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  • S21GrW Monaco: May 08, 2011
May 08, 2011, 10:45:26 PM +0100 - Monaco (1929-71) - UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Works (67)
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Will Tway
 Antipasti Racing
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 5 +2.654
79.399mph
1 51:27.267
77.500mph
34 1:28.563
79.459mph
Firestone  
fpolicardi
 Team7
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 9 +4.212
78.028mph
2 +9.088
77.273mph
34 1:28.973
79.093mph
Firestone  
Rick Nauman
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 3 +1.517
80.431mph
3 +1L
74.908mph
33 1:30.990
77.340mph
Goodyear  
Baab
 
BRM P115 F1 1967 7 +2.860
79.215mph
4 +16L
75.178mph
18 1:28.855
79.198mph
accident
Goodyear  
Tom van Ostade
 Antipasti Racing
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 1 1:25.976
81.850mph
5 +18L
80.442mph
16 1:26.740
81.129mph
Disco
Firestone  
EvilClive
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 6 +2.825
79.246mph
6 +1:02.872
76.984mph
16 1:28.924
79.137mph
Disco
Firestone  
FullMetalGasket
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 2 +0.849
81.050mph
7 +20L
80.332mph
14 1:26.719
81.149mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Turkey Machine
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 12 8 (+3) +22L
77.454mph
12 1:28.802
79.246mph
accident
Firestone  
ivandjj
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 8 +3.416
78.722mph
9 +29L
74.777mph
5 1:30.562
77.705mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Arf Arf Arf
 
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 4 +2.497
79.540mph
10 +34L
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Disco
Firestone  
john roberts
 
BRM P115 F1 1967 10 +7.097
75.609mph
11
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Disco
Goodyear  
Rick Nauman
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 12 DNS ---
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Goodyear  
Gpg UKGPL
 
Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 11 13 ---
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Firestone  

Moderator's Report

A full review of lap one has thrown up a few incidents below. We don't penalise for a straight forward loss of control but all drivers should remember to be extra cautious on lap one due to the amount of traffic and the fact they have cold tyres.
No reported incidents for this race.


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On the start grid Jethro is in last place. He sits on the grid with his wheel locked right then takes off rapidly whilst moving to the right. Meanwhile Ivan is having a slow start with John cautiously looking to go round him. Jethro clips John spinning him.
Therefore it appears Jethro had every intention of trying a pass up the inside straight off the line. Our Racing Etiquette has this;
When starting, each driver must make sure they keep their car straight and fully in control.
Drivers must remember that their tyres are cold on lap 1. They should not attempt any overtaking moves unless they are sure it is safe to do so.
Any driver who, by not complying with the above rules, causes another car to crash or take severe avoiding action may be penalised.

Whilst not having a perfect rule to fit this we do have;
Blatant Side by Side contact: Penalty 2 Places
On a straight, the overtaking car moves out to overtake but cuts back in too early. The victim made no mistakes and was driving their normal line at normal speed. The shunter made no allowance for the victim whatsoever and was in full control when the incident took place. There was no loss of control. Penalty for overtaking driver.

Jethro should have been far more cautious and not attempted to gain places in that manner from the start line.


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Rick loses control of his car going into the corner causing a concertina pile-up which includes Evil, Bob and Will. All drivers did their best to avoid it.
This is classed as a racing incident but it is a reminder to be aware you are running on cold tyres and be extra cautious on lap one.

  • Rick Naumanadvice — Take extra care on lap one


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Arf loses control in the corner.
He does the right thing and stays still to let others by, no one is affected.

  • Racing incident


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Bob loses control a bit behind Arf but it doesn't appear to be due to Arf's incident. Jethro is held up slightly but otherwise there is no knock-on effect.

