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May 03, 2011, 09:43:25 PM +0100 - Monaco (1929-71) - UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Novices (65)
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Cookie
 
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 1 1:30.731
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1 40:27.497
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26 1:31.375
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Dunlop  
francesco
 Antipasti Racing
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 11 +2.652
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2 +47.952
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26 1:32.997
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Dunlop  
JonnyO
 Team Coyote
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 4 +0.997
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3 +54.401
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26 1:32.396
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Dunlop  
happyal
 Clark-Hill Racing
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 0 +2.314
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4 +1:09.703
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26 1:33.464
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Dunlop  
karlisss
 
Honda RA272 F1 1965 2 +0.378
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5 (+5) +1:18.146
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26 1:31.186
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Goodyear  
Billy Nobrakes
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 10 +2.462
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6 +1L
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25 ---
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Goodyear  
NHance
 Mountside Racing
Brabham BT7 (Climax) F1 1965 6 +1.699
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7 +2.711
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25 1:32.240
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Dunlop  
roguk
 Clark-Hill Racing
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 7 +1.946
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8 +10.011
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25 1:32.809
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Dunlop  
economia
 
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 14 +5.793
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9 +19.700
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25 1:33.485
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Dunlop  
Nigel Smith
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA272 F1 1965 8 +2.304
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10 +1:03.634
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25 1:34.153
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Goodyear  
BadBlood
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA272 F1 1965 13 +4.912
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11 +3L
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23 1:37.430
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Goodyear  
blito
 Nessuna Speranza
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 5 +1.518
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12 (+1) +7L
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19 1:33.595
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Dunlop  
maddog
 Antipasti Racing
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 3 +0.743
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13 +9L
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17 1:31.347
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Dunlop  
il_lupo_mannaro
 Black Night Racing
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 12 +4.512
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14 (+2) +10L
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16 1:34.140
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Dunlop  
blito
 Nessuna Speranza
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 15 DNS ---
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Goodyear  
maddog
 Antipasti Racing
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 16 ---
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Dunlop  
5 UKGPL.65
 
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 17 ---
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Dunlop  

Moderator's Report

A debut for Monaco in the Novices, and a debut for several new UKGPL drivers.

The peace and quiet of Monaco lasted little more than a minute when the first slow corners heralded the first of several pile ups on this tight street circuit.

During this race there were a lot of warp related incidents as the server settings were not correct. There was also a re-occurence of the red tyres on Billy's car that we saw last season at Kyalami.

Because of this, there were a lot of reported incidents for near misses, small touches and odd car behaviour.

Where I have not mentioned a reported incident it has been put down to warp and will not be penalised. Where there is an incident where cars do touch, but may not have done had the server settings been correct, it has also been put down to warp and will not be penalised.

The server settings have now been changed and future races should be a lot more stable.

Only time will tell if the moderators will allow the Novices loose on such a tight circuit again.


Server replay time: 0h01m01s

Billy is dropped by the server and re-appears taking out Economia

Warp Incident

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h01m34s

Billy is warping badly and makes contact with Fabio at Mirabeau but it is warp affected and he had slowed down to avoid him.

Warp Incident

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h01m38s

Fabio tries to pass NHance on the inside of Virage De La Gare where there is no gap and the two make contact throwing NHance into the bales.

This follows the mayhem of a few seconds earlier and it is not clear whether it is an overtake attempt or not. Either way, Fabio is at fault and hits Norm, but I have mitigated the extra place penalty for a lap 1 incident in view of the confusion, mayhem and server mishaps.


Server replay time: 0h03m36s

NHance follows Billy through Virage De La Gare and taps him.
Both continue unaffected.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h03m40s

Karliss spins at tabac and is blocking the track.
He cannot see what is coming as he tries to get going again.
He should have moved forwards and to the right, away from the racing line, even taking a couple of short reverses if necessary.
Instead he moves forward and to the left which puts him on the racing line and heading towards oncoming traffic that cannot see him around a blind bend.
Jonny O slows to avoid him but cannot and is in turn hit by Blito.


