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May 01, 2011, 10:32:03 PM +0100 - Mont-Tremblant - UKGPL Season 21 (2011) GT
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
FullMetalGasket
 Orange GT
Ferrari 330/P4 GT 1967 1 1:40.497
94.915mph
1 51:47.395
92.090mph
30 1:40.885
94.549mph
Firestone  
Samb
 Blue GT
Lola T70 MkIII GT 1967 3 +1.349
93.657mph
2 +29.757
91.216mph
30 1:42.280
93.260mph
Goodyear  
EvilClive
 Red GT
Chaparral Mk2F GT 1967 2 +0.579
94.371mph
3 +35.605
91.046mph
30 1:42.500
93.060mph
Firestone  
jhalli
 Grey GT
Mirage M1 GT 1967 5 +2.088
92.983mph
4 +1:04.218
90.225mph
30 1:42.373
93.175mph
Firestone  
Dave Randall
 Orange GT
Chaparral Mk2D GT 1967 4 +1.476
93.541mph
5 +1:13.057
89.974mph
30 1:42.925
92.675mph
Firestone  
Hristo Itchov
 Red GT
Mirage M1 GT 1967 7 +2.237
92.848mph
6 +1:35.713
89.338mph
30 1:41.907
93.601mph
Firestone  
Cookie
 Green GT
Chaparral Mk2F GT 1967 8 +3.556
91.671mph
7 +1:38.877
89.250mph
30 1:44.067
91.658mph
Firestone  
fpolicardi
 Blue GT
Chaparral Mk2F GT 1967 6 +2.133
92.942mph
8 +1L
88.221mph
29 1:42.963
92.641mph
Firestone  
Phil Thornton
 Green GT
Mirage M1 GT 1967 9 +5.221
90.227mph
9 +53.586
86.739mph
29 1:47.084
89.076mph
Firestone  
b_1_rd
 Grey GT
Chaparral Mk2D GT 1967 11 +6.214
89.387mph
10 +2L
85.885mph
28 1:46.931
89.204mph
Firestone  
happyal
 Blue GT
Mirage M1 GT 1967 14 +10.813
85.694mph
11 +3L
81.544mph
27 1:50.820
86.073mph
Firestone  
BadBlood
 Red GT
Porsche 910 GT 1967 12 +8.898
87.194mph
12 (+3) +1:27.721
79.341mph
27 1:51.162
85.808mph
Dunlop  
blito
 Green GT
Ferrari 330/P4 GT 1967 10 +5.696
89.823mph
13 +4L
86.560mph
26 1:46.098
89.904mph
Disco
Firestone  
Nigel Smith
 Orange GT
Ford GT40 MkIIB GT 1967 15 +13.037
84.016mph
14 +4:03.280
79.786mph
26 1:50.408
86.394mph
Goodyear  
vosblod
 Grey GT
Ford GT40 MkI GT 1967 13 +10.158
86.201mph
15 +23L
78.095mph
7 1:53.014
84.402mph
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Goodyear  
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Moderator's Report

This was the first race of our season 21 GT series and the standard of driving was generally quite high, and the rolling start went well
( well, almost well!! see below )

Moderator's comments.

1) Because we are using rolling starts in these races it is important to be sure exactly where you should be when the grid is formed. A quick check to be sure whose car you should be following on the warm up lap is easy, and will automatically solve any glitches with a staggered grid that is not quite perfect in future races.

2) The GT's present a real problem with their lack of decent mirrors and a couple of the incidents in this race were partially down to that fact. I would ask all drivers to bear this in mind in future races.

It was heartwarming to see that almost everyone who took a Shift-R also called at the pits.
What was not quite so warming, was that not all drivers took the 10 second stop stipulated in the rules!!
So, there are some time penalties to be added to a few drivers finishing places.

Hristo was stopped for only 1 second, so attracts a 9x3 = 27 second penalty .

Paul was forced to make a pitstop after his contact with Dave Randall on his last lap but in his eagerness to cross the line ahead of Nigel was stopped for only 8 secs, so attracts a 2x3 = 6second penalty.