  • Racing incident

May 09, 2011, 09:04:06 AM +0100 - Monaco (1929-71) - UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Privateers (67)
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
maddog
 Antipasti Racing
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 1 1:29.304
78.770mph
1 51:56.604
76.741mph
34 1:28.841
79.181mph
Firestone  
Ronniepeterson
 
BRM P115 F1 1967 2 +0.388
78.429mph
2 +1:08.131
75.100mph
34 1:30.239
77.954mph
Goodyear  
b_1_rd
 Clark-Hill Racing
BRM P115 F1 1967 4 +1.494
77.474mph
3 +1:08.945
75.080mph
34 1:29.796
78.338mph
Goodyear  
miner2049er
 Clark-Hill Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 5 +1.626
77.362mph
4 +1L
73.132mph
33 1:30.252
77.943mph
Goodyear  
il_lupo_mannaro
 Black Night Racing
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 8 +4.534
74.964mph
5 +25.467
72.550mph
33 1:32.465
76.077mph
Firestone  
Billy Nobrakes
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 9 +5.775
73.986mph
6 +2L
71.163mph
32 1:33.939
74.884mph
Goodyear  
Nigel Smith
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 10 +8.388
72.007mph
7 +4.876
71.054mph
32 1:33.730
75.050mph
Firestone  
s2173
 
Honda RA300 F1 1967 11 +9.297
71.343mph
8 (+2) +19L
67.878mph
15 1:35.874
73.372mph
Disco
Firestone  
bernie
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 3 +1.172
77.750mph
9 +23L
73.428mph
11 1:31.138
77.185mph
Disco
Firestone  
hannah
 
Honda RA300 F1 1967 12 +9.511
71.188mph
10 +24L
60.126mph
10 1:41.900
69.033mph
Disco
Firestone  
happyal
 Clark-Hill Racing
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 7 +3.199
76.046mph
11 (+3) +25L
68.018mph
9 1:33.765
75.022mph
Disco
Firestone  
vosblod
 Clark-Hill Racing
BRM P115 F1 1967 15 12 +33L
56.292mph
1 1:56.814
60.220mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Michael Turner
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 6 +3.186
76.057mph
13 +34L
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Disco
Firestone  
blito
 Nessuna Speranza
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 13 +11.665
69.670mph
14
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0 ---
---
Disco
Firestone  
bernie
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 15 DNS ---
---
Firestone  
2 UKGPL_T7
 
Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 14 16 ---
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Firestone  

Moderator's Report

As regards the full lap one review similar comments to the Works race apply ie we don't penalise for a straight forward loss of control but all drivers should remember to be extra cautious on lap one due to the amount of traffic and the fact they have cold tyres. There were three major pile-ups on the first lap, two of which can be put down to a loss of control.
There were, unsurprisingly, quite a few resets in this race but pleased to report everyone complied with the stop and go / one reset only rules.
One general comment. Time and again, where a rear end collision is involved, we see the explanation being "the driver in front braked earlier then I expected". To quote the GPL Recommended Driver Behaviour; "If you are behind then you have the responsibility to drive in a manner that will not lead to you running into a car ahead. It is your responsibility not to run into the car in front of you. Even if their braking zones occur earlier than yours would normally, then tough luck. You have to anticipate these possibilities and drive accordingly." That is not to say we allow a carte blanche of erratic or dangerous driving but the only time this excuse could apply is if the car in front really does do something that could not be expected. If you haven't followed them for a lap or two how do you know where their normal brake point is? You can't assume it's the same as your own. Common sense applies but the onus is very much on the following driver and our rules reflect this.
Finally, an incident below highlights the dangers of not exiting a race immediately when you cannot continue. It is highly dangerous for others to sit sprawled across the track so please exit in a timely fashion.


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Mike T loses control off the line. A good opportunity to quote our etiquette; "When starting, each driver must make sure they keep their car straight and fully in control."
The swerving causes an unavoidable touch from Fabio which compounds Mike's predicament. Mike did the right thing and waited for the field to pass, no one had to reset.


