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  • S21His Panchine: April 26, 2011
April 26, 2011, 10:42:38 PM +0100 - Panchine - UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Historic (66)
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
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Hristo Itchov
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA273 F1 1966 1 1:51.542
133.377mph
1 49:21.405
130.616mph
26 1:52.093
132.721mph
Goodyear  
Raoni Frizzo
 Team Coyote
Brabham BT19 (Repco) F1 1966 13 2 +1:07.859
127.690mph
26 1:54.375
130.073mph
Goodyear  
G Jonsson
 Black Night Racing
Ferrari 312 (1966) F1 1966 3 +1.240
131.911mph
3 +1:15.228
127.380mph
26 1:53.394
131.199mph
Firestone  
fpolicardi
 Team7
Brabham BT19 (Repco) F1 1966 8 +5.742
126.847mph
4 +1:15.433
127.371mph
26 1:53.364
131.233mph
Goodyear  
maddog
 Antipasti Racing
Brabham BT19 (Repco) F1 1966 5 +4.252
128.479mph
5 +1L
127.924mph
25 1:55.045
129.316mph
Goodyear  
Nigel Smith
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA273 F1 1966 6 +4.543
128.157mph
6 +1:37.973
123.754mph
25 1:56.463
127.741mph
Goodyear  
EvilClive
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA273 F1 1966 2 +1.090
132.086mph
7 +7L
130.114mph
19 1:52.881
131.795mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Phil Thornton
 Antipasti Racing
Ferrari 312 (1966) F1 1966 9 +7.003
125.498mph
8 +8L
123.583mph
18 1:57.088
127.059mph
Disco
Firestone  
FullMetalGasket
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT19 (Repco) F1 1966 4 +1.540
131.561mph
9 +10L
127.195mph
16 1:54.896
129.484mph
Disco
Goodyear  
BookieW
 HikiWazaRacing
Brabham BT19 (Repco) F1 1966 10 +13.519
118.959mph
10 +11L
113.969mph
15 2:04.726
119.279mph
Disco
Goodyear  
il_lupo_mannaro
 Black Night Racing
Ferrari 312 (1966) F1 1966 11 +16.980
115.756mph
11 +19L
110.294mph
7 2:05.073
118.948mph
Disco
Firestone  
Ronniepeterson
 
Honda RA273 F1 1966 7 +4.707
127.976mph
12 +22L
120.522mph
4 2:01.010
122.941mph
Disco
Goodyear  
EvilClive
 HikiWazaRacing
Brabham BT11 (Climax 2.5) F1 1966 13 DNS ---
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Goodyear  
1 UKGPL_T7
 
Ferrari 312 (1966) F1 1966 12 14 ---
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Firestone  

