uses the tarmac on the outside of the kerbs at the exit of Brewery Bend, sometimes having all four wheels over the kerb and using the extra road as track.

I previously said that this would not be moderated as it was possible that drivers could end up using that piece of road if they made a mistake through Brewery.
Therefore it will go unpunished as the same opportunity was open to all drivers.

  • Racing incident


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Karliss continually cuts the chicane at T1 when the race post clearly (in bright red letters) asks people not to do it.
He does not always seem to gain an advantage and it is sometimes clearly due to a loss of control, but during his battle with Ronnie he seems to do it intentionally, though this backfires when he has to drive through the trees back to the circuit.
Most people cut the chicane at T1 to some degree, but all the incidents below are where Karliss has all 4 wheels off the track.
0h00m54s cuts 2nd part of T1
0h09m10s cuts both parts of T1
0h10m45s cuts 1st part of T1
0h12m25s cuts 2nd part of T1
0h14m00s cuts 2nd part of T1
0h15m44s cuts 2nd part of T1
0h17m20s cuts 2nd part of T1
0h18m58s cuts 2nd part of T1
0h20m35s cuts 2nd part of T1
0h25m25s cuts 2nd part of T1
oh27m00s cuts 2nd part of T1
0h28m35s cuts both parts of T1
0h30m20s cuts 1st part of T1
0h31m58s cuts 2nd part of T1
oh33m33s cuts 2nd part of T1
oh35m11s cuts 1st part of T1
0h36m46s cuts 2nd part of T1
0h38m33s cuts 2nd part of T1


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Blito is a little enthusiastic heading into T1 and closes up on Rog before hitting him causing another incident behind for Billy and Norbert.


Server replay time: 0h00m50s

Billy leaves the line and approaching T1 can see a car in the air,
he moves left to avoid a possible contact but moves straight into Norbert spinning them both.
Norbert was visible on the run to T1


Server replay time: 0h02m50s

Nigel spins and rejoins the track on to the racing line.
Fabio avoids him but only just.
Nigel should have been prepared to wait for a bigger gap in the traffic

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h03m10s

Mike goes too wide at Stag and ends up spinning.
Norm takes the same route hoping not to miss out on the new racing line, but unfortunately he hits the spinning Mike.
Fabio sees Norm parked and the magnet in the front of his Ferrari instantly homes in on the metalwork of Norms car sending him skywards

All 3 have to wait for the entire field to pass before resetting
Mike resets at the same time as Fabio and is warped again so resets a second time.
All are deemed free resets.

  • Racing incident


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Fabio rear ends Fragfritz approaching the Brabham Hairpin.
Fragfritz is new to the division and is not as fast as Fabio, but Fabio is still accelerating when Fragfritz has started braking and seems to take no avoiding action.


Server replay time: 0h10m00s

Martin closes quite quickly on Fragfritz and runs into the back of him.

Fragfritz was not quite at racing speed but Martin should have avoided the collision.

This should have been a Simple Rear End Shunt and would have attracted a 1 place penalty, but I have mitigated the lost place as Fragfritz was so slow and Martin caught him very quickly, but in Fabio's similar incident, he had followed Fragfritz down the whole of the straight.


Server replay time: 0h12m45s

Paul runs wide into the last corner and Billy sees the opportunity to go for the gap.
He had no overlap at turn in but could see Paul running wide.
Paul recovers and accelerates again while turning back towards the racing line where Billy now is.
Both have asked for no penalty to be given.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h22m35s

Billy predicts a run at the bar after the race, so heads to the beer tent to place his order and ask for it to be put on ice.

  • Racing incident

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« on: March 05, 2011, 08:23:27 PM +0000 »

UKGPL Season 20 Novices Trophy (1965 Mod) Race 10 March 8th

We end the nailbiting Novices season Down Under, though drivers are discouraged from observing local traditions and driving their cars upside down as this causes problems for the Moderators. Besides which, it is generally faster to keep your wheels on the tarmac.

The sunny Adelaide circuit is a temporary street circuit in the East Parklands and played host to 11 Formula One Grand Prix events from 1985 to 1995. It is the scene of Niki Lauda's last race and Ayrton Senna's last win, and it has also proven to be the deciding round in more than one World Championship including the famous incidents involving Nigel Mansell in 1986 and Damon Hill and Michael Schumacher in 1994.

It also held the shortest race in Formula 1 history when the race was stopped after 14 laps due to heavy rain.

The circuit can be found here:
http://jrpearson.homestead.com/AdelaideCircuits.html

*** NOTE ***
Drivers found with all 4 wheels on or inside the kerbs at the first chicane will risk being penalised.


Please see the Novices registration thread for an explanation of the chassis allocations shown below:
http://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=8416.0

FULL TIME
DRIVER  
 CHASSIS  
Vosblod
Cooper
NHance
BT11
Miner2049er
Cooper
Il_Lupo
Ferrari
Billy NoBrakes
BT11
HappyAl
Ferrari
Gilles27
BT7
Burtoner
3
Nigel Smith
Honda
Ronnie Peterson
Lotus
Blito
Ferrari
Mark65
1
Artiglietti
Cooper
BadBlood
Honda
RogUK
Cooper
Norbert
Ferrari
Maddog
Cooper

RESERVE
DRIVER  
 CHASSIS  
Karliss
Honda
Adamg67
BT11
Maestro
Cooper

Reserve drivers should not join the server until there are only 30 minutes of qualifying left so as to give the FULL TIME drivers chance to join, and drivers are not to go out on track until there are 30 minutes of qualifying left as this helps all drivers join the server successfully.

Please restrict chat to pit messages if necessary, and this includes the end of the race, until all running drivers have completed the necessary laps.

The Novice races are run under Int Long rules and all incidents will be moderated.