  • Michael Turneradvice — Take care to stay in control at the start


Server replay time: 0h01m21s

Fabio loses control. He does the right thing and waits for the track to clear.
As a knock-on effect Sky hits Nigel, normally a Rear End Shunt but it was primarily due to the field suddenly slowing and the drivers vision of the incident being obscure.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h01m33s

Al B hits Mike in the rear, simples. It can't be said Mike braked unexpectedly as it was the first lap and you have to expect the unexpected. In the consequent furore Billy can't avoid hitting Al.

Accordingly the rules have this;
Blatant Rear End Shunt: Penalty 2 Places
The victim made no mistakes and was driving their normal line at normal speed. The shunter made no allowance for the victim whatsoever. The shunter was in full control.


Server replay time: 0h01m43s

Bernie loses control and consequently Steve has to slow but no other ill effects and no contact.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h01m57s

As a consequence of the above incident Mike (miner) takes a Shift/R. Unfortunately he respawns directly into traffic with a consequent pile-up involving Mike T, Fabio and Al B.
This falls under Bad Shift R territory. Factors to consider as regards a penalty are;
Did the driver manoeuvre his damaged car to a place where he knew his car would respawn off the racing line?
Did the driver wait until he was sure there were no approaching cars before he took a shift R?

Yes he did wait but no he couldn't actually avoid respawning onto the line. There are two options here;

Simple Bad Shift R: Penalty 2 Places
The resetting driver DID consider where his car would respawn but was unaware of any other cars (couldn't see or hear, or expect another car to be near). Contact was made because other drivers had no chance of avoiding the respawned car.

Unfortunate Bad Shift R: Racing Incident
The resetting driver had no choice. The most likely scenario for this incident is a mass crash at turn 1 on lap 1 where respawned cars are likely to be hit.

It raises the question as to whether a driver should consider retirement as an option when there is no choice but to reset on the line. I think that would be slightly harsh. Mike did all he could under the circumstances by waiting and GPL let him respawn into traffic. It would seem highly unfair to penalise someone for actually doing the right thing under the circumstances, what he did was neither deliberate or careless and the result was just unfortunate. Accordingly 'Unfortunate Bad Shift R' is the only appropriate option, Mike did all he could to make sure it was safe and we can't ask for more then that.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h02m59s

Sky hits Hannah in the rear. Again pretty clear cut, from checking others at that point Hannah wasn't particularly slow, if anything Sky was going a lot faster then other drivers normally did here.

Accordingly the rules have this;
Blatant Rear End Shunt: Penalty 2 Places
The victim made no mistakes and was driving their normal line at normal speed. The shunter made no allowance for the victim whatsoever. The shunter was in full control.


Server replay time: 0h13m59s

Martin hits Hannah whilst attempting to lap.
This is a classic scenario; Hannah moves to let Martin through at the same time as Martin goes to overtake expecting Hannah to stay on the racing line.
The problem here is there was a lack of understanding and it was primarily on Hannah's side. Going towards the corner H did not make it clear what he was doing. Of a lesser evil Martin could see Hannah was wavering and was not directly under pressure so perhaps could have held back.
This is swings and roundabouts so, under the circumstances, it will fall under a racing incident.


Server replay time: 0h20m27s

Hannah loses control and Billy cannot avoid a collision.
This is a racing incident however, of more concern, is the fact that Hannah sat on track upturned in a dangerous position for approximately 30 seconds.
Having taken a reset already there were no other options but to leave the race and he should of immediately exited rather then causing a potential danger to other drivers still racing.

I do not know the exact circumstances and it may be Hannah was having difficulties hitting 'esc' as sometimes happens.