Server replay time: 0h06m30s

Nigel nearly stops in time to avoid Fabio at Mirabeau, Fabio then rear ends Nigel at Virage De La Gare.

Fabio seems to lose control but makes no discernible contact.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h07m04s

Nigel Smith spins at the chicane.
Economia is following him and slows then takes avoiding action which sends him out of control and into Fabios path.
Nigel recovers and drives away but Fabio is out of control and ends up in front of him giving him nowhere to go.
Fabio can see the incident developing ahead of him as he exits the chicane but there are no yellow flags and he keeps accelerating until it is too late.
If Economia had not lost control Fabio may have got through cleanly but he should have taken more care approaching the incident.


Server replay time: 0h10m46s

Blito rear ends AlBaldwin under braking for Massenet. He had followed him for several laps leading up to the incident.
Al brakes marginally earlier than on the previous laps but only by a few feet.
Blito brakes later than on the previous laps and hits him.


Server replay time: 0h10m58s

BadBlood loses control at Gazometres and is warping badly as Economia tries to pass slowly but makes warp contact.

Warp Incident

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h14m35s

Martin is approaching Gazometres and sees no yellow flags to tell him that Fabio is blocking the track.
He tries to avoid him but has nowhere to go.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h17m27s

Jonny O is lapping BadBlood at Virage De La Gare and BadBlood spins.
The server shows no contact and the Honda's reaction suggests warp.

Warp Incident

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h18m05s

BadBlood had a novel way of letting Blito lap him.

I don't think it will catch on.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h20m28s

Norm loses control into Gazometres and is being hotly pursued by Karliss who also slides out of control. The 2 come to rest near the barrier and Karliss is able to continue but Norm also moves away and just touches him.

Both continue unaffected.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h36m11s

Billy is being followed into Gazometres by Karliss who is much later on the brakes, but Billy has won the corner easily.

Billy seems to take a wide line and Karliss tries to take advantage but there is not enough room and he has no overlap.

Karliss should have conceded the corner but touches Billy and spins him.


Server replay time: 0h38m28s

RogUK taps Billy going into Mirabeau and waits for him.
This causes some congestion and confusion in a tight part of the track and causes RogUK to collide with BadBlood at Virage De La Gare.

RogUK should have continued rather than wait on track for some people to pass but not others.

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« Reply #15 on: May 03, 2011, 07:48:18 PM +0100 »

Paul - if you`re online now get yerself to Igor and I`ll try to help .. I`m doing 1:32s here.
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« Reply #16 on: May 03, 2011, 08:34:23 PM +0100 »

"Will Karliss keep his Australian speed?"
i think no, cos cant do under 1:30.8 on empty track, but in race will be traffics
i really hope that Monaco could be the track, that is used in every season.
its to great to through away.
maybe we can switch for the future Sierra Monaco with edited Monacini, witch is more real, and chicane is like in old movies, real chicane, not flatout
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« Reply #17 on: May 03, 2011, 10:23:42 PM +0100 »

Oh dear... 3rd race in a row with hardware problems.... Broadband related again! Tomorrow those nice people at Orange will get a crappy phone call to get it sorted!!!!
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« Reply #18 on: May 03, 2011, 11:06:00 PM +0100 »

2 1/2 hours since my last post, and first of all i want to appologize for that stupid wreck in lap3.
there is no alibi for me (or how to say in english) for that.
i think i was quite fast, but consistance is bad for me. i cant be fast + consistant... so more practice and expieriance needed for me to win a race.
so after loosing my P3, i felt back to P13,
many laps behind slower cars and one disco car, and only thing is i can do is watching pribluda, how leaders run away, not because they are much faster, but because you are stuck between monaco guardriles lol
somehow i climbed during a race up to P5, witch after such training and practising effort seems as worst place and worst race i ever gained.
fighting for P5 wasnt what i dremt about before race and especialy after Qual, where i managed P3
(of corse there are a LUCK FACTOR that i was at all in P5.. cos it could remain P8)
i know there are many PP for me from last year, so if i must do some ban from next race , then ok.
(maybe not from next one, cos it is Watkins "king of GPL rookies")
but yes, referee, you got the point
 hang
anyway thanks for race and was real fun,one of my favorite tracks in every sim. There is no street track witch comes close to Monaco!
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« Reply #19 on: May 03, 2011, 11:25:39 PM +0100 »

Well - my first Monaco race - I was dreading it.