Update...........stewards are investigating Tim Vos for completely missing a pitstop.................................. However as he quit, when he realised his ommission, and finished last, he only gets a warning that his future conduct will be scutinised. :o)


Server replay time: 0h02m00s

As Paul has pointed out, Tim should technically not have been in front of him at that point as he had "jumped" a place in the rolling start. Not exactly an excuse to rear end someone, but I suppose he has a point?
In Tim's defence, I think there was a fault with the staggered grid positions , because there is no stagger between Paul and Tim's slots when they line up. They are side by side and Tim might just ( only just!!) be forgiven for simply following the car ( that he could see) in front. BUT!! it would also be reasonable for Tim to KNOW that he qualified behind Paul and be looking for the tail of his Porsche as he moved off the grid?

Vos loses pace at the crest on T1, is consequently slow down the hill and brakes quite early and conservatively for the esses complex. Paul is watching Vos's problems from behind and makes a clean run through T1 carrying more speed. Paul is closing quickly upon Tim at the bottom of the hill and Tim is quite justified in being in the middle of the road. I think Paul might have judged his closing speed and available tarmac a little better. There was a good possibility of making a clean pass down the inside given his greater speed and the better braking of the Porsche? Instead he caught the rear corner of Tim's Ford and spun both cars out.


Server replay time: 0h02m20s

As a result of his contact with Tim Vos entering T2, Paul' Porsche is on the grass and plainly lacking any traction or meaningful directional control. He crosses the track at T2 and is now on the grassy infield trying to get back to the tarmac at T3 via the scenic route.
Whilst Paul and Tim are having their country dancing lessons, Al Baldwin cruises through in his Mirage passing the stricken Tim and avoiding the Porsche crossing the track at T2. However Paul has not given up his chance to cause more mayhem and flashes across the nose of Al's car at T3.
Al might have thought that he had succesfully avoided all of this carnage and lines up his exit from T3, probably quite happy to have picked up 2 places within 200 mtrs.
However, Paul somehow gets enough traction in his Porsche to perform a "U" turn on the outside edge of the track and turns back to produce the perfect road block directly in front of Al who is knocked into a spin.
In the recovering mayhem, Paul manages to perform a half donut in an attempt to get his car facing in the right direction, but only succeeds in hitting the innocent Mr Baldwin again!!??.
I think given his strenuous efforts to obtain this penalty, it would be unfair not to give Paul something!! The initial contact with Tim was a small lapse of judgement and mitigated by the fact that Tim should not really have been there.
However, the Blatant Bad Rejoin(s) inflicted upon Al is deserving of recognition.


Server replay time: 0h08m35s

Hristo makes pit stop after Shift-R but fails to wait 10 seconds
The rules state that all stops after a Shift-R require a 10 second stop in the pit lane.
For each second that the pitstop is under 10 seconds the driver will be penalised x 3.
Only 1 second stationary = 9 seconds short. 9 x 3 = 27 second penalty.


Server replay time: 0h34m28s

The following incident was not reported but is worthy of mention I feel.

34:28 Hristo and Fulvio.

Fulvio is catching Nigel to lap him in his 2F and Hristo is close behind in his Mirage. On the exit of the sharp right after the bridge Fulvio has a slow exit because he is behind Nigel. On the run up to the final turn the extra grunt of Fulvio's 2F powers him past Nigel who has kept to the right hand side. Hristo has taken advantage of the slow exit and is carrying more speed. He also dives past Nigel on the first of gentle right hand curves and finds that Fulvio has run out to the left hand side of the track leaving the door wide open for the inside line on the second right flick. Fulvio is clearly unaware that Hristo is 75% alongside and moves across to his right.
Fulvio is spun out and blows his engine trying to recover forcing him to take Shift-R and a 10 second pitstop.

The poor rear vision in the GT's contributed to this incident. The last time Fulvio saw Hristo's Mirage in his mirror, it was 20+ metres behind him before Fulvio went past Nigel. He did not expect to make contact with a car when he moved to the right. In fact Fulvio might well have assumed that it was Nigel's car that he hit until he saw the replay.
I think this has to go down as a Racing Incident, but is a reminder to everyone that the rearward vision in these cars IS a problem and we need to exercise some caution on all sides