Race List = IGOR
Server = UKGPL5
IP address = ping myjamesonline.net
Race date = 08-03-2011
Time = 21:00 UK time
Track = Adelaide (adelaide)
Variant = 65F1
Damage Model = Int
Qualifying time = 35 minutes
Race length = 25 laps
Password: see above

65 Patch: The 2.02 Release of the 65mod can and should be used.
http://bit.ly/d8dECl

Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page
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« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2011, 08:34:12 PM +0000 »

Ah, so you meant only the T1 chicane. I would be surprised if anyone actually manages to cut it completely and get away with it. The car jumps way too high and lands violently which sends it out of control. It may work with a higher, softer setup, but then you'll be slower in the reminder of the lap.
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« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2011, 08:56:30 PM +0000 »

Yes I did - like I said - DON'T CUT IT Cheesy

How do you think I know that hehe.
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« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2011, 10:14:18 PM +0000 »

Ah, so you meant only the T1 chicane. I would be surprised if anyone actually manages to cut it completely and get away with it.

Yes, I think that is the only place it can be only be done on purpose to save time repeatedly. Everywhere else the places you can cross the kerbs are exits, and even those can flip your car as you did last season I think.

It would be possible but not advisable IMO, plus, this being a Novice race we may see people running wide there due to a loss of control rather than an effort to save time so it would be difficult to moderate anyway.
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« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2011, 10:32:49 PM +0000 »

OH, you just had to remind me of that! LOL, I remember it now... Jethro was having a good laugh as I think he was closest to me when it happened.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2011, 12:58:25 AM +0000 »

OH, you just had to remind me of that! LOL, I remember it now... Jethro was having a good laugh as I think he was closest to me when it happened.  Roll Eyes

Actually I think I was closest, you'd just lapped me.
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« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2011, 02:19:18 AM +0000 »

OH, you just had to remind me of that! LOL, I remember it now... Jethro was having a good laugh as I think he was closest to me when it happened.  Roll Eyes

Actually I think I was closest, you'd just lapped me.

I'll keep in mind not to lap you ever again.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2011, 12:47:36 PM +0000 »

Last time the Novices raced here the average for normal people (i.e. Vos down - sorry Tim) was around 1:42 - I've just done ten laps at an average of 1:44 - Best is 1:41 ish as the tyres came in so I have a lot to make up. I was looking for a finish on the same lap as the leaders this season but that is pretty forlorn I think. I'll do well to finish two laps down but I am getting some consistency in to my driving - now I just have to add racecraft, speed, concentration... laugh
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« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2011, 02:19:49 PM +0000 »

Ok - bit of practice and I have lowered that to a best of 1:38.9 and and average of 1:41! Anyone who says that setup doesn't make a difference if you are a novice is talking drivel! Stiffened up the rear springs and immediately found it more driveable and took a second off. Three laps under 1:40 straight away. I know that that is still slow by Amateur standards but is is an order of magnitude improvement for me. I have taken 7 seconds off my best in a week - only six more to go to beat H Smiley

The fastest lap is not that important to me, it is the consistency and I have gone from 1:46 to 1:44 to 1:42 average over a week by playing with the springs and gears -nothing else. Oh and I've learnt the track! Hopefully I can replicate all this in the race.
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« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2011, 03:01:46 PM +0000 »

Probably the biggest difference is you learning the track and having the confidence to drive it , rather than just the set up , though the two go hand in hand, you will find soon enough that you can adapt to driving even a poor set up and do good times , like you say its the consistency you need to begin with which then inspires confidence .

Nice to hear your improving , keep up the good work  Smiley
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« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2011, 03:03:02 PM +0000 »

Yes, consistency is important here, so is not overdriving.

The first sector should feel slow and you will get a faster sector time by being slow in and fast out of all the first left/right combos.
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« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2011, 03:12:50 PM +0000 »

I had to chuckle at " Anyone who says that setup doesn't make a difference if you are a novice is talking drivel!" .  I think Paul is beginning to "feel the force".  lololol

The "confidence" factor cannot be ignored though Paul.

The practice you have done has given you the confidence of knowing where the track goes and what worked ( or did not work!!) last time around, so that when you changed the setup you could immediately "feel" the extra grip and stability and could exploit it..WITH CONFIDENCE. Without that confidence you could not have used that setup.

The more laps you do, the easier it will seem to be, until the point when you feel you have just cruised around a lap, only to discover that you have set a PB by some 2 secs!!! simply because you were super smooth through all the corners, fed the power in just right without drama and did not over drive.

Then it all goes wrong because you try too hard to equal that PB and frustration sets in!! lol  At least it does with me  Undecided

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« Reply #12 on: March 07, 2011, 03:23:07 PM +0000 »

After reading what you said, Evil, it reminded me of a funny story from the 1993 Adelaide GP. Senna was just ending his 2 flying laps Qualifying run and his team was on the radio, telling him to pit in on the next lap because he only had fuel for one more lap. The problem was his radio was not working properly, so he kept going while asking on the radio when to come in. It turned out the lap he did was his fastest and enough for pole position, even though he was not actually trying hard anymore!  Cheesy
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« Reply #13 on: March 07, 2011, 03:25:58 PM +0000 »

Oh dear... I`ve not yet bettered 1:40 here so I could be looking at another last place on the grid  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #14 on: March 07, 2011, 03:54:43 PM +0000 »

I'll fight you for it! The quote about 'drivel' came from the fact that I changed the rear bar by 10 and found I couldn't corner - it was a fight - turn it down by 15 and hurrah the car turns - 25 and I spin.

It may well be that my skill level means that I am kidding myself but I don't think so. Couldn't do it without help from all the guys. A big thanks to you all. You know who you are I Am Not Worthy

PS Jason, just slow down - you'll speed up Wink
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