After avoiding some of the crashes and making a good start battled my way up to eighth. Then I lost it at the last turn and clipped the center barrier - crash, upside down. Shift-R required - had to wait until everybody was past. <sigh>. No way back. People were lapping me now and I concentrated on being a good citizen. I put in some solid laps and generally I was pleased with how it went. 10th and I might gain a place or two for keeping my nose clean.

LOTS of incidents. Who is modding this one? Sad

Pleased with qually. Managed a sub-1:36 which was nearly a 5 sec improvement on my PB. 1:37 was best in the race but I don't think I disgraced myself and unlike Zaandvoort and Castle Combe last year I wasn't too freaked by all the people passing me. Bloody hard though with walls of sound all around to see if someone was coming. Let lots of people past at Casino (Thanks Billy for that tip) and hopefully stayed out of the way mostly. Sorry if I held anyone up.

Nice start to the season. Was surprised how much I enjoyed it.
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« Reply #20 on: May 03, 2011, 11:38:30 PM +0100 »

Results Imported, and for those new to UKGPL, they are provisional until the race results have been moderated.

if you were involved in any incidents during the race, you now need to click on the "Submit an Incident Report" link at the top of the page and describe the time of the incident and what happened.

it may also help if you attach a clip of your replay if the incident involved warp.
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« Reply #21 on: May 04, 2011, 12:34:24 AM +0100 »

 Grin WOW  MONACO  Grin

My third ever race in a 65, and my first race here in Monaco with real people  Roll Eyes

Was great fun, but sorry for Martin who was  lost after 17 laps of giving me fire! So I dedicate this win to him who has pushed me all the practice sessions to my borders.
Wasn't easy to learn a car with no really fitting setup. So I made a great effort last afternoon to get it my way.
With a good start I could manage to stay in front the whole race, except the only mistake I made when Martin could pass me.
Thanks to all the drivers who let me pass with no problems!
Never saw so much and strange warping in a race, often it was pure luck not to crash...
I had no technical or connection problems at all.

Thanx
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« Reply #22 on: May 04, 2011, 06:48:36 AM +0100 »

At least I wasn't the only one warping around then.... BTW check out my fastest race lap - 0.083s!! That has to be a new WR!!
You may all have noticed me connecting and disconnecting at the start of qually. I had a weird problem with the graphics for the bt11 that I had planned to race. The steering wheel gfx had been replaced by a car skin!! A perfect wheel sized "flattened out" modders car skin!!! I've never seen anything like it.. So, as a result I had to revert to using the BRM.
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« Reply #23 on: May 04, 2011, 10:58:00 AM +0100 »

Courtesy of JR Jason....steering wheel fix for the BT11.
Geoff.

http://clarkhillracing.freeforums.org/bt11-wheel-fix-t329.html
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« Reply #24 on: May 04, 2011, 11:38:35 AM +0100 »

Best wishes to Bookie. Well done the podium boys who are all new to novices. Thats enough thank you Grin

This was a nice tight track to debut my BT7 after a voluntary change from BT11. Like most I had a bit of crash & bash but amazingly the car kept going ok. Found it difficult to get a clear run in qually but was happy with the time & also a fair race result. Overall I really enjoyed it. I can't download the replay at present so don't know about penalties. Yes there was a lot of warping with cars disappearing quite often.

Two things to mention:- Firstly well done my mate Clutch on 3rd in the Pro Class. Secondly thanks to Roguk for the gearing set up. Well he didn't exactly give me it. I had a one to one race with him on the server a few nights ago when he beat me easily. I recorded it & the replay showed he was using 1st to 4th much lower than me. I made adjustments to use the gears more or less as he did & the result was half a second off my pb. Its that sort of co-operation that makes UKGPL special. Nice one Wink
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« Reply #25 on: May 04, 2011, 12:39:52 PM +0100 »


My race started, a hundred miles from where it finished.  I am in the midst of changing my home base, from London, to the South coast of England. 