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h51m26s

Dave Randall has caught Paul and is about to lap him at the end of the long straight.
Paul, quite correctly, keeps his car on the outside of the track and off of the racing line, allowing Dave the line through the apex of the corner. Dave takes the right hander and both cars keep carefully to their own side of the track on the short straight to the next left.
Unfortunately, it appears that the poor rearward visibilty in the GT's contributed greatly to this incident. Paul was able to see Dave's car pass him and he could see that Dave would be able to sweep across and take the "racing line" through the left hander. But Dave could not be sure exactly where Paul's Porsche was as it was invisble in his mirrors ( The 2D is particularly poor in this department) and as a result he chooses to play safe and run around the outside of the left turn. This would have worked fine, if he had not put a rear wheel on the grass!! the resultant spin takes him directly across the path of Paul who is following him through the corner and they collide.
Dave recovers the track but loses a place to Hristo, and Paul is forced to perform a Shift-R.
Paul might have afforded Dave a little more space, but to force lapped drivers to make sure they can be seen in the mirrors of the faster car is an impossible ask I think
From Paul's point of view he had allowed Dave the racing line and had done nothing wrong. From Dave's perspective, he has lost a place in trying to pass a backmarker and had tried to make the pass safely without risking any contact and has also done nothing wrong ( except to put a whell on the grass)

Very unfortunate for both drivers, but I think a Racing Incident.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h52m17s

Badblood performs a shift-R on the last lap and duly goes into the pits to take his 10 second stop. Unfortunately he is only staionary for 8 seconds.
2 x 3 =6 second penalty

SimRacing.org.uk Lap Records
Grand Prix Legends
GT 1967
1:40.497
94.915mph
FullMetalGasket
Qualifying
Ferrari 330/P4May 01, 2011, 10:32:03 PM +0100
S21GT
Grand Prix Legends
GT 1967
1:40.885
94.549mph
FullMetalGasket
Race
Ferrari 330/P4May 01, 2011, 10:32:03 PM +0100
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« on: April 27, 2011, 11:03:30 PM +0100 »

Preliminary post to get this event up and running.

The first race in this new team championship takes us to Canada and the excellent St Jovite circuit. This track has sections that suit the real muscle cars and other parts that suit the nimble Porsche and survival might be important for team points.

Race List = IGOR
Server = UKGPL_T7_2
IP address = 62.149.202.168
Race date = Sunday 01-05-2011
Time = 21:00 UK time (21:00 GMT)
Track = St Jovite http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=121
Race length = 50 minutes (30 laps)
Variant = GT mod
Damage Model = Intermediate (see rules below re resets)
Qualifying time = 35 minutes. Don't start until 30 mins left on clock to allow everyone to join.
Password: see above
Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page

There will be rolling starts for all races with full moderation of both the warm-up and first lap.

Guidelines for rolling starts...

The car on pole will lead off the grid and maintain a steady pace for the 1st lap around 175kph
All drivers should form up in single file behind him leaving 3-4 car lengths between each car.
There is NO OVERTAKING on the 1st lap until the exit of the last corner.
It is the reponsibility of the lead car to ensure that all drivers are with him as he approaches the final corner.
Racing and overtaking begin AFTER the exit of the last corner, so you may overtake between the exit of the last corner and the S/F line.

Any driver who loses his position on the rolling lap, by going off, blowing his engine or through contact with another car ( regardless of fault) must rejoin at the back of the field.
Incidents on the rolling lap ( Lap 1) will be fully modded and anyone found to have caused another competitor to lose position through bad driving will be penalised appropriately.


The teams have been chosen and the cars are polished and ready to go.

TEAMS

RED TEAM          HRISTO ITCHOV,  Evilclive, Paul Badblood  
 Chap 2F / Mirage / Porsche
                                                                
BLUE TEAM        SAMB, Fulvio, Happy Al  
Chap 2F/ Lola/ Mirage

GREEN TEAM     ZACHARIA BLITO, Phil Thornton, Axel Cookie
Chapp 2F/ Ferrari P4 / Mirage

ORANGE TEAM        NIGEL SMITH, Tim FMG,Dave RAndall 
Ferrari P4 / Chapp 2D / Ford GT MK2.

GREY TEAM     Captained by Tim Vosblod who is looking after the part time drivers who cannot be sure to attend every race.

