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March 15, 2011, 10:42:38 PM +0000 - Monza (GP 1955-71) - UKGPL Season 20 (2010-2011) Historic Trophy (66)
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
FullMetalGasket
 Black Night Racing
Ferrari 312 (1966) F1 1966 1 1:32.274
139.423mph
1 51:59.757
136.084mph
33 1:33.264
137.943mph
Firestone  
kinghiro
 Clark-Hill Racing
Lotus 43 (BRM) F1 1966 5 +1.183
137.658mph
2 +1:03.737
133.360mph
33 1:34.916
135.542mph
Firestone  
EvilClive
 HikiWazaRacing
Eagle T1G (Weslake 1966) F1 1966 9 +2.673
135.498mph
3 +1:30.948
132.229mph
33 1:35.514
134.694mph
Goodyear  
Syd Drake
 Drake Racing
Ferrari 312 (1966) F1 1966 2 +0.229
139.078mph
4 +25L
135.490mph
8 1:33.728
137.260mph
Disco
Firestone  
Hristo Itchov
 HikiWazaRacing
McLaren M2B (Ford) F1 1966 8 +1.719
136.873mph
5 +35.629
129.420mph
8 1:36.829
132.864mph
Disco
Firestone  
Dave Randall
 
Ferrari 312 (1966) F1 1966 3 +0.838
138.168mph
6 +33L
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0 ---
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Disco
Firestone  
Al Heller
 Clark-Hill Racing
Lotus 43 (BRM) F1 1966 4 +0.943
138.013mph
7
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0 ---
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Disco
Firestone  
G Jonsson
 Black Night Racing
Ferrari 312 (1966) F1 1966 6 +1.387
137.359mph
8
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0 ---
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Disco
Firestone  
Phil Thornton
 Antipasti Racing
Ferrari 312 (1966) F1 1966 10 +2.776
135.351mph
9
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0 ---
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Disco
Firestone  
bernie
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Ferrari 312 (1966) F1 1966 7 +1.453
137.262mph
10
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0 ---
---
Disco
Firestone  
Nigel Smith
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA273 F1 1966 11 +3.300
134.609mph
11
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0 ---
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Disco
Goodyear  
EvilClive
 HikiWazaRacing
Lotus 33 (Climax 1966) F1 1966 12 DNS ---
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Firestone  
kinghiro
 Clark-Hill Racing
BRM P261 (1966) F1 1966 13 ---
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Goodyear  
Dave Randall
 
Brabham BT11 (Climax 2.5) F1 1966 14 ---
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Goodyear  
2 UKGPL_T7
 
Brabham BT11 (Climax 2.5) F1 1966 13 15 ---
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Goodyear  
FullMetalGasket
 Black Night Racing
Ferrari 312 (1966) F1 1966 12 +9.557
126.338mph
16 ---
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Firestone  

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This time the podium was big enough for all finishers. Tim took the win KingHiro second and Evil 3rd.

No incidents were reported.

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« on: March 11, 2011, 09:03:48 AM +0000 »

Up for a new cracking race at Monza? Good, because for the 9Th round of the Historic trophy we go there. I welcome you all to this event.

There will be chassis restrictions for this one based on the championship standings. Se below.

Please restrict chat to a minimum, (or maybe none).

Moderating will be by reported incidents only, however the moderator will review any incident on lap one. Please submit incident reports within a week after the race so that the moderators report may be out before the next race.

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Server =            UKGPL_T7_2
IP Address =       62.149.202.168
Race date =       15-03-2011
Time =              21.00 UK time
Track =             Monza  1967 
Variant =           66F1 3L engines
Damage Model =  PRO
Qualifying time = 120 minutes but do not join until 35 minutes left. Do not start driving until 30 min left.
Race length =     Pro Long (33 laps)

The track can be downloaded from: Papy track


Group I
Mclaren M2B Ford
T1G Eagle Weslake


Group II
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BRM P83
 

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Brabham BT19
Cooper T81
Honda RA273


Drivers Restricted to cars from Group I
Hristo Itchov
EvilClive


Drivers Restricted to cars form Group II
Al Heller
KingHiro


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(2) Driver lists can be found here http://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=278&theme=6
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« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2011, 01:36:30 PM +0000 »

More Monza! What is going on???!?!!  death
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« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2011, 09:45:13 PM +0000 »

Massive shunt on the run down to T1 which I couldn't avoid, end of my race Sad.  Pity I was looking forward to that one.
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« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2011, 09:59:03 PM +0000 »

I will never understand why people drive so foolishly on the opening lap and especially at Monza. Enough space for 3 cars to run side by side, as was proven in the Spec race, yet some just drive like they're alone on the track. That was a really bad move, Dave, it ruined the race for many of us.  Sad
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« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2011, 09:59:33 PM +0000 »

 Embarrassed

So sorry to you all.

Thought I was clear to tuck in behind Syd, but did not see Al coming through in the blind spot.  When I eventually saw him I adjusted but even though from my view we didn't touch, of course we know GPL is not so forgiving.  I should have just kept it straight, but instead ended up spoiling several of your races on the very first lap, shameful!