So, with race time in mind, and in a fully loaded transporter, I set off through London on a cross-city route, which should've been quicker than motorwaying it.  Except, with half the traveling population in agreement, this was not the case.  Arriving with barely enough time to unload and setup, I was in serious need of some on-line therapy.

Quickly bolting some bits together, I hooked into the land line, crossed my fingers, and fired it all up.  It ran first time!  So jumped onto the track with 20 mins. of practice time to play with.  Noticed fairly quickly, that half my controls, and sound were not working.  Grumble!  So, with just 10 minutes to saunter around the South of France, I somehow managed to find the track again, and entered some much needed open road, to set 4th fastest laptime. laugh

Managed to jump to 2nd off the line, from amidst the swathe of new names, and attached myself firmly to Cookies tail.   From the way his car jumped nervously, every time I came close, it was obvious the new connection, was less than ideal.  My only chance to lead, would be a mistake and enough room, to safely make the move.  And after a number of laps it happened - I took the lead approaching The Tabac.  Up ahead, 'Il Lupi' had spun at the Gasworks, and as I rounded the curve, he backed his car across my path, and catapulted my car towards the bay.  I'd lead for all of 10 seconds! Angry

Fabio - 6 months ago you were a good driver.  I hope you are not now a backwards driver!

After a stop and go, I resigned myself to a shadowing role in 2nd.  But fate decreed the warping would become suddenly worse.  After only a distant glimpse of a BRM, we collided, and I quickly bailed out of the cockpit, before more harm could be done.  A disappointing end to an enterprising race.

A very impressive Cookie, and a great first drive from teammate Francesco, to grab a 2nd.  With an apology to any hapless victims, of my surprise visit.  The standard would seem to have been raised for Season 21, and I'll need to do my homework before the next round, to see if I still have the wherewithall to race.  :'(
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« Reply #26 on: May 04, 2011, 12:57:33 PM +0100 »

OK, an update to the connection woes that have befallen me...
A quick call to the orange disconnection team revealed that they have been migrating customers on to the WBC network which is shared with BT and is apparantly over-subscribed already! Also, I found out that my package should have been reduced by £5 per month when they offered to renew the contract but failed to make the arrangements! Oh, and they forgot to mention that the VoIP system from the old package wasnt in the new one either... After 7 months of this I feel totally screwed by them and as a result told them to politely go and f**k themselves. I have cancelled the direct debits to them and have registered the complaint with offcom. All of which is going down on in ink to the head of orange support once i've calmed down enough to make it literate!

Thanks for the BT11 update - what exactly am I supposed to do with it?
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« Reply #27 on: May 04, 2011, 07:30:46 PM +0100 »

I hope Francesco's and Blito's SROU records are going to be erased!  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #28 on: May 04, 2011, 07:58:01 PM +0100 »

My comment is very simple: first I don't like Monaco track at all and last, but not least, I think it isn't a good choice to start a racing season, when everybody has a high testosterone level...

OK, I have a few more things to say:

1) in qualify I was ~3 second slower than my pb Huh
2) at the green flag I started very carefully to avoid any collisions and I was stripped by Paul Shocked
3) I was involved in several crashes because of someone else's mistakes
4) at least twice, when carefully managing to get back on track after a spin, I collided wih someone: but it wasn't really possible to see him coming while there should have been waving yellow flags!
5) in the end I got disconnected, and that made angry more than the track itself Angry

Looking forward to the Glen, one of my favourite tracks!

Grats to the winner, the podium and everybody raced.

A special thanks to race organization and to Francesco and Jason for their stunning world records!! Wink
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« Reply #29 on: May 04, 2011, 08:12:41 PM +0100 »

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and to Francesco and Jason for their stunning world records!!
As explained over,is not my record.I don't know from where come this time,i'm not so fast!
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