The cars for the Grey team for this season will be
Chapperal 2D
Mirage
Ford GT40 MK1


All drivers must drive all 3 team cars at least 3 times. At the end of the 10 race championship any TEAM found to be in breach of this rule will have its BEST TEAM points result of the season cancelled. Each driver will drop his worst 2 results, in line with the other championships, this gets over the problem of missed races and 2 man teams looking for a sub at the last minute.

The events will be run on Intermediate damage and allow ONE Shift-R with a compulsory 10 second pit stop regardless of fault. (This means 10 seconds in your pitbox without moving). Any driver who fails to take a 10 second stop within 1 lap after a Shift-R, will be disqualified from the results. For this division the full moderation of lap one now applying across all divisions will include both the warm up lap and lap one proper.

Please check the Season 21 pages for details regarding rules and the GT Team Challenge pages in particular.
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« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2011, 11:43:30 PM +0100 »

Since we're going to use rolling starts, I suggest we come up with some basic regulations for the warm up lap to avoid any unnecessary accidents or unhappy faces. Here are a few suggestions and questions:

1) Have a speed limit for the driver on pole, so we don't see a situation I recall from a Monza race not so long ago when the pole sitter (forgot who) drove very quick and started the race with many of us spread out completely. 170-180 km/h seems like a good limit IMO and the driver in pole should also slow down before the end of the warm up lap and check his mirrors to allow everyone to form up properly behind, then drive flat out of the last turn.

2) Are we going to allow passing before the s/f line or not? IMO, especially with the Porsche in mind and the speed difference to other cars, passing should be allowed as soon as we exit the last corner (or in the case of tracks like St. Jovite - the final corner that is not flat out). It would also be safer in case someone messes up for whatever reason, so those behind wouldn't be forced to wait before they pass.

3) Are we doing single file or double file starts?

Sorry if any of that was already decided upon, but I can't see any details in either UKGPL site or the division details page here on the forums.
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« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2011, 01:05:56 AM +0100 »

Hi Clive, I hope you don't mind but I've taken the liberty of re-posting this so it ties in with the corresponding lm2 event. Paul can do that for you next time Wink
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« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2011, 02:15:49 AM +0100 »

Cheers Tim
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« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2011, 10:06:55 AM +0100 »

Thanks Tim,  I dare not put my grubby hands on LM2 given my track record Embarrassed


Ok Hristo.

I have added some guidelines for rolling starts on the main announcement post, generally in line with your views and from what we discovered in the pre season fun races.
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« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2011, 10:21:23 AM +0100 »

Thanks Tim,  I dare not put my grubby hands on LM2 given my track record Embarrassed


Ok Hristo.

I have added some guidelines for rolling starts on the main announcement post, generally in line with your views and from what we discovered in the pre season fun races.

OK, thanks. Check your PM btw!  Smiley

One more thing that pops to mind - if someone makes a mistake on the warm up lap and gets passed, can they return to their initial grid position by passing the cars in front? I'm sure it's going to happen, we actually saw it a couple of times already. Also, any accidental overtaking of a car during the warm up lap shouldn't be a problem if the passing car eases off and goes back to its position, right?
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« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2011, 11:19:20 AM +0100 »

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There is NO OVERTAKING on the 1st lap until the exit of the last corner.

Could I just clarrify please that, following a couple of slow accelarations in the fun season where some drivers thought they could not speed up until the start line, is it ok to overtake prior to the start line should someone mistakely stay slow?  Or indeed is overtaking in general permitted (i.e. race on) from the exit of the final bend on L1 (rolling lap)?
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« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2011, 11:25:26 AM +0100 »

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There is NO OVERTAKING on the 1st lap until the exit of the last corner.

Could I just clarrify please that, following a couple of slow accelarations in the fun season where some drivers thought they could not speed up until the start line, is it ok to overtake prior to the start line should someone mistakely stay slow?  Or indeed is overtaking in general permitted (i.e. race on) from the exit of the final bend on L1 (rolling lap)?

Evil has explained that:

"Racing and overtaking begin AFTER the exit of the last corner, so you may overtake between the exit of the last corner and the S/F line."

What he means by lap 1 should maybe be edited to say warm up/rolling lap, to avoid confusion.
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« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2011, 01:48:02 PM +0100 »

Thanks Tim,  I dare not put my grubby hands on LM2 given my track record Embarrassed


Ok Hristo.