Moderator's Report

So a new season and we are at Panchine an imagined track set in the beautiful lakelands of northern Italy. Qualification was full of the usual suspects with Hristo being somewhat faster than his Hiki-Waza team mate Evil Clive. Goran completed the top three with the only other sub 1:53 time.
As we all know, the first corner of any race is fraught with danger and so it proved this time as Goran was outpaced out of the first turn by a speeding FMG. As Goran slid wide, Tim had nowhere to go and the faintest of touches span tham both wildly in front of Martin who did well to avoid a collision. Tim got away relatively cleanly but Goran was dropped back to 9th.
The first part of the race was fairly hectic with battles up and down the grid. Out front Hristo and Clive were neck and neck with H always having the edge but given that Hristo's pole was over a second ahead of Clive, Evil was doing well to keep H in check. Indeed Clive briefly took the lead at Turn 1 on Lap 2 but H reasserted himself to get the lead back by Turn 5. Clive would lead again, briefly on Lap 6 and 7 but each time H came straight back.
Tim and Ronnie were now battling it out and Tim finally got past at turn 1 on lap 2. Next up was Phil who had avoided the debris on the first lap. Tim dived down the inside of Phil coming to the complex of turns starting with the Curva Isola Verde and overcooked it, finding the fence. Phil would have several more people assuming they could outbrake him into right handers but he kept a steady line and maintained his position. As Tim recovered he slightly baulked Ronnie who thus lost the chance to get his place back. This put Ronnie in the sights of Goran who lined him up, passed him... and then crashed! Meanwhile Tim had pressured Phil into an error at the complex - the sight of the iron railings and two 90 degree bends was proving a challenge.
So H led with Clive close behind. Martin having a quiet race was in third and a charging Tim fourth. Next up Phil, Ronnie, Fulvio, Raoni (the new boy from Brazil) and Goran. These were all so close you could throw a blanket over them - ok, quite a large blanket... bit further back was Nigel with Bookie and Fabio bringing up the rear.
Lap 5 was proving hectic with Bookie taking to the grass and Fabio going to talk to him... Ronnie catches Phil and tries to pass him at a right hander overcooks it and finds the hedge too sticky to continue. Fulvio and Raoni zoom past with Goran close behind. Raoni, who started from the pit lane, is on fire and lines Fulvio up. A clean pass gives him the place. Phil up next. He is dispatched on Lap 6 with a brave charge on the S/F straight. Raoni fourth and charging.
Phil, who had profited from the first lap crash, is now under pressure from Fulvio and Goran. Fulvio manages to slip past but Goran is too far back. Close racing between Phil and Goran for the next few laps allows Fulvio to build a lead over the two of them. Up front H and Clive stay close but in that order. Martin is having a nice Sunday drive and may be too far ahead for Tim and Raoni. At the other end, Nigel is having a steady race and Fabio retires having visited the greenery once too often. That leaves Bookie bringing up the rear.
That will stay the order until lap 11 when Phil makes a mistake at the Curve di Schiammo. The complex proves a game changer again. It will also account for Tim who seems to have been lucky when he hits the fence but as he slows his right hand front wheel does not. The sad sight of his Dunlop continuing to race spells the end.
Lap 15 and there is some excitement as H makes an error and finds himself facing the hedge. Luckily for the race leader Clive overdoes it braking and loses it sufficiently for the race order to be maintained. Bookie's engine lets go on Lap 16 and he coasts into the pits but not before Raoni adds insult to injury by spinning him at the entry!
On to Lap 19 and Phil, who is now driving a lonely race wickedly maintains his line in front of Clive who decides to lap him through the engine block. Oops. Clive is upside down and Phil is spinning. Can he continue. Maybe... until his engine becomes a fiery ball as he spins backwards into a tree. Luckily Phil disconnects just in time to allow Nigel to zoom through although not in time to avoid frightening him mightily.
The story of the race is now Goran hunting down Fulvio. Fulvio has maintained a ten second lead but Goran finds some speed and starts reeling in the home favourite. Lap 23 and Goran finds some amazing pace and late braking to take the place. Three laps of nose to engine racing ensues. The best battle of the day. Fulvio just cannot find a way through so Goran maintains his fourth place behind Raoni with Fulvio fifth and Nigel a lap down in sixth. H has gone.
But what is this. A mad dog has forgotten his extra petrol can and on the last lap a deathly silence descends! He has run out of gas. As he coasts sadly to a stop, Raoni, Goran and Fulvio all streak by.
Cracking race, lots of close battles and that complex from the Curva Isola Verde sorts the men from the boys. Special mention for Raoni. From last to second with great pace. Looks like this championship is going to be hard fought.

Paul "Badblood" Whitfield


Server replay time: 0h00m54s

Göran was 3rd and Tim was 4th on the grid but Tim did a better start so they entered T1 side by side with Tim on the outside. None of them could see the other. At the exit Göran was drifting left and there were Tim and they came into contact.

Both drivers must have known about the other because of the starting positions and that none of them saw the other so both should have taken better care to avoid contact. Göran by holding the inner line even on the exit and Tim by holding back a bit because he did not se Göran.

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Grand Prix Legends
F1 1966
1:51.542
133.377mph
Hristo Itchov
Qualifying
Honda RA273April 26, 2011, 10:42:38 PM +0100
S21His
Grand Prix Legends
F1 1966
1:52.093
132.721mph
Hristo Itchov
Race
Honda RA273April 26, 2011, 10:42:38 PM +0100
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« on: April 22, 2011, 01:01:35 AM +0100 »

WELCOME TO THE UKGPL SEASON 21 HISTORIC (66) TROPHY  

For the first round we go to Italy. The Panchine track may be a fantasy but it is fast, has sticky hedges and a nasty jump so be aware.

There will be full moderation of lap one, and then reported incidents for the rest of the race. Please submit incident reports within a week after the race so that the moderators report may be out before the next race.

Please restrict chat to a minimum, (or maybe none).

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Server =            UKGPL_T7_2
IP Address =       62.149.202.168
Race date =       26-04-2011
Time =              21.00 UK time
Track =             Panchine     Autodromo Nazionale delle Panchine
Variant =           66F1 3L engines
Damage Model =  PRO
Qualifying time = 35 minutes. Do not start driving until 30 min left.
Race length =     Pro Long (26 laps)

The track can be downloaded from: http://www.javinester.co.uk/gpl/panchine.html


Group I
Mclaren M2B Ford
T1G Eagle Weslake


Group II
Lotus 43 BRM Ford    
BRM P83
 

GroupIII
Ferrari 312
Brabham BT19
Cooper T81
Honda RA273


Drivers Restricted to cars from Group I



Drivers Restricted to cars form Group II or Group I



All drivers have free chassis choice.