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« Reply #30 on: May 13, 2011, 09:39:53 AM +0100 »

my DISCO  was down to a fault with the ISP, nothing to do with gpl at all.
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« Reply #31 on: May 13, 2011, 10:04:55 AM +0100 »

there were over 50% discos in both races. does monaco rocks have anything to do with it? i guess ukgpl must have much lower disco rates on average?

anyway, i'm trying to find out if my present connection is too slow for gpl. and after so many discos here i'm confused again, is it my connection or monaco rocks. according to test my download speed is 4 mbps and upload 0,26 mbps, does anyone know if thats too slow for gpl or gplps installer updated gpl?
Your bandwith is good, I used a Modem at 33k till 2003 without many problems. The issue is if you have a stable connection without loss of packets.
Anyway not always reported Disco where actually Disco. I know Tom had a pc freeze, Evil and FMG crashed.
Ciao

thx, i'll test connection stabilty at home.
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« Reply #32 on: May 13, 2011, 11:10:32 AM +0100 »

there were over 50% discos in both races. does monaco rocks have anything to do with it? i guess ukgpl must have much lower disco rates on average?
As Fulvio says take what the race result shows with a pinch of salt.
LM2 pulls the retirement reasons from the html report and the html isn't always that accurate.
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« Reply #33 on: May 13, 2011, 11:55:10 AM +0100 »

there were over 50% discos in both races. does monaco rocks have anything to do with it? i guess ukgpl must have much lower disco rates on average?
As Fulvio says take what the race result shows with a pinch of salt.
LM2 pulls the retirement reasons from the html report and the html isn't always that accurate.
Probably if someone leave the server before the end of the race, he is marked as disco.
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« Reply #34 on: May 13, 2011, 12:14:18 PM +0100 »

there were over 50% discos in both races. does monaco rocks have anything to do with it? i guess ukgpl must have much lower disco rates on average?
As Fulvio says take what the race result shows with a pinch of salt.
LM2 pulls the retirement reasons from the html report and the html isn't always that accurate.
Probably if someone leave the server before the end of the race, he is marked as disco.

you have couple non finishers noted as accident, thats why i believed the report. whatever, conclusion is that my connection is questionable, not addons such as monaco rocks.
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« Reply #35 on: May 13, 2011, 12:34:02 PM +0100 »

In my experience GPL often reports random reasons for someone's retirement, so don't pay attention to it at all.
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« Reply #36 on: May 13, 2011, 02:57:06 PM +0100 »

Ivan, there is only one sure way to cure your disco problem...........

JOIN THE ANTIPASTI TEAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

VIVA TEAM ANTIPASTI.

Was Monaco a fluke...Huh.......HELL NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cheers,

Will
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« Reply #37 on: May 13, 2011, 03:30:37 PM +0100 »

Step off your cloud, Will.  Cheesy
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« Reply #38 on: May 13, 2011, 03:55:56 PM +0100 »

OK, I'm off.  Wink

Back to the middle of the pack I go........
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« Reply #39 on: May 13, 2011, 04:06:03 PM +0100 »

Step off your cloud, Will.  Cheesy
Ah, but you may not be aware of the English expression, "Where there's a will, there's a way."  As an Antipasti team member, I am of course, totally unbiased in such matters. angel
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« Reply #40 on: May 13, 2011, 04:47:53 PM +0100 »

Well, I DO believe Will has the potential to fight for the top spot, but it was more related to the teams competition.  Smiley Of course, my opinion is unbiased as well!  Grin
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« Reply #41 on: May 13, 2011, 05:31:52 PM +0100 »

LMAO
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« Reply #42 on: May 19, 2011, 12:26:19 AM +0100 »

Moderation now published.
A big reminder to never give out the race password in general chat. If someone, who you know is registered, asks please do it via private chat in IGOR.
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« Reply #43 on: May 19, 2011, 01:30:47 PM +0100 »

Hands up for that one, I hadn't seen that particular rule so it didn't hold in my head. *looks shifty*

Also, would Monaco's front stretch be considered a curve, since it does have a radius?
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« Reply #44 on: May 19, 2011, 01:41:18 PM +0100 »

Also, would Monaco's front stretch be considered a curve, since it does have a radius?

If it is considered a curve, it's actually 2 or even 3 separate curves.  Grin
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