Hope those who managed to avoid the carnage had a good race, I will now go and find a suitable hole..
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« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2011, 10:11:41 PM +0000 »

I will now go and find a suitable hole..
Hope it's a dark and smelly one.
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« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2011, 10:11:56 PM +0000 »

I just don't get it, Dave. Fine, you're sorry, but what about next time? What exactly is the benefit of tucking behind the car in front, are you going to win just because of getting a bit of slipstream on lap 1? Especially in these cars, with the MASSIVE long slipstream they provide, you can easily drop behind 2 seconds and still catch up with ease.

And I'm not saying it as a personal attack, but to bring up the point, because it happened again and again in the other Monza races. Think about if the risk of potentially running into someone is worth it at all. I'm more than happy to drop a couple of places on the start if it's going to keep me in the race, yet some of you drive like the race is decided at the end of lap 1 or as if you don't believe you'll get another chance to attack.

It's exactly the reason why I nearly won in the BT7 in Amateurs - people driving in this do or die manner from lap 1, instead of keeping their lines and working with each other to pull away. On such a track, you will never going to win by leading in all laps but the final one.
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« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2011, 10:14:41 PM +0000 »

I will now go and find a suitable hole..
Hope it's a dark and smelly one.

I'm over the disappointment now LOL Wink.  It's been a very unlucky season for me.  Hopefully have better luck next season!!
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« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2011, 10:24:47 PM +0000 »

I would lie if I say I'm over the disappointment. What if this was a Championship deciding race? Sure, it doesn't matter in this case, but seeing this thing happen so often, I can't but try to create some awareness. How many times we say "careful lap 1" or "careful at the start" in GPL chat, before every single race. Countless number of times.

And I don't believe any lost places penalties are going to change a thing if the drivers are unwilling to change their approach. And I don't think it's an issue to be ignored either. You may think I'm being too serious about it, but considering we spend REAL time and REAL effort to attend these races and run in these championships, it's worth being serious about it. Again, nothing personal, Dave. It's not like you're doing it all the time, but it was probably the worst start incident we've had so far in quite a while, so it gives me the incentive to speak about the issue.
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« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2011, 11:14:40 PM +0000 »

I just don't get it, Dave. Fine, you're sorry, but what about next time? What exactly is the benefit of tucking behind the car in front, are you going to win just because of getting a bit of slipstream on lap 1?

I didn't do it for the slipstream H, ironically I did it because I thought turn 1 would be safer in single file and for a better line, but it was a very bad judgment all the same, I simply didn't see him when I looked left but should have known better than to move over at all on the first lap before T1 especially.  Time to invest in triple monitors perhaps!?

Anyway I agree with your comments and feel sh*t about it, hate to spoil anyones race as I know how much we all look forward to them.

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« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2011, 12:07:05 AM +0000 »

Did a fair amount of practise for this and got the fezzer up to a reasonable pace so was looking forward to a decent race for a change .

Muffed the start then got as far as Curva grande , cars flying everywhere , saw a gap which looked as if I could sqeeze through but suddenly all I saw was a close up of red paint , Phil or Gus ? Sorry whoever  Undecided

Anyway  race over , didnt realise how many others were involved , thought it was just me out and 1 or 2 others , feel better now the dust has settled .

BTW I think thats the first time ever I qualified in front of Hristo even though he was driving a dog  Grin

Feel sorry for Dave , at least he owned up and didnt blame everything else in sight . Hristo does has a point though regards Lap 1 incidents , we should all be professional enough to avoid this sort of thing by now , escpecially at Monza as its notorious , but it still crops up time and time again  Smiley
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« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2011, 12:11:21 AM +0000 »

BTW I think thats the first time ever I qualified in front of Hristo even though he was driving a dog  Grin

OH, you really did! I didn't notice, grats!  Shocked

I had a fairly good lap, with slipistream, so your race preparation must've really paid off.
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« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2011, 06:35:22 PM +0000 »

Feel sorry for Dave , at least he owned up and didnt blame everything else in sight .
Yes, I agree with you Bernie.  Apologies accepted so we should move on. 

I know we have tried lots of ways to prevent this sort of thing happening.  Pro rules should ensure greater care is taken but that isn't always the case and it doesn't stop warp related problems.  So the only solutions I can think of (apart from asking people to take more care) are:

1.  Allow a shift-R (maybe limited to 1 per race).
2.  Use even looser grids possibly single file (good idea for the GTs anyway).
3.  No overtaking on lap 1.
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« Reply #13 on: March 16, 2011, 07:00:32 PM +0000 »

How about neither of that and just more responsibility from drivers, more severe penalties (so they actually learn and keep it in mind next race) and sticking to your lines after the start, even if it means losing positions, and keeping a good distance from the car in front so you can react on time. I don't like sanitizing the racing just to replace responsibility on behalf of the drivers...

And the issue with allowing shift-r is it means running Int damage, making a big difference in how easy you can blow up and engine or how much damage you would suffer in a collision (with a wall or another car).

I like the single file grid for GTs though.
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« Reply #14 on: March 16, 2011, 09:15:33 PM +0000 »

I would settle for the "use a bit of common sense rule"   Smiley

As for single file grids and no overtaking rule , well fine as long as you all agree to line up behind me  Grin

How about noovertake until after T1 or T2 ? (Nah ! would just postpone the akko till T3 )

Mayhaps we might have some kind of restart rules for shunts or discos enmass , tough to implement  unless maybe we appointed a none racing observer or Clerk of Course to call the shots and red flag the race    Undecided

maybe have a rota for the position Huh

Q/ would it work ?

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