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« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2011, 01:45:08 AM +0100 »

I don't like that we use restrictions for the first round. It goes against the meaning of the handicap system which only kicks in based on points standings. As it is, we all have 0 points at the start, so it doesn't make sense.  Roll Eyes

It's a new season, it has nothing to do with S20.
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« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2011, 03:03:54 AM +0100 »

I don't like that we use restrictions for the first round. It goes against the meaning of the handicap system which only kicks in based on points standings. As it is, we all have 0 points at the start, so it doesn't make sense.  Roll Eyes

It's a new season, it has nothing to do with S20.

i guess it's like the golf system , so better players can do rounds with those less skillful .

so it's not against the handicap system just a different one , so it does make sense .

one other thing Hristo i'm not saying i'm for or against this system , i'm just saying it's a valid system with different approach to the others .

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« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2011, 09:15:23 AM +0100 »

I guess it all depends on wether or not you approve of handicap races. Sometimes its a good thing but it can lead to some slightly distorted results. Certainly if I were to beat Hristo in a race perhaps it would be wise to question the depth of the handicapping.
years ago, during the Wireplay GPL league, we ran a handicapping system that set a benchmark time that no driver was allowed to exceed. This gave the faster drivers a full choice of chassis and all manner of ways of restricting their own speed. It made for some good close racing but did fustrate the faster guys on occasion.
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« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2011, 10:29:42 AM +0100 »

we ran a handicapping system that set a benchmark time that no driver was allowed to exceed. This gave the faster drivers a full choice of chassis and all manner of ways of restricting their own speed. It made for some good close racing but did fustrate the faster guys on occasion.
Not suggesting any changes but, out of interest, how did that work? ie how did you stop someone exceeding a benchmark and what stopped someone setting a 'false' time (could be done with Prib) then opening up in the race? I am assuming the restriction only applied in qually and not the race itself.
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« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2011, 10:36:07 AM +0100 »

I don't really understand what you're saying, guys. We have a handicap system for Historics. It's based on points standings. I don't have a problem with it and it works well in my opinion, I like it. Each championship should be treated separately though and with a handicap system like this one, everyone should be given an equal start. I simply fail to see any other logic except "let's handicap Hristo and Evil further more as a compensation for beating us in S20."
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« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2011, 10:39:42 AM +0100 »

Not suggesting any changes H I'm just interested as to how the system Jason mentions worked.

PS: I'm keeping out of this one as I'm not the division mod but I would mention exactly the same thing happened last season, and the season before that, and no one raised it as an issue.
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« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2011, 12:16:17 PM +0100 »

Well, I'm raising it now, especially with the new points system.  Smiley Just want to understand the logic behind it.
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« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2011, 09:21:13 PM +0100 »

I don't like that we use restrictions for the first round. It goes against the meaning of the handicap system which only kicks in based on points standings. As it is, we all have 0 points at the start, so it doesn't make sense.  Roll Eyes

I must say I kind of agree with you on this one Hristo. Even if I do understand where it comes from. When I took over as mod for the Historic I did not think much about it, just a little humm, OK and so it stayed.

But it really builds on the idea that most things are static, like the same drivers and no one improving, - or impairing - . But if new, or old, fast drivers join then it really misses the point, so if I do not get any good reason too keep it over the next couple of days I will remove the handicapping for the first race.

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« Reply #9 on: April 22, 2011, 10:18:34 PM +0100 »

If I didn't believe drivers can improve then I wouldn't be bothering half as much. I think we see a lot of evidence of people improving. Anyway, if it's been decided and you won't budge on it, so be it, but I hope this would be the last time...
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« Reply #10 on: April 22, 2011, 11:02:06 PM +0100 »

Anyway, if it's been decided and you won't budge on it, so be it, but I hope this would be the last time...
Eh, didn't Goran just say he would drop the handicapping for the first race???

I didn't see such a thing, lol. Did I misunderstand something?

Ah I just noticed... well he's not decided yet obviously.
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« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2011, 11:04:31 PM +0100 »

Sorry I modified my answer after you had posted or something and now it's deleted LOL.
Anyway I think that says it's dropped unless anyone raises a good reason why not too...
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« Reply #12 on: April 22, 2011, 11:12:16 PM +0100 »

Well, I did practice with the McLaren yesterday, tricky track.  Smiley
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« Reply #13 on: April 23, 2011, 08:22:07 AM +0100 »

"This season drivers will be seeded and allocated a chassis group for the first race, this should prevent the first round being a virtual spec race."

Yes or no???
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« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2011, 09:57:50 AM +0100 »

"This season drivers will be seeded and allocated a chassis group for the first race, this should prevent the first round being a virtual spec race."

Yes or no???


It's not like it matters to you, Ronnie. Regardless of whether we go this way or not, it's only me and Evil who were grouped, so you have free car choice anyway. Read the bottom of the first post.
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