I have added some guidelines for rolling starts on the main announcement post, generally in line with your views and from what we discovered in the pre season fun races.

OK, thanks. Check your PM btw!  Smiley

One more thing that pops to mind - if someone makes a mistake on the warm up lap and gets passed, can they return to their initial grid position by passing the cars in front? I'm sure it's going to happen, we actually saw it a couple of times already. Also, any accidental overtaking of a car during the warm up lap shouldn't be a problem if the passing car eases off and goes back to its position, right?

I would say the fair and easy thing to do would be to let the person who spun back into the field at the position at which they can rejoin after they spun. You could also say that the person who spun at the warm up lap has to start from the back. Being able to find your initial grid position back after a spin is very hard, so that doesn't sound like a good idea to me.

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« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2011, 02:10:18 PM +0100 »

As a less seasoned driver, the thing that was hard about rolling starts was uneven pace. If the leader would set a steady pace and stick to it then nobody should spin. No point zooming away from ascari at 200 mph and then brake testing everybody into parabolica! The rolling lap is meant to avoid incidents, not cause them.
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« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2011, 02:29:45 PM +0100 »

As a less seasoned driver, the thing that was hard about rolling starts was uneven pace. If the leader would set a steady pace and stick to it then nobody should spin. No point zooming away from ascari at 200 mph and then brake testing everybody into parabolica! The rolling lap is meant to avoid incidents, not cause them.

I think I have led two warm up laps in the rolling starts we had in the test season and I always kept a steady pace in those. Despite that, there were a lot of offs and incidents on both of those warm up laps, so you can't say it's the leader's fault.  Wink

IMO, some people just got/get too excited and push their cars too much instead of simply cruising in a higher gear at low revs and maintain the gap between the car in front while avoiding sudden changes of speed so the car behind is not caught out by surprise.
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« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2011, 02:35:32 PM +0100 »

I think the leader should do a constant pace of max 100mph if possible.

The ones that spin out by own fault should keep their position where they rejoin,
being innocent bumped out I should be allowed to regain my grid position.


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« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2011, 03:00:01 PM +0100 »

I think the leader should do a constant pace of max 100mph if possible.

The ones that spin out by own fault should keep their position where they rejoin,
being innocent bumped out I should be allowed to regain my grid position.




Yes, that should work best, although if someone sees someone else going for a pass and does not know that it's a driver who is trying to regain a position, they made react aggressively and block/battle the driver. Perhaps whatever happens, just stick to wherever you return in the grid.

As for the leader, constant speed aside, it's important that he doesn't just drive blindly into the distance buy keep an eye on the cars behind and make sure they're well positioned before the last corner, to avoid gaining any unfair advantage.
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« Reply #13 on: April 28, 2011, 03:58:29 PM +0100 »

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There is NO OVERTAKING on the 1st lap until the exit of the last corner.

Could I just clarrify please that, following a couple of slow accelarations in the fun season where some drivers thought they could not speed up until the start line, is it ok to overtake prior to the start line should someone mistakely stay slow?  Or indeed is overtaking in general permitted (i.e. race on) from the exit of the final bend on L1 (rolling lap)?

Evil has explained that:

"Racing and overtaking begin AFTER the exit of the last corner, so you may overtake between the exit of the last corner and the S/F line."

What he means by lap 1 should maybe be edited to say warm up/rolling lap, to avoid confusion.

Opps, yes so he did.

No confusion as to what 1st lap means.  I think I can figure that bit out.
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« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2011, 04:07:10 PM +0100 »

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There is NO OVERTAKING on the 1st lap until the exit of the last corner.

Could I just clarrify please that, following a couple of slow accelarations in the fun season where some drivers thought they could not speed up until the start line, is it ok to overtake prior to the start line should someone mistakely stay slow?  Or indeed is overtaking in general permitted (i.e. race on) from the exit of the final bend on L1 (rolling lap)?

Evil has explained that:

"Racing and overtaking begin AFTER the exit of the last corner, so you may overtake between the exit of the last corner and the S/F line."

What he means by lap 1 should maybe be edited to say warm up/rolling lap, to avoid confusion.

Opps, yes so he did.

No confusion as to what 1st lap means.  I think I can figure that bit out.


Yeah, I didn't mean you, but just anyone who might be confused